posted November 03, 2010 08:27 PM         

The Page of Pentacles in the Druidcraft is my favourite of them all, but I love the way the Page of Wands had me passing her by, because her energy jumps off the page - I mistook her for an adult, when I was trying to weed out the pages/princesses. I can see how I embody them all, at different times, but the Princess of Pents has been 'my' Princess from the DC, even since she showed up over and over for me, when I started to study the deck.

DC Princess of Wands
DC Princess of Pentacles

posted November 03, 2010 08:37 PM         

And this I think, MVM is what you will resonate with, Liz Greene in Astrology for Lovers talks about what she thinks is the true nature of Virgo. She reckons that Virgos choose life's experiences from ideally their own place of completeness ie. they seek to 'find themselves' on their own terms than through relationships that seek to destroy or rule him. Often, she says, for many Virgos, this will necessitate them living alone for a period of time because something drives them to learn to be themself and love their own company before they can allow another person to be their self. Hence, the compulsive self perfecting to discover 'who I am' and essentially The Chariot - the goal of self mastery, through the previous discriminating in making choices (The Lovers).

The alone time certainly ties in with the Hermit.

In the Motherpeace Tarot, the Hermit is called the Crone and is identified with the Greek Goddess Hekate. She aligns herself with wisdom and needs simplicity and quiet to make a truthful choice. I think this is still Capricorn, aged earth wisdom.

The Lovers in the Motherpeace Tarot can be associated with the uniting of parts, finding completeness, either the parts of self or uniting with others.

I know what you mean about Page of Pentacles - ho-hum. In the Motherpeace set, she is the daughter of discs. 'She stands in a place of power by the sipapuni (Hopi word) or birth hole. She rests her medicine pipe in the sacred circle. Behind her is her house in a cave. The sun has set, and the full moon rises and reflects in her obsidian mirror.' According to this deck, she seeks a kind of knowledge that is based in the truth that comes through her body. There now do you prefer that version, MVM?

Funnily enough, as I was writing/transcribing that, I was reminded of a dream I had on waking this morning. I dreamt of an elderly Irish woman at work writing on a couple of items, including a cross word puzzle book - the words, in her scrawly hand, 'Circ child of light' but all the words were connected without much of a space. Well, I am used to these things now and half conscious, I explored this idea. I had the idea that she was harbouring a secret about a child, a son. I saw that she had once received very bad news about her husband not returning or not coming back for some reason and then she soon after throttled her baby son, I also dreamed of twin girls swimming in a pool of water. I can't at this point connect the two but may do with more thought. Often those dreams point to things I will discover through the day or to what have meaning for the day.

In a book I was reading about an hour ago, I was reading what it said about The Hermit. It said, 'Jung has said: "Isolation by a secret results as a rule in an animation of the psychic atmosphere, as a substitute for loss of contact with other people. It causes an activation of the unconscious and this produces something similar to the illusions and halluciantions that beset lonely wanderers in the desert, seafarers, and saints...As a substitute for the normal animation of the environment, an illusory reality rises up in which weird ghostly shadows flit about in place of people."

The elderly Irish Catholic woman is a resident at my work. I would never bring up such a dream particularly with the inference present in it. She has some degree of a type of dementia and has been fond of the drink during her life. I wonder if this happened to her.

Anyway, 'Circ child of light' I'm not entirely sure what this means yet but will ponder if further. I took Circ to mean circle or circular I guess. Anyhow, I thought of it again when I transcribed from the Motherpeace (aptly named for this dream) deck, for daughter of discs in one of the paragraphs above.

teasel, the Pagan deck image sounds interesting - I love tarot decks and they mostly all have their value, I believe. Yes often she the page is known as the princess in various decks, isn't it.

Bene, interestingly, in the dream above, I saw the twin girls in the pool and thought of Gemini in this posting. I only just looked back to see what teasel wrote so I could comment on that as well as MVMs and then I saw your posting and teasels next as well.

Life is so interesting.

posted November 03, 2010 08:45 PM         

And Darn, I've been trying to open the link but this computer keeps acting up. I'll have to wait until my laptop upstairs. The one in my Deck is a blond boy in bright Italian Renaissance clothing walking into town with some coins. Its cute.

posted November 03, 2010 08:52 PM         

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I know what you mean about Page of Pentacles - ho-hum. In the Motherpeace set, she is the daughter of discs. 'She stands in a place of power by the sipapuni (Hopi word) or birth hole. She rests her medicine pipe in the sacred circle. Behind her is her house in a cave. The sun has set, and the full moon rises and reflects in her obsidian mirror.' According to this deck, she seeks a kind of knowledge that is based in the truth that comes through her body. There now do you prefer that version, MVM?

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There's some interesting things attached to the Page of Pentacles in my deck, but its not coming to me now. I haven't opened my Scapini Deck in over a month though, and the book attached to it is somewhere in my room, I just can't find it. It just goes to show that all the cards have their story and value. There really isn't a such thing as a 'boring' card...lol.

posted November 03, 2010 08:53 PM         

Princess of Wands:

Princess of Pentacles:

posted November 03, 2010 08:55 PM         

And the smart-as-a-whip Princess of Swords:

posted November 03, 2010 09:02 PM         

I'm wondering if Circe has anything to do with this other than the linking ideas of my dream, with the Crone - hekate, her daughter Circe, and the child, in the dream, a son though I think who was killed by its mother out of anguish, fear and disappointment for what she had before her without the father around.

Circe, a witch and sorceress, is considered the goddess of pharmacakeia. In other stories her mother was the ocean nymph Perse.

On one website, it says that there are two main legends associated with her:

One involved the fisherman Glaucus (so I had to read on seeings though we have Glaucus in our midst).

'Glaucus had turned into a sea-god one day while sorting his catch. He became half man and half fish with long strands of seaweed for hair. Glaucus fell in love with a beautiful girl named Scylla but he thought his appearance and behaviour might put her off. So he asked Circe to make a spell to get Scylla to love him, but Circe wanted him to love her and got jealous when he refused to love anyone but Scylla.

posted November 04, 2010 06:30 PM         

Please don't think I am calling you a cheater either. I just thought I would mention it because it might be helpful to ponder. I for one gave one of my essays to a friend because she was running out of time to complete her own - it was just helpful to her as a support and she didn't copy anything noticeably. We would have been slaughtered though if it was found out.

I find dreams will have literal elements as well as manifestations on several levels.

Someone will probably start crying over me talking about dreams in the wrong forum or something but my excuse is that as part of revolutionising the 6th, Virgo is also about healing and integration and hence dreamwork is consistent with 6th house occupation in terms of deciphering and picking out elements, making connections, hypothesis etc. (I do that, like justify, haven't you noticed - anyway it saves lengthy having to listen to a saga - hopefully it will nip it in the bud so I don't have to hear it from the word go :rolleyes

posted November 05, 2010 07:46 AM         

The following may be well known to some or many but wow, how surprising! The following is probably arduous to read.

The origin of the word church is circe (and kirke etc).

Hekate was also known as Chthonia.

Chthonic means of the earth/soil (and sometimes under the soil (and blood) and is connected to the serpent matriarchal lunar cult that were at loggerheads with the goat-horned patriarchal solar cult, apparently and according to this website:
http://www.rosenoire.org/articles/chthonic.php

All this stuff about Moon in Scorpio, vampires, goths, greys etc - Chthonic!

Chthonic is linked to the word Katholou, Catholic is derived from Katholou.

Hermes or Mercurius was a Chthonic god. He was known as an hermaphrodite (Hermes/Aphrodite, containing both sexes) (LEXX you will love this stuff).

Apostolic, from the word Apostle meaning one who is sent out as a messenger.

Holy from the word qadesh (and all its variations) meaning 'set apart' 'sanctuary','separate from the common' and pertaining to the temple prostitutes (both men and women) who were not to marry because they were dedicated to temple life and for use of the temple priests/priestesses. Akkadian word 'Kadishtu' meaning 'cleansing' other words connected qadesh etc to good health. So yeah, purity, healthy etc.

Also 'qadesha'were women who lived out of law, out of bounds, and did what they wanted.

Circe, circle and related ideas: The snake eating its own tail, (O)uroborus, is a symbol of wholeness of accepting that creation and destruction essentially coexist. Chthonic and serpent related concepts to do with earth, belly slithering along the earth and all the related concepts of fear, depravity, darkness, taboo, sexual/sensual forays into indulgence etc is what I think Jung and others (maybe in that chthonic blurb website)say must be accepted so as to be able to plant 'the roots of our accent'.

Circe, in myth,was one of the 'daughters/priestesses of Hekate' but also known as a daughter of the Sun. 'Synagogue' means assembly etc, from the word 'Sunagoge', which comes from two roots: 'Sun' meaning union, assemble etc, and another word meaning complete, (my idea: communion, community).

Now relevance to Virgo, and the 6th from this site:
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Virgo.html

Well firstly, from other stuff, Qadesh, 'holy', related to the idea of the temple prostitutes/priestesses in 'heiros gamos' - sacred marriage.

Now, in that second website:

Virgo, from 'virga' meaning 'a young shoot, twig'.

Virgate, meaning shaped like a wand or rod.

Virgatus, made of twigs.

Weoxian, weis, whisk, whisker meaning to wipe with a quick stroke.

Verge, meaning rod, wand, staff.

Virga, cognate in Latin to 'talis' or 'talea', meaning rod, stick etc.

Talis, origins of words like talisman, tailor, detail.

Virgo connected to 'Parthenos Dios' the Virgin Goddess.

Parthenosgenesis (or however its spelt) meaning reproduction without fertilisation, and birth from a virgin.

Virgin broken up into 'Vir' meaning man, and gyne 'of a woman'. Hence androgynous, hermaphrodite themes corresponding to the idea of self containment, self fertility.

Virgo also connected with Erigone (which I think is in the constellation of Virgo).

Erigone related to greek word 'ergon' meaning 'work'.

And then something about Erigone and Virgo in that second website connected to Spring equinox sort of coupling rituals and stuff and funnily enough something to do with the Catholics - feast of the assumption or the reunion of the virgin to her son.

Anyway, if you've got this far then my conclusion:

we're witches!!!

Would you have thought any different? now common be truthful, (hardy -har -har)

Annnddd...what do you think all that twigs, rods, wands, and wiping/switching stuff was connected to Virgo's for, huh?,....broomsticks, wands, divining sticks, fer chrissakes...

And what do you think that connection to Circe and Hekate is?...they're witches!

And so what is the 6th house? well I reckon the holiness, ritual, and daily observances associated with service/work, and that retched twig broomstick - I bet all virgos/virgo influenced can get right into sweeping...chuckle. Albeit, when it appeals to us....being qadeshas, and all that.

And um, the 6th is probably the original church, where people worked as a community for 'the whole', and met in daily sort of rituals etc to be able to eat, live and probably pray and stuff...or would that be incantations instead

posted November 05, 2010 08:32 AM         

I don't really understand all the stuff but something about cleansing, in order to make way for like a new start - sounds very baptismal and plutonian I guess.

And um probably, Christ stuff too - virgin reuniting with her son - volumes of ideas and connections that feel like someones handed me a blade of grass from a huge soccer field of grass and there's no way I can reach the goal unless I run through all the grass in between - damn! *sticking my heels in*

posted November 05, 2010 09:13 AM         

Essentially there is something about rituals, seasons, cleansing, observances, and um, incense, oh and water, crushed obsidian, salt and wood ashes, and fructose (nectar)...oh and juniper twigs.

And, other stuff too, and it all is significant to a way of life that somehow shrivels the way of death. And these healthy things align us with the company of angels, and sort of sweet, freaky lovely things. So that somehow the integration, though we accept the unacceptable, we eventually work towards shrivelling the unacceptable in like an alchemical type of process so it sort of is contained but in its integration becomes fractioned into small and manageable bits that sort of sing and resonate - like picture this, that bunch of story book Shrek characters kind of singing in chorus at the end of the movie and some of them are a little freaky,and that's how we would roll - singing along with the stars except for the occasional out of tune note depicting our connection to the slitherers. And we become the Son of the Virgin or something, and like begets like thereafter - ahhh, and we all lived happily ever after (Shrek story book characters singing in the background as the curtain drops and Fiona (my alter ego - well, now) curtsies and sort of stumbles a bit before she leaves the stage to the left)