posted October 03, 2010 01:54 AM            

Cancer/4th house: Inner self v outer world. This water influence wants to stay inside.

Scorpio/8th house/Pluto: Self v Other.
This water influence is focused on relationship. It only wants to share the parts of itself that it feels "belong" with the other person. It's possessive of its privacy bc sharing brings such great intimacy.

posted October 03, 2010 03:51 AM            

I see what you mean by your example above.

I'm intensely private/introverted. My motivation behind it is, gaining intellectual knowledge (Libra stellium) in-order to manifest/materialize creations (Virgo/Cap) & lead (1H stellium)...<--and that's according to Mark Husson. lol.

12H Virgo Sun,
4H Cappy Moon,
1H Libra stellium,

Asc conj Saturn/Mercury by 1 deg.
Moon sq. Venus-Pluto

posted October 03, 2010 06:33 AM            

I have done all the "right" things in my life i.e lived from an outer perspective /what society told me I should do.

Now, I crave for my OWN 8th house planets to come out of repression.I have to be REAL,in a way that makes sense to me.

The 8th house represses planets . They must strive to bring themselves to individuation i.e be an individual in their own right not a carbon copy of what they are supposed to be.

To be a genuine person, to me, is seeing and owning all your sides.

I pushed down most of my sides.

I have Sun(ego), Moon(heart) and Mercury(mind) in the 8th house.

Each has to be it's own person.That means accepting all that it is.
Maturity is accepting who you ARE, fully. Then, choosing who you want to be i.e. what you want to express.

I have Neptune in the 12th . My spirituality is the most important part of my life.
If I had to chose God's will over anything else, I would do it.
I know how horrible life is when you go against God's will which is clearly in sight.

I paid for that with a horrible marriage and a horrible tragedy.

My 12th house has Neptune in it, as I said.
Neptune is my most aspected planet.

I have trines from the Sun and Mercury which are in the 8th house.

If I had to live just a life with God,alone, I could do it.
If I added music(Neptune) that would help.

I would like to find a man who would be an 8th house relationship,though.The criterion would be 8th house criterion.
We would have to be REAL with each other.We could learn who we were from sharing with each other.
I have that ,now,even though it is in the baby stage of a relationship.
I wonder if people can even grow and change without another person.
I don't know.
Maybe, you have to show who you ARE to someone else. They have to mirror you back to yourself.
I don't know. What does anyone think?
It seems like ONCE you see yourself, you HAVE yourself back.
I don't know if anyone even knows what I am talking about LOL

I am a Cancer moon . I make a nest with the people I love.
I would do anything for them. I love them to the best of my ability.

It seems I always have special people in my nest.

posted October 03, 2010 10:19 AM            

i am both private and open! pisces moon in the first house offset by aqua rising; mars in cancer will bottle up if prodded! leo sun/pluto (7th) is sometimes very outgoing and center-stage hogging; other times playing very close to the chest. because it is in 7th this often projects onto my closest companions whoever they may be!

also i think my retrocappy jupiter in the 12th makes for a tendency to keep a lot on the psychic level...! venus in virgo on the 8th house cusp is also pretty "circumspect" which involves a certain amount of secrecy if not privacy.

posted October 03, 2010 11:41 PM            

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Cancer/4th house: Inner self v outer world. This water influence wants to stay inside.

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I've missed a more public learning/working environment, for a while now - at least at times - but I used to love working at home. I like having a certain amount of time to myself, and being able to work when I want to work, versus somebody else telling me when I should be doing something. I would get lost in artwork, or pick up something new to study in the middle of the night, just because it looked interesting. Mars in the 4th house, in Pisces.

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Pisces/12th house/Neptune: Material v Spiritual. This water influence is focused on substance. It doesn't want to emerge too fully in the material world bc that could damage the connection with the spiritual world.

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I need a certain amount of time to myself - as I've mentioned before, I was agoraphobic for a time, and very isolated for a while - so much that even a few days around my family, during a holiday, started to grate on me (I love them, but I'd grown used to it being mostly me and the animals, with most contact being via the telephone). Now, I see it as a treat to just go to the bookstore, and sit for a while in the cafe area, or sit on the floor next to one of the shelves...

When I would get lost in my art, it was like an active meditation for me. I could work with people around me, or by myself throughout the night, crawling into bed with my cats at around 5am-6am. Since I wasn't so scattered, I would actually read one book at a time, and read well into the night. I loved reading for several hours after midnight, with enough light to read, and the windows open, listening to the sprinklers whenever they came on - or to snuggle into bed watching a snowstorm, as the snow fell in front of a street light, reminding me of Christmas.

My favourite things to do here, are to go out into the garden by myself, and sit there reading, or just listening to the creatures out there. The animals would come out with me, and I had to time it so that I could get a certain amount of time out there alone; I knew that if my mother came out, we would end up talking (which is great, because we laugh, and I love her), but I needed just a little bit of time for myself. I lost a lot of that time this year, because I wasn't out there early enough, or I dealt with dizzy spells which kept me in with the air conditioning.
(I have Uranus in the 12th - not sure exactly what to think there...)

