posted September 13, 2010 12:48 AM         

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Then If I say great your here.. He's like WTF,, Im not here... Then he's off again...

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Lioness - is he a Pisces?

posted September 13, 2010 12:50 AM         

He has pluto conjunct Asc.. so nothing is breakin him...

I do know he cares in his own way.. but IDK its just not enough... Why do I have to be the one to give and give.. How does this make me happy?? I've been doing this for almost a year now.. Still nothing from him...
What if I do all these things, and he's not interested.. Who's the hurt one?? ME...

I cant get rejected and then stand there and look at him everyday....

I've been ignoring him for a over a week now.. He's been staring at me, and coming to me.. but he WONT say hey.. whats wrong... NOTHING.... I need something from him... I cant do it all.. It should be both ways.. Give and take..

posted September 13, 2010 12:53 AM         

LMAO!!! Yes

posted September 13, 2010 01:02 AM         

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There's a line in an old song that always makes me think of Chiron. "Can you help me remember how to smile? Make it somehow all seem worthwhile?"

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I love that song. I bought their CD when I was a teenager.

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I think our hard natal Chiron aspects could show some dysfunctional ways we deal with our wounds. A square with Saturn - too self sufficient. A square with Pluto - always needs the upper hand to protect the self, etc.

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I have a wide opposition between Uranus and Ceres/Chiron/Sun (six degrees). I suppose that could reflect the alternative ways I've dealt with my problems, for the most part.

(I'm thinking about synastry here - I have a mutual Mercury/Chiron conjunction with someone - technically, everyone's Chiron between certain years, is conjunct my Mercury or Sun, at varying degrees. They let me know that something they did was no reflection on me, but it was difficult not to take it that way - especially with the low place I've been in for most of the past year. Actions speak louder than words...)

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I find the cnj's describe the wound itself, rather than our escape route.

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posted September 13, 2010 01:12 AM         

Oh, Cap Venus. I have that. RUN! j/k

All those impersonal signs can have him out of touch with his personal self. That energy isn't very "what you see is what you get." Maybe he runs so that he doesn't have to define himself. It's not that he's running from any particular wound. He simply may not know who he is when he's with another person. He might start to feel boxed in and confused. Maybe that's how Chiron in the 7th works for him!

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although talking (finally) was one escape route

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I just needed to find the right people to talk to about things

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Is your Mercury widely cnj your Chiron?

posted September 13, 2010 01:19 AM         

Here is all the Chiron Aspects we have

My Chiron to Him
Chiron opps Pluto
Chiron sq MC
Chiron sq Asc
Chiron conjunct Dsc
Chiron trine Neptune
Chiron sq Venus
Chiron contra parallel Mercury
Chiron parallel Saturn
Chiron parallel Pluto

His Chiron to me
I think its biguints.
Chiron biqun MC
Chiron biqun DC
Chiron parallel mercury
Chiron parallel Mars
Chiron parallel Ceres

The one thing (off topic) that Im trying to understand is this:

His Nn conjuncts my Vertex
My Vertex trines his Vertex
His Vertex trines my NN

posted September 13, 2010 01:39 AM         

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His Nn conjuncts my Vertex

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I've seen this a few times. What I saw, the vertex person changed the lifepath of the NN person (for the better).

Has he ever complained that you hurt him, specifically through any self-protective behavior on your part? Your Chiron square his Venus could indicate that from his pov.

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you'd think I'd remember by now

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No worries. My elephant-like memory will remember for you. (I may have freaked out DD recently by remembering a convo we had 3 years ago. That's the way of the Sco Merc. Creepy. Soo creepy. )

posted September 13, 2010 11:49 AM         

Well first this guy complains how women "trip" this guy "trips" more than any other man I have ever met... lol

Well I do know he's a jealous person. He has put it in his head, that I am messing around with different guys..
One time I was talking to the security guard, an hour later he was asking me if I was hooking up with him, because he saw the twinkle in my eye when I looked to the security guard..
WTF!! I got really mad when he said that.. He later apologized...
But he just keeps making these assumputions about me and other men.. Which are in no way true.. Thats what he has convinced himself.

My Vertex conjuncts his NN so I change his life path?

posted September 13, 2010 12:13 PM         

If anyone can make it work, has higher wisdom and maturity, it will be you.

If you expect him to show the way, it will fail.

That is my sense and I could be wrong.

DO you want to do what it takes to have him? Is he that special to you?

If so, we can talk and you can figure out steps,I think.

However, it won't be easy .

That is the first premise I think you are not accepting.
Is he worth the struggle, to you?

IF someone were worth it to me, I would struggle and struggle.

*I* don't think it is a loss cuz anything with someone you love is more meaningful than all the "right" things with someone you don't.

IF IF IF he means that much to you, I would go forward with a dogged manner.

I will help you ,if you want, cuz you WILL need support cuz YOU will be changing and growing and experiencing your OWN pain in the process.

x o Ami

posted September 13, 2010 01:03 PM         

all diamonds are just pieces of coal.

Actually I was thinking of this metaphor / imagery when thinking about how Chiron aspects work.

posted September 13, 2010 03:21 PM         

IDK...

My head tells me I would just be setting my self up for a heart break..

Plus we have so many oppostions and squares, and quentiles.

me to him
Venus can/cap
Mars leo/aqua
sun leo/pisces
mercury leo/pisces
moon leo/sag (far orbs)

I do see he wants to impress me with money.. He always talks about money.. Which I dont like.. Makes me think, that he's really materilistic.
I have no air/earth, so money isnt that important..
BUT makes me feel that he could take care of me, which my Venus likes. But its more of an emotional secuirty.. For him its finicial security.

posted September 13, 2010 03:30 PM         

If he is not, I would let it go. If he is, I would go, go ,go for it.

Ami

posted September 14, 2010 05:56 AM         

Now that I am coming out of my shell, I can figure out things I never could before.I guess this is what normal is

posted September 14, 2010 08:06 PM         

Ami

PS E mail me ANY time you want to talk!

posted September 15, 2010 01:08 PM         

I have been reading The Prophet by Gibran.

I was reading it before I went in to a hole at 14. It seems like it has life wisdom.

It says that Love will wound you. Love does not have a goal like "get" the beloved but is a deepening of who YOU are and a deepening of who he is,of course.

Love is it's own goal is the best way to say it, maybe.

I get that,now, but it took a LOT and I don't get it that well LOL

What I was trying to say is this--For me, I love someone. I don't know where it will go, if it will go, what will happen.

I just know that WHATEVER I do with him is beautiful to me. That includes fighting, hurting, crying, grieving, yearning.

It is because it is him.

If you have THAT--fight for it.

It is not about the end--marriage, yes or no etc.

It is about the process of love and that you want to do it with HIM.
It is not about "A" guy,in that ANY guy could fill the bill.

If it is less than that, I would let it go.

If you do decide you want him ,I think you will need support in going forward. You know, I am here if you want !

PS I I tried everything to the best of my ability, there is a time to let go,too.

That is it's own wisdom lol