posted September 12, 2010 04:05 PM         

I think about what my mother did to me. She MADE me the person I am ,today.

At this point in time, I am not over it. Perhaps, when I am I will be more like a diamond than a piece of coal

posted September 12, 2010 04:07 PM         

I have meditated on the Chiron wound for some time.

1. It is a wound of our self, a wound that we hold close to our chest, because it is 'our' wound. Now, Chiron was unable to heal his own wound but he did heal Prometheus by setting him free and taking his place, thus 'dying' to his wound.

2. The definition of a wound: it is a defect, a gap in that which is meant to be whole.

3. Being whole means letting go of the illusion of separateness that severs us from the Source.

Combining 1, 2 and 3 ( hehe )

SO, if we have to heal our wound, we need to let go of the illusion of separateness. Which means, there is no "out there" and "in here". In other words, there is no "me" and "you". Healing the wounds of others is the same as healing yourself.

And that is the lesson of Chiron.

P.S. I'll have to check with the Mathastrology dept.

posted September 12, 2010 05:34 PM         

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If your Chiron conjuncts some ones DSC, and this person also has their Natal Chiron in their 7th house... What type of effect will it have on them?

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When we were little kids, I knew a boy whose Chiron was exactly cnj my Dsc. Natally I have Chiron in my 7th house.

He was a popular boy in our neighborhood. Athletic, confident and cute. At first, that's all I saw.

Then I started spending some time in his home and noticed how often he was alone. He had no siblings and his single mom was always out (at work, I guess). I could suddenly see how hungry he was for an emotional connection. He loved to cuddle and kiss. He could do that for a whole afternoon. Even at that young age I felt like he needed that physical contact with me to comfort something sad inside him. I found it hard to turn down his invitations. I didn't want to add to his loneliness.

I only knew him a year. Very recently I found him on MySpace. He has some poems on there he wrote for his best friend who died a few years ago. In many of his comments, he shows a sensitive & introspective side. But no one responds to that part of him in their posts. He's a drummer and most of the people leaving messages there are fans. They speak to him like he's some bad boy player, ignoring his deeper side. I wonder if that's his wound? People not seeing/acknowledging his deeper, feeling side?

We don't know each other now, and barely knew each other back then since we were so young. So it's hard to know how this would play out now as adults. What I know for sure is that as the Dsc person, it's like I see a spotlight on his Chiron side. I can't see him w/o seeing it.

posted September 12, 2010 05:41 PM         

I have my Venus conjunct Somone's Chiron exact and I think that I hurt him badly in a past life. Sometimes I have visions of this because the way I feel sometimes from him the pain is so unbearable. I must've hurt him just the same but one thing is for sure that the depth of love that is under these wounds will overcome it.

That's why Chiron is a very important aspect in synastry. You can't experience true, real, deep love unless you have the pain of that first.

posted September 12, 2010 06:57 PM         

Jane,

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That's why Chiron is a very important aspect in synastry. You can't experience true, real, deep love unless you have the pain of that first

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posted September 12, 2010 07:45 PM         

I was thinking about my life from one of the threads about suffering making you what you are.

I wanted to be what my Aunt's children were, in my mind.
They were loved, protected, always had a soft place to fall etc.

They all did really well in life etc

I call them the "lovely girls" in my own mind.
They ARE lovely girls, sweet,humble etc

I always wished I was a lovely girl like that.
However, perhaps my suffering can make me someone who has something unique.

I think it can. Today, for the first time, I think I may be OK, after all.

posted September 12, 2010 08:18 PM         

Magi astrology put alot of weight onto Chiron connections.. But they also say that the bad aspects are.. well, bad.

You probably had more factors going on in the synastry. As for now I wouldn't blame it on that.

Ami,

I understand what you are saying. That is a beautiful thing what you have longed for, it seems that once you understand what it is you are putting on a pedestal, you become more comfortable with who you really are.

As for me, I had a hard time with my mother growing up, and I always wished she was different for a very long time. As of now, I'm happy about my experiences because yes it makes me who I am today. I'm very determined and I know that I will be that much better when I become a mother.

posted September 12, 2010 11:01 PM         

You know what's weird. He's a Leo with a Cancer Venus. Isn't that your combo?

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He doesnt support my emotional needs the way I would prefer....

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That's probably from his Venus square your Chiron.

posted September 12, 2010 11:12 PM         

Yes that is my combo.. Strange!! errie...

posted September 12, 2010 11:28 PM         

If it's the hurt part, then we're either going to hurt them further or comfort them. Or, like a wounded animal, they'll attack us.

If it's the counselor part, then they'll help us. If we reject their help, we could hurt them further.

I don't think it's linear. We don't start out hurt, then learn and become a healer and stay there. We're always a mixed bag.

I was curious. Can you guys see through your Chiron aspects how you deal with your wound? ("Wound." As if there's only one. I just mean that spot where the nerves are their most raw.)

There's a line in an old song that always makes me think of Chiron. "Can you help me remember how to smile? Make it somehow all seem worthwhile?" I see the planets Chiron aspects in our natal as the planets Chiron directs those lines to. Those planets of ours get shaped by Chiron's request. They become nurses and teachers.