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Scorpio/8th house/Pluto: Self v Other.
This water influence is focused on relationship. It only wants to share the parts of itself that it feels "belongs" with the other person. It's possessive of its privacy bc sharing brings such great intimacy.

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This was a part that I originally left in, so I hadn't included it in the part that I saved (in case I wanted to edit it down, and re-post it). This was where I'd mentioned that I'd been vulnerable and open about several things with someone - things I don't often talk about with many people - and I'd said to them, "I didn't tell you all that for fun, you know!" I have Moon, Venus, South Node and Vertex, all conjunct in the 8th. I feel flattered when someone confides in me - tells me things that they wouldn't ordinarily bring up with just anyone. There's a real intimacy in that for me, and it is special.

So sorry for editing. It used to be that I could pull up an old, edited post from google chrome, in the 'history' part, but I can't do that anymore.

posted October 04, 2010 12:32 AM            

Elegant analysis! (Seeing your placements, I understand why. )

posted October 04, 2010 12:53 AM            

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It seems like ONCE you see yourself, you HAVE yourself back.
I don't know if anyone even knows what I am talking about

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Do you mean like my using five different photos, from when I was a child, when I started to get over my agoraphobia? I've been trying to connect back to that little girl, but for the most part, have felt the disconnect that has existed for a long time -she's there in a lot of ways, except for the confidence socially.

Whenever I feel very low, or I'm dealing with something that has me wishing I was no longer here - or just wanting to give up in some way - I look at a picture like this one and remind myself that that little girl wouldn't do this or that - she wouldn't give up, and she deserves better. When I can connect to that confidence and peacefulness that was inherent in me when I was younger, I feel totally at home, no matter where I am, or who I'm with.

posted October 04, 2010 12:57 AM            

They seem like a mix to me. Straightforward, so open. But aware of what's proper, so controlled.

So I'd say the feminine elements are the most private, for their own reasons.

Water: The experience of sharing is intense.
Earth: They're introverted so don't feel a need to push all that they are to the surface. They let what's proper guide their expression.

And the masculine are the most open.
Fire: Self-expression is paramount.
Air: Social. Driven to connect. Since the connection occurs on a light level, it feels good.

From the two groups, I find similarities between:
Water & Air (These two seem more aware of the Other.)
Fire & Earth (These two seem more focused on the Self.)

posted October 04, 2010 01:06 AM            

Aww, you're so cute!

posted October 04, 2010 01:14 AM            

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But I still won't tell you anything!

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posted October 04, 2010 01:42 AM            

I remembered something on-topic, as I walked away. When I was small, my Dad ran a Sprouse Reitz store in California; he would take us in there, and we would play and talk to the people in the store, whilst he and my mum worked. (I got into a bit of trouble there, involving hamsters - I've just remembered that too. I accidentally set them free.) Anyway, one day, I decided that I wanted some time to myself, so I grabbed a Little Golden Book, and hid myself away in a rack of clothing. I accidentally caused a stir, when they couldn't find me.

posted October 04, 2010 01:53 AM            

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I got into a bit of trouble there, involved hamsters

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You are so kinky!

posted October 04, 2010 05:12 AM            

Thank you for all you said. You have a balm that settles on me, sometimes.
It must be the Scorpio/Pluto.
A well integrated Scorpio/Pluto is a healer.
I see that.
I have another friend with a Pluto trine the Sun(1 degree),my darling friend, Diablo.
When I get her e mails, I feel a little better, walk a little taller and feel more OK to just be me.
That is Scorpio/Pluto energy at it's best.
Thank you for being you

posted October 04, 2010 05:21 AM            

I hate to say that (cuz it is SO Plutonian ) but it is true.

Life demands that you use your PLuto. Pluto understands the law of the jungle.

Pluto is not pretty. It is hard. It is cold. It sees the worst of life.
It sees ugly.

I wish the world were like Heaven. In Heaven, everyone will be Neptunian lol

However,NOW, you better use Pluto or you will suffer like I did.

I thought a mother, father and husband could be trusted. That was a fairy tale(Neptune) but not a real fairy tale like Hansel and Gretyl.

The real ones tell about life and life is Pluto ,too.

posted October 04, 2010 05:30 AM            

They are repressed SO they are different in their nature.

They just ARE that way. There is no right or wrong ,good or bad in it.

I ,only have Neptune in the 12th so cannot speak to 12th house planets cuz Neptune is comfortable there.

Pluto would not be at home there so your task, over and over, would be to bring Pluto OUT.
Pluto is submerged. He does not like this cuz he is THE powerhouse lol
When you feel "screwed up" with your power like "Am I too paranoid or too innocent or too giving", this would be Pluto in the 12th,I think.

It is something you will have to deal with like one leg that is shorter than the other lol

It will demand attention, care, time and thought.
Certain things in our charts are just like that.
They are infirmities, in a way. However, we have to attend to them to unlock ourselves.

I have to think that God made our charts and made us so you can never explain "Why" someone has this chart or another.

You just have to accept the good and bad in it.

I am starting to do that.

My mother had a hard chart and her sister had an easy one.
My Aunt slid through life ,if you could say that.
My mother went through on her rear end with grass stains lol

Anyway, trying to get my 8th house planets out of repression was what gave me the ideas I shared.
to you, Jane

posted October 04, 2010 10:43 PM            

I'm a taurus cap aqua to be very general, but I'm very mentally and emotionally introverted rather than socially I suppose you could say.

I do have sat/uranus/neptune in the 12th ( i NEED privacy and alone time to function)

posted October 04, 2010 11:50 PM            

I am very private about metaphysical matters outside of Astrology. I don't feel comfortable sharing that deepest part of my self with others including in this forum. I just don't think that it's anybody's business. Also my concerns about psychiatry is factor.

It doesn't mean that I don't have a clue about this stuff like at least one person in this forum assumes.

I have 2 transneptunian dwarf planets in the 12th house
Makemake in 16'20 Leo in 12th
conjunct/oppose Antivertex/Vertex in 14'58 Leo/Aquarius
square Mercury in 18'21 Scorpio in 2nd
sextile Uranus in 15'17 Libra in 2nd

Haumea in 11'16 Virgo in 12th
conjunct/oppose Ascendant/Descendant in 13'27 Virgo/Pisces
square Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14 Gemini/Sagittarius

I have a transneptunian dwarf planet and a transneptunian dwarf planet candidate in my 8th house

dwarf planet Eris in 12'15 Aries in 8th
sextile/trine Midheaven/Imum Coeli in 11'14
sextile/trine Lunar Nodes in 10'30 Aquarius/Leo in 5th/11th
biquintile Mercury - '06

dwarf planet candidate Sedna in 2'06 Taurus R in 8th
sextile Moon in 3'11 Pisces in 6th

If astrologers only looked at me through the mainstream 20th Century Astrology they wouldn't have a damned clue about the deepest aspects of myself because of ignoring the 21st Century transneptunian objects.

I don't view Pluto as a planet. It's not a planet. It's a dwarf planet. It's pretender,deceiver just as it was discovered during Sun-Neptune opposition. Astronomers didn't know that Pluto had other neighbors in its vicinity until 1992. Now they have found over 1,000 objects.

I don't even think Pluto should rule any signs. What about the 1,000 other transneptunian objects including the big ones? Shouldn't they get rulerships too?
Eris,Makemake,and Haumea are on the same level as Pluto because they are dwarf planets. Even asteroid Ceres is an asteroid.
Technically, there are over 70 transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.

Can you blame me with having problems with Pluto ruling any sign.

Pluto's rulership was based on ignorance.....ignorance of other transneptunian objects existence
even in 1992.....and even in 2000,when astronomers started finding big transneptunian objects, astrologers still had their heads in the sand and ignored that they exist. Only then when a transneptunian object was found to be larger than Pluto, the astrological community started paying attention. "Size doesn't matter" my ass.

astrologers just assigned rulership without even observing Pluto's full travel around the Sun

I get accused of being rigid, but I am not the one that is clings onto the past. I progress into the future. I see so-called Aquarians/Uranians that don't even do that. Maybe that's how my very strong 21st Century transneptunian influence makes a difference in that way.

Oh..then there is a certain somebody in this forum who acts like his sh-t doesn't stink and he gets treated like some guru (people totally kissing his ass and sucking his dick) even though he talks down to people for not sharing his beliefs,views about astrology,pointing out people's afflicted aspects to dismiss them like they don't have a clue about what they are talking about and accusing them of having lack of understanding of spiritual things and validated his own righteous

the hell with that sh-t! hypocritical self righteous prick! he's no better than Venusdeindia aka Venusdelyonesse who left the forum for good, calling people "pathetic retards" ,telling that she's going to another astrology forum to be with much more spiritually advanced people. This woman would go nuts and call people names for saying things that she doesn't agree as well as point out the truth about things like the Dalit/Untouchable situation in India.

Her ass was totally kissed. I certainly didn't kiss her ass. I certainly don't kiss IQ's ass. I don't expect anybody to kiss mine.

I just see such double standards that I am so f-cken irritated.

I think astrologers should get with the modern times because ignoring these transneptunian objects make us look damned ignorant to astronomers and others that are skeptical/critical of Astrology

mainstream astrologers aren't much different from the Vedic Astrologers who don't even use Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto because it doesn't fit neatly into their system.

Mainstream astrological society are hypocritical for most part

"oh..size doesn't count
I don't care what astronomy"

obviously they do
they are just selective

after all, it was astronomers that discovered Uranus,Neptune,and Pluto and the astrologers use these objects in their astrology

futhermore, astronomers demoted Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta from planet to asteroid

what do you know...astrologers follow suit. Ceres,Pallas,Juno,and Vesta aren't used as planets in Astrology

psychiatrists don't give a damn if we have nicely aspected outerplanets/transneptunians or "afflicted outerplanets/transneptunians"

They would see us all as psychotics,schizophrenics,and delusional people.

How is that for
no-computer/tech speak, Lonake???

Raymond

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No..I am not a Virgo.