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Lioness
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posted September 09, 2010 09:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
If your Chiron conjuncts some ones DSC, and this person also has their Natal Chiron in their 7th house... What type of effect will it have on them?


Especially since this person Has Transit Chiron conjunct natal Sun

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Ami Anne
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posted September 12, 2010 02:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Chiron is powerful. I am not familiar with it's conjuncting the DSC.

I think, the planet person uses the Chiron person's energy in order to heal.
So, you, as the Chiron person would be donating your energy to the DSC person.

He would be thrust in to healing wounds that involved relationships,of the partnership type.


You, also, would have wounds opened by HIS healing.

It is an interplay. Both have to agree, in a sense ,or else one will leave cuz it is too intense and painful.

That is my take on it,anyway.


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posted September 12, 2010 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
Ooo Thanks Ami..

Well I cant speak for him.. But he has come to me for advice..

But yes I have received my wounds, and Im ready to move on, so I dont have to keep feeling this..

Yes it has been intense and painful.. But I have also learned from him... I have grown from my interaction with him..

My Chiron also squares his Venus/IC/Psyche/MC

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posted September 12, 2010 04:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tamarella     Edit/Delete Message
i had this aspect with my ex(his chiron conj my dsc) and i`m sorry to say that but he deepened my wounds

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posted September 12, 2010 08:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I am not an expert in Chiron. In an unequal power relationship like mother /child ,it was bad for me, very bad.

My mother's sun was conjunct my Chiron, exact.

She,literally ,pulled my energy from me. In fact, I would feel punched in the stomach( the 3rd chakra, I think it is) ALL the time with her

I could feel her winding herself up in a ball to say something to shock/wound me and it would hit with the force of a punch in the stomach and almost take the breath out of me.

My problems are IN the stomach chakra ,now. I have a hard time eating and if I am upset, forget it, I can't eat lol


However, that was an unequal relationship with power.

I have not had much experience with adult Chiron relationships although I have a g/f ,now, whom I love very much . I did the synastry and my Venus is in exact conjunction with her Chiron lol

My thoughts are that it CAN be good for both people in the right setting/time etc.


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posted September 12, 2010 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message
Lioness - Generally I don't notice Chiron in my synastries. My favourite asteroid (now dwarf planet) is Ceres.

I'm not sure if this helps but - The most recent experience I have seen unfold before my eyes is that of a Aries/Pisces cusp male 'friend' who has Chiron in Gemini conjunct his gf's Sun. He has a propensity to exaggerate and tell fibs when it comes to her. I almost feel as though he is using her and the lies he concocts regarding her to receive attention from myself and other people in our social circle. He often implies that she is hurting him when she has done literally nothing to him. The worst thing is - because - he has no stories and no actual facts, he makes up events that never occurred between them.

The latest thing he made up was that they had an argument and she threw half his clothes out and locked him out in the backyard. Me and two other people were at her house n the day he claims this happened. He showed up drunk and went to bed. That was all!! But he thinks allll of this drama happened. Very delusional.

He says - she abuses him and allllllllllll of this BS. I can't believe she still puts up with it.

I'm not sure whether this is just his case or whether the Chiron aspect is the troublemaker here.

But at least in this case he (the Chiron) is being very spiteful. I doubt making up 'dramatic' stories to get attention is a Chiron thing though. That maybe Pisces/Neptune in his chart.

:edit: I remembered another situation. Her Mercury was conjunct his Chiron. She often pretended they were in a relationship, when he barely knew her. They worked together for about 6 months so they had a professional relationship and were aquaintances, but this woman made up a whole life time with him - that never existed and made up feelings that he never had for her.

He tried to be nice to her so she understands he simply does not feel the same way, but she would not have it. Her reaction was that he is lying to her and everyone else.
She was just obsessively convinced that he cared about her WAY more than was the case. It was a little creepy.

Also - when he was honest with her and told her how he felt - she basically reacted as though he DID something to her. As though his rejection was him purposely trying to harm her. She simply could not take being rejected. He had nothing against her at all. He was a nice enough guy, just not interested in her in that way. She was simply not his cup of tea and he felt they had not much in common - which frankly, I could understand knowing both of them. I wonder if Chiron can instil delusion.
(On the other hand - to keep it unbiased - this particular girl was a little full of herself. So in general, she probably thought no one should ever reject her, since she is perfection personified.)

I'm starting to wonder if these apparently Neptunian relationships were actually affected by the Chiron aspects as well.

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posted September 12, 2010 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message
My ex husband Saturn/Chiron conjuncts my Asc..

IDk I've been thinking and I really cant decided it we wounded each other or healed each other... Its hard to say..

The relationship ended due to "other circumstances" which we was the cause of..

He is probably wounded because Im not willing to accept the circumstances, I feel he is at fault and knew the consequences if his behavior continued. He just expected me to always be there..
Im standing my ground here.. I will not let it go..

With this other guy my Chiron conjuncts his Asc and I havent hurt him. At least I dont think I have.. I do feel rejection from him, but Im not deeply hurt. More so rejected which hurts my pride..
Humm some things to think about..

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posted September 12, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know about Angles like ASC, DSC but with planets , the planet person comes for healing BUT that healing opens UP the Chiron person's wounds.

Then, you can add the part that Chiron is the wounded healer whose wounds never heal --in the myth.

So, perhaps, when they are opened , they simply ooze and hurt but never heal.

I am just throwing things out cuz I am no expert in Chiron lol

I have a new friendship, now, with my Chiron on her Venus so I will let you know

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posted September 12, 2010 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
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posted September 12, 2010 01:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
The way I understand this, Chiron is the wounded healer. The theme with Chiron's placement is often that the Chiron person is denied what he/she desires but is able to cultivate that quality in others(Chiron was a great teacher).

So, in synastry, the Chiron person is 'denied' the planet or point aspected in the other's chart but provides this to the other. Relationships with Chiron are considered extremely spiritual and karmic but too many Chiron aspects can feel like a burden to the Chiron person. It is like your energy is being leeched away by the other person. Unless the planet person is willing to learn the spiritual lessons involved and become self-dependent or the Chiron can learn to deal with it as a way to pay off their karmic debts, the relationship will eventually begin to feel like a burden and Chiron may end it while the planet wonders what went wrong.

[Speaking as Chiron]

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Look down at me and you'll see a fool. Look up at me and you'll see your god. Look straight at me and you'll see yourself.

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posted September 12, 2010 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Frozen Queen

That was brilliant .

Should I give you my U tube link?

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posted September 12, 2010 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
If you please...

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posted September 12, 2010 01:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
OK, this is for you, Girlfriend cuz you are marvelous and all sorts of "rock your world" things


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZtbASCE7ZY

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posted September 12, 2010 01:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
We're moving off-topic again, but, thanks Ami.

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posted September 12, 2010 01:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
You are welcome.
Are you having a hard time accepting a compliment ?

x o x
Ami

OK Here is another one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5wQeBLQ194&feature=related


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posted September 12, 2010 01:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
My son who died had his Chiron on my Mercury, exact.
He was very logical and I DID look to him to figure out things,sometimes, when my head was lost in emotions.

He was the only one in the family with common sense, in a way,like a basic street smarts.
He was a Virgo Sun with Mars in Cap.

I want to feel guilty about that but planets are given by a Higher Authority than we.


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posted September 12, 2010 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FrozenQueen     Edit/Delete Message
Umm no

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posted September 12, 2010 03:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message
Would Chiron conjunct Chiron tightly aspected in Synastry be just too heavy? Or a wonderful, fortunate aspect to have in synastry?

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posted September 12, 2010 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I think it may not count cuz it is generational

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posted September 12, 2010 03:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message
This is from WIKI:

Ironically, Chiron, the master of the healing arts, could not heal himself, so he willingly gave up his immortality. He was honoured with a place in the sky, for the Greeks as the constellation Centaurus.
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I don't believe in the "Chiron the wounded healer" stuff. Chiron is where it hurts to no end and never heals.

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posted September 12, 2010 03:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Well, Starkiss, the myth says that Chiron never heals so you may be right.
People who come to Chiron can heal but Chiron ,himself, never will

I am thinking about that in relationship to my Mother whose Sun was conjunct my Chiron

I don't think I will ever heal the wound she inflicted on me, not totally.
Is that part of what you mean?

The Chiron person will get nothing but continual hurt while the planet person COULD get healing???

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posted September 12, 2010 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Anne - Chiron conjunct Chiron being generational; I thought that may be the case as well. Thanks.

Starkiss - "hurts to no end and never heals." That is extremely sad. It made my stomach nauseous when I read that.

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posted September 12, 2010 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message
I think Chiron`s mastery consisted in accepting that his wound was unhealable.
Maybe this is one key ingredient, that we learn to accept that some wounds stay with us forever. But in a way they made us who we are.

The Sun, who was conjunct my Chiron, inflicted (or woke up) an eternal wound in me, and these scars will be with me forever.
But at that point I am now, I can see, that even though it hurt, this is a part of me now, and it helped deepening my personality.
It made me the person I am today, and I wouldn`t want to be someone else!
I am actually thankful for the wound I received, as I learned so much in the process!

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posted September 12, 2010 04:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StelliumH6     Edit/Delete Message
Awww. My Pisces friend has most of the Chiron in Synastry. (example: he Chiron trine my Moon) I do not want to hurt him though!! I am going to be greatly aware of this from now on.

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posted September 12, 2010 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Trines may be different that conjunctions and squares ,though, Stellium

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