For instance, Chiron trine Jupiter could turn to philosophy and humor. Trine Venus, to art and relationships. Trine Mars, to sex and drive. The houses those helping planets are in further specify how they soothe.

I think our hard natal Chiron aspects could show some dysfunctional ways we deal with our wounds. A square with Saturn - too self sufficient. A square with Pluto - always needs the upper hand to protect the self, etc.

posted September 12, 2010 11:41 PM         

I have Retro Chiron in the 1st in Aries

Chiron sextile Saturn
Chiron trine Merc,Moon,Sun, mars (wide on the mars 9 orbs)
Chiron opposite Uranus
Chiron trine MC

I kinda feel as if I was meant to go through truama at a young age, so I can understand and relate to people.

I have also been witness to many accidents.. I just seem to be right there when accidents happen.. Im usually the one that calls 911..
I saw one guy get hit by a car, and I ran to him and stayed with him, until the ambulance came. It was awful, he had bones sticking out of his legs.. Even though I couldnt do anything to help per say.. I stayed and held his hand..

posted September 12, 2010 11:52 PM         

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I stayed and held his hand.

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Prominent Chiron!

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Chiron opposite Uranus

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Alright, I know I'm just some stranger on the internet. So feel free to tell me to sod off if I'm being intrusive. Or even if I'm not, feel free to say it just for kicks.

But that Uranus opposition...do you run? Not just with this guy. Always. When someone gets close to that part in you that's emotionally hungry. When they're hovering around it, making you feel it. Is that when your alarms go off: Abort mission! Abort mission! And instead of staying still and letting him in there with you, you put up a wall and run away?

Is the back and forth you're experiencing with him your own dance with Chiron? Close so close almost there...and then you stop it bc that closeness itself makes it hurt so bad? Uranus insists it would feel better to be alone. Then you could put some ice on Chiron to get the swelling down. Only that doesn't really help.

As I said, please feel free to tell me to get lost. (You know that Chiron-Uranus opp wants to! )

posted September 13, 2010 12:04 AM         

Well to honest its hard to pinpoint what I do..

I dont (at least think) I run from relationships in general.. I do like being in relationships. I was married for 12 years.. But YES at the same time I kept my personal space never really letting anyone totally in....
Yes I do have abandonment issues, I do feel that I should leave before I get left. Why feel the pain of another person leaving..

I have always been left behind, I have always just had to do it on my own... When someone did stick around (ex husband) he was taken away, from outside sources. I wasnt going to let go even though I was not happy in the marriage.. So fate stepped in and did it.. Just because I needed ANYONE to be there for me...
But honestly once he was gone (well after 18 months of solitude) I realized it was for the best, and fate did what it had to do...

I do fall more for the guys that seem some how emotional unavailable. Which Im comfortable with since that's all I know..

I once met a guy with a stellium in Cancer, I couldnt stand all the emotions he had, and how open he was... It really annoyed me.. Shrug..

posted September 13, 2010 12:26 AM         

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I wasnt going to let go even though I was not happy in the marriage.. So fate stepped in and did it.. Just because I needed ANYONE to be there for me...
But honestly once he was gone (well after 18 months of solitude) I realized it was for the best, and fate did what it had to do...

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It sounds like with your husband you had a comfortable compromise. A long-term relationship where you knew your Chiron was safe. Safe because he couldn't reach it.

Maybe life took him away so that you'd have room for someone who could reach it?

I'm not saying this current guy is the one for the job. And weepy Cancer Man wasn't. But do you believe someone could be?

How do we even know who we can trust? I guess it often requires a leap of faith. Not just in the person we're trusting, but in life.

posted September 13, 2010 12:39 AM         

We do have really deep talks, but it sends me into an emotional spiral for a week. But honestly this guy gives me nothing back.. He wont fulfill any of my needs.. I wish he did, because I really really like him..... I feel as if I could tell him anything. I dont fear judgment from him.. But he just wont let me confide at the level I want to...

I have tried and tried everything I can think of, but its been fruitless..

Now Im feeling Im giving and giving, but not getting anything back.. I have pulled away from him, as much as possible.. But like I said when I pull away he comes wondering around.. Then If I say great your here.. He's like WTF,, Im not here... Then he's off again...

But I do have to admit, that when I first met him, he was always saying "all girls" do this and that... blah blah blah... I know I have some how changed that perception he has of "all girls"

He just always makes me feel rejected.. otherwise I would totally be there by his side, w/o a shadow of a doubt... But he's spent to much time making assumptions, that he just can't get over what he "knows" to be fact..

posted September 13, 2010 12:40 AM         

I know we have talked so I have private info I will not divulge---just hint at so you will know.
I think he has certain insecurities about you but this is BECAUSE he cares .

I think he cares a lot but cannot bridge SOME gap.

Rather, you AND he cannot bridge some gap.

I feel that is YOU who must bridge.

He can't/doesn't know how.

The only way you can bridge it is not use your intuition/heart, not head.

Don't think out anything.

Just wanted to share my thoughts when I read your post.

Keep me posted by e mail, Sweetie
Ami