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Topic: Venus-Mars or Venus-Pluto in Synastry
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meta_4
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posted October 05, 2010 10:26 PM
  
I wanted to bring up the matter of WHO is who in these contacts. In most of my most potent attractions and liaisons, I've been Mars and he's been Venus, I've been Pluto and he's been Venus. What does this cause? Well, I DOMINATE! I think this causes extra tension, really, because the "natural" roles are reversed. It makes for a more "uncomfortable" attraction. You don't really know how to respond to your own feelings, or each other. You don't know what to do with all the tension welling up inside of your... loins.  When I've been Venus (and he's been Mars/Pluto) it's just an easy attraction. It flows better. It's an unspoken understanding that I want you and you want me, and we're both okay with that. I think when the roles are reversed, THAT'S when things get interesting, THAT'S when obsession kicks in, THAT'S when you've got your Victorian novel drama! Wasn't it your, ORBM, that said that obsession occurs when there is no outlet for the tension of your feelings? I'm pretty sure it was, in another thread. This is all in MY experience, of course. But perhaps it depends on natal chart, and blah blah blah. IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 05, 2010 10:33 PM
I dont have his birth time YET! But I know Saturn wont really change , from the time..
So I checked our Dr synastry.. O LORD your correct his Sun,Saturn and Mercury conjuncts my Stellium Sun,moon,mercury. All of this in Libra. venus conjunct venus
his mars conjuncts my Dsc
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Ami Anne
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posted October 05, 2010 10:47 PM
Dear Meta
In my relationship , *I* am the Pluto and *I* am the planet person ,too,cuz we have so many Pluto/planet connections.
We have a Pluto/Venus trine. I am the Venus.
However, *I* am the Pluto in an exact Mars Pluto square.
I am the moon in an exact Moon/Pluto Square.
I am Pluto in a Pluto /moon conjunction. All in all, I feel like Venus, though.
Maybe, it is cuz my unaspected Venus is aspected by his Pluto in an exact trine.
Maybe, the unaspected planet is different when it gets aspected.
I think it is.
An unaspected Venus is strange. It can pull in and be aloof but when it is aspected by a Pluto, forget aloofness 
PS I am still thinking about your student Visa, Meta
I assume you will let us know when you get it.
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Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend.
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Betty Boop
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posted October 05, 2010 10:55 PM
lol "small" difference she calls it!Welcome Fenia!! ORBM  I have both of these aspects in natal and I've experienced them in synastry. The only thing I could add to ORBM's awesome post - is that natal aspects sometimes count more than the synastry.
Having Venus/Mars or Venus/Pluto in synastry - does not feel like 'enough' for me.. if the person I share this aspect with does not have a similar Venus cocktail to my own.
I have Venus/Mars, Venus/NN, Venus/Neptune and Venus/Pluto aspects in natal. He would have to have at least a couple of these ^ in his own chart to really understand my emotions and desires. I've experienced Mars/Venus with a guy who could never understand my desires and how deep the rabbit hole goes - because our Venuses are EXTREMELY different. (both sign wise and aspect wise - in our individual charts). IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars
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posted October 05, 2010 11:32 PM
Meta...
Hey boo.. 
Yeah I did say that. I have said that, its funny you remember. Because if the woman finds that she is Pluto and he is Venus and yet society has made her feel that it is wrong to be Pluto and of course the man unless he is passive will be uncomfortable with the role.
Thats why I think the DW is better, it equals out the playing feel. Making you both responsible and therefore when balance is found the relationship becomes vehicle for rebirth and transformation instead of just destruction.Lioness!
I knew it..well there you go ...and that Venus conjunct Venus and Mars conj Desc makes it very comfortable.
Now wonder he came back. Keep me posted I want to know how this plays out...what is his Sun and Moon Sign? Betty:
I totally agree with you. In my relationship the Mars and Venus are Fire and Water respectively, they are trine and conjunct each other, but Venus/Venus and Mars/Mars are Pisces/Aries and Scorpio/Aries...I like this little bit of friction though...kind of adds a little spice to it...but I must say if the easier connections were there it wouldnt be as much fun.
You are right though we have simliar cocktails.
I have Pisces/Aries and he has Scorpio/Aries...so we understand that...I like the word cocktail..I might be borrowing that one from you.
Venus/Pluto is that way too for us both...mine being Pisces/Libra and his being Aries/Virgo....craziness how those patterns are so clear when you look at them like that.
Thank you for sharing that! IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 05, 2010 11:43 PM
ORBMMWill do.. I have a feeling this in not going to be a short story.. His sun is 0Cancer.. His moon not sure I dont know his birth time at 1200 it comes up as late Cancer also, but I bet its either Cancer or Leo... Got to get his time.. IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars
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posted October 05, 2010 11:51 PM
That is a very powerful Sun..he was born on the Summer Soltice...nice, things like that appear to give certain souls that "special" twinkle in there eye...or spring there step, or sparkle in there smile...its like that movie "There is something about Mary"...there is definitely something about those soltice babies... IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 05, 2010 11:59 PM
What you know him?? LOL... I was thinking about his moon... I wonder if its in Leo, he's into music and working on an album.. He invited me to go to the studio with him.. He does give me LOTS of attention... Hummmm... He leaves hour long voice messages (back then) he calls texts me all day... IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars
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posted October 06, 2010 12:03 AM
Lol....yeah..I hooked up with his brother Mark...LOL...
Awww he is sweet...sounds like a keeper...god thats the only thing if my man could sing he would be perfect...but I will take 90%, thats more than most...LOL....You have a huge crush on him....! how cute I can feel it...awww IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars
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posted October 06, 2010 12:05 AM
I LOVE water sign men..they speak straight to my heart when they are confident enough to speak! LOLIP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 06, 2010 12:15 AM
Well this does go back over 13 years ago.. We have a history here.. He broke my heart back then... but we were young.. BUT Im not sure if I can trust him... He had a lot of lies going on..... When I found out I ended it.. He came back, but I wouldn't forgive him.. He went away, then came back after I got married.. I said no to him again.. He went away.. then he would call me every once in a while to "check in" leaving me long messages, about what he's been up to.... Until I changed my number.. I always thought what if.. I even kept his pictures in my desk at work, all these years.... Now both of us are available.. We are talking regularly.. Im worried about seeing him though.... I think I need to invest in a chastity belt... LOL.. cuz yeah hummm thats gonna be well hummmm Venus sq Mars ... Im mars so yeah I probably will rush it.. Add that to all my leo, damn no waiting period... LOL.......... I always wondered why I was sexually aggressive with him... Which was a first for me.... I thought he was just passive... NOW I know... blushing
Water men are my weakness.. ALSO.. Pisces guy sun is 0Pisces... Those cusps just love my 2can venus..
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oneruledbymars
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posted October 06, 2010 12:21 AM
LOL...I love it..
A lioness on the prowl. If you kept his pictures that means you always felt a connection that you wouldnt let go of. Im curious...are there any Venus/Pluto connections?I would watch and wait and see if you feel like he has changed. Us lionesses have a way of knowing when a man is being honest because we find ourselves having to be completely honest...no games no ************ . Im not sure if I would wear the chasity belt though..I mean sex is only sex unless you attach another meaning to it...and if you have needs and he is single and you are single...sex shouldnt kill what you have or will have...Im just saying...LOL IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted October 06, 2010 12:35 AM
O dont get me wrong its not like I dont want to... I just dont want him to hurt me again.. OR rush into anything.. But well considering all that Leo I have.. It will go more like so should we still go out.... Its funny one of my friends, said she doesnt really remember anything about him.. She only remembers the back