posted September 01, 2010 01:36 AM            

You and DD were talking about Gem's dwad Mars being conjunct my Venus. In the regular synastry his Mars was in opposition to my Venus. He was attracted to me, but I wasn't attracted to him at all. I was very fond of him, but in a platonic way. The idea of me and him being intimate made me shiver (not in a positive way). As for my dwad Pluto in opposition to his Moon, that aspect is pretty wide (my dwad Pluto is at 12 Virgo, his tropical Moon at 5 Pisces). The synastry with the Gem is beyond my understanding. I do not see why he was so into me and why I only saw him as a friend, I can't find any explanation, not in the tropical synastry, nor in the dwad synastry. Perhaps unrequited love shows somewhere else. I don't know.

posted September 01, 2010 02:22 AM            

I found another synastry for unrequited love, this time not mine. I will post it in the other thread for your research.

posted September 01, 2010 07:24 AM            

"I personally think the best way to examine that is to study someone's natal and see how the other person satisfies their strongest desires"

I REALLY think that there might be the biggest and deciding clues. Someone`s natal urges and also the triggering of dormant natal potential (through transit or progressions).

posted September 01, 2010 11:56 AM            

Yes, perhaps this discussion should have started with what dwads are and what they mean to each of us, before jumping onto synastry and how our dwads interact with others'. To me, the dwad chart is NOT about my inner self, it is not the hidden part of myself. I don't understand where this idea came from. For me, dwads modify tropical. They are in no way hidden. This is why it is hard for me to grasp this discussion. I AM my dwad placements, I play them out, I act on them. For example, I have an Aries Mercury, conjunct Mars nonetheless, which amplifies the Aries qualities of my Mercury. But my Mercury is in the Capricorn dwad, which explains my way of communicating and my thinking. I am not as impulsive as you'd expect, I don't jump to conclusions. I am reserved in my speech, I pick my words carefully and, generally, my thinking is on the pragmatic side.

I have integrated my dwad placements, they are a part of me, one that is quite visible. But I will think some more about how this plays out in synastry.

posted September 01, 2010 12:21 PM            

I see it the same as you. Nothing hidden or unconscous about them (well, as unconcious as any tropical placement).
Actually they ARE tropical placements, they are just a further division of our planets, and they add an OVERTONE (like a dispositor would do, too).
They explain why people with a Leo Sun may not be the same (of course aspects and housplacements figure in, too).

They add something to our main sign. It`s like you project the whole zodiac on just one sign.

How does it play out in synastry though?

Like you I feel my Dwads, I AM them.

A Libran flavour is added to my Sag Sun, which might set me apart from other Sag Suns.

my Venus is in unromantic Capricorn (ssh, Jane, don`t spill the secret that Cappies are not really that unromantic, it depends on how you define it ), but I can clearly see where my Dwad Venus in Pisces comes in.

posted September 01, 2010 12:31 PM            

Personally, I think I want a partner to satisfy both the tropical and the dwad part of me. I can't say which contacts would make me feel more attracted to somebody, the tropical or the dwad ones. I think it's a mix, as you said.

posted September 01, 2010 03:25 PM            

my DWAD Mars is on 2 Aquarius, not touching tropical.

Why do I find Gerard Butler so attractive?
I do, I really think he is sexy, well sometimes I think, and at other times i think he is an ape.

REasons could be multilayered.

1st of all he makes my Venus-Pluto-square resonate BIG time with his Sun and Venus in Scorpio. This alone is explanation enough I guess.

2ndly we do have strong tropical Pluto synastry. His Pluto exact squaring my Sun and DESC-ruler. His Pluto exact on my Draco DESC.
My Pluto squaring his Moon, which conjuncts my Venus.

But sometimes it doesn`t feel like the brooding undertow, that Pluto sometimes can cause. Sometimes he feels just sexy in an uncomplicated way. Not a little bit of emotional or intellectual attraction (other that I think he would be fun to be around, as long as you didn`t try building up something serious or lasting).

posted September 02, 2010 12:15 PM            

Yes, his natal chart does have some indications of him being a dreamer and an idealist (and a poet). If he didn't, perhaps there wouldn't be unrequited love between us. But not all of his relationships were one-sided, he had relationships with women who loved him back. I don't understand why he felt that way for ME. He was in love with me throughout Medschool (6 years) and after that moved to the same city I moved, even though I clearly stated my interest in him was merely platonic.