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Topic: Did You Ever Have Anyone You Could Really Trust?
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 10:26 AM
The Pluto-Venus thread made me realize that many of us are walking wounded trying to hook up with another walking wounded How can you trust if you never had anyone you could trust? I had my grandmother, only. I knew she would never hurt me for her own gain. I have a Cancer moon with a wide conjunction to Mars(8 degrees) and a semi-sextile to Venus. It is in the 8th house. Please share your experiences with trust.Do you see them relating to current relationships? How? ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 4591 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 10:30 AM
Hi Ami, I never fully trusted anyone before i met my bf. Actually, i didn't even realise how untrusting i was before that. I trust him implicitly. I don't trust anyone else but then life has taught me to trust myself. moon cj venus and venus semi sextile mars. In equal house system i have chiron/moon/venus/saturn/nn in 8th house. In placidus system i have chiron in 8th. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 929 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 10:51 AM
Saturn rules trust and security.Neptune rules deception and lies. Psychologically, people lie as a protection mechanism. It's the same with anger which is the first line of protection. What you should look for is the condition of your Saturn. Is your Saturn very stressed? Is Saturn stressing one of the rulers of your 2nd, 5th, 8th or 11th Houses? Is Saturn located in one of those houses? The 2nd, 5th, 8th and 11th Houses are your self-worth circuit and when Saturn relates to those houses in anyway, it's possible that trust and control issues will rear their heads. Our own attitudes about what trust and security really is, how much control and security is too much? Trust, fear and respect are all rolled up, so there's a lot more to it than if someone is cheating on you or willing to cheat or if they're bad or good. Every single person has trust vs. deception issues. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 4591 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 10:59 AM
Hey Geo Oh boy, Neptune is cj my IC. Your description explains a lot. Thank you. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 12:00 PM
Thank you so much for these answers.I am gonna come back and study them!------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 2305 From: Planet love :) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 12:28 PM
I have Saturn in first conjunct Pluto my second house ruler. I also have Saturn sextile Neptune and Saturn doesn't make any harsh aspects in my chart. It makes a trine to my 11th house ruler and sextiles my 8th house ruler. I don't have trust issues. I don't think people have them with me either. IP: Logged |
Geocosmic* Valentine Knowflake Posts: 929 From: New York, NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 12:55 PM
Belgz,It's not always about whether YOU trust someone, it's can be about how trustworthy YOU are. My one example for why people may not trust YOU: The bank issue from last year. I'm not talking about innocence or guilt here, it's about finding yourself in positions where people have to trust you. That situation you were in last year was pretty large spanning international boundaries. It truly speaks to the power of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction. It's not something you chose to happen, but the energy flowed that way and it was definitely a trust issue that caused major problems for you, your grandmother, the bank, law, etc. Try to follow the energy of it in your chart. Look at the transits and Solar Arcs for that time period. How did Neptune play into it? How else did Saturn play into it? Then on the flip side, how did Saturn play it's role in getting people to trust you again and realize that it was an innocent error? How did Saturn help to restructure your financial standing again? How did Saturn help to restructure your grandmother's financial standing again? Astrology is fascinating, isn't it? IP: Logged |
belgz Knowflake Posts: 2305 From: Planet love :) Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 01:09 PM
Gv,You catch me out every time Well okay I guess the bank doesn't trust me and I don't trust them
I am super paranoid about the bank ... No really I am!! Just not about other people IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 01:18 PM
Dear Geo My Saturn is conjunct my Scorpio ASC. It is trine Mars in Cancer in the 9th house.
Capricorn rules the 3rd house. I could not do the things I really wanted to do in life cuz my mind was fogged by emotions . I am looking back and realizing that I had certain dreams I could not realize cuz my mind was too fogged.
I wanted to be a French teacher but I could not figure out hard grammar lol I wanted to do something with music but I could never feel the rhythm . I think Saturn in the first house is having a hard childhood. I could not trust my parents to be on my side. I had to shut down my Scorpio sight or I would have been ostracized. IQ says Saturn in Scorpio puts a wet blanket over your sexuality which is true I read that Scorpio ASC can have a mother who hurts them and the grandmother has to take over. This happened to me. You know, Geo. My problem could be too much Neptune lol Every planet except the moon and Venus touches Neptune. It is in the 12th house and is trined to the Sun and Mercury in the 8th house. PS Thank you for all you give ,Geo Your posts teach me a great deal!!
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 01:19 PM
quote: Well okay I guess the bank doesn't trust me and I don't trust them
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 5336 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 01:37 PM
once you learn to trust yourself you have no need to worry about other people's trustworthiness. deceivers will generally not be anywhere near you and if they are you will metaphorically walk around them...and any plans they might have to dupe you will fall flat.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 01:42 PM
Dear Kat, The problem is how to get there. Any suggestions? Please ,be specific ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 5336 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 03:08 PM
for me it was a combination of life experience and learning to talk to myself when i was in doubt...after you have walked thru fire enough times you begin to understand ... the only thing to fear IS fear itself.not sure how better to explain it. meditating does really help. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 03:10 PM
Yes, Kat, it must be one of those things that must be experienced---not talked about LOL------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 4591 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 03:15 PM
Trust = faith Doubt murders trustTo know yourself is to trust yourself. I am incrediby trustworthy yet I attracted really untrustworthy, nasty, unkind people in the past. Thank god I don't anymore - now, I just pity their superficial minds lol Open your heart and shut your mind Ami. You aren't getting there cos your thoughts are in the way, blocking pure truth! IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 1999 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 05:12 PM
I associate trust with the MoonIP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 05:21 PM
Yes, Lonake, I do ,too, even though I am not an experienced astrologer lol To me, the more I trust someone, the more I show them my moon i.e am less armored. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 1999 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 05:28 PM
right because emotional attunement is a tie on a plane where you see the other person as similar to yourself, so there is less fear, and you become more open, imo.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 05:39 PM
Someone once told me that when you fall in love, it is child to child. That was profound,I thought. Child to child feels like moon to moon lol------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Predominantlyfire Knowflake Posts: 359 From: Bipolarland (Lindaland) Registered: Dec 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 06:08 PM
'Lara' - quote: Hi Ami, I never fully trusted anyone before i met my bf. Actually, i didn't even realise how untrusting i was before that. I trust him implicitly. I don't trust anyone else but then life has taught me to trust myself. moon cj venus and venus semi sextile mars. In equal house system i have chiron/moon/venus/saturn/nn in 8th house. In placidus system i have chiron in 8th.
Is that why most of your associations with men end up at the police station in one form or another? Full-of-sh1t. ------------------ Lack of Earth - Lack of bu11shit. IP: Logged |
Unmoved Moderator Posts: 2025 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 06:27 PM
Interesting GV. Thanks for starting this thread Ami, because it got GV to share her wisdom.I have Saturn in Libra (exalted) and it is in the 12th. I can be trusted. I'm very discreet. I also happen on a lot of secrets. I attract them easily. I am very, very secretive too. I also trust people generally, except in intimate relationships. Thus far, I have never been with a man I trust. I trust my close friends (a very select number of people) completely. They trust me too. I can tell. I think my friends know that I don't talk. I also trust people too much with money and get easily betrayed or tricked financially (Sag Neptune in 2nd). I handle other people's money well, but not my own very well. It would seem as though I am not meant for partnerships in business. I have come to understand that. With that said, I am not a liar. I will just tell a person, "Sorry, but I can't tell you!" instead of making stuff up. I don't trust large groups of people, or people who act as a unit. I trust individuals more.
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Unmoved Moderator Posts: 2025 From: Registered: May 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 06:34 PM
I thought it was very interesting what GV said because I never thought of myself as very Saturnine. But, it would seem that I DO exhibit the trust aspect of Saturn. IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 4591 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 06:53 PM
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Predominantlyfire Full-of-sh1t.
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Ami Anne Knowflake Posts: 1263 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted September 28, 2010 06:55 PM
Unmoved Tomorrow , I am gonna look at your chart on the other thread about your guy LOL I may come back and ask you some questions about some things you wrote here, if that is OK. ------------------ Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend. IP: Logged |
Lonake Knowflake Posts: 1999 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted September 28, 2010 06:57 PM
quote: Someone once told me that when you fall in love, it is child to child.
I love this IP: Logged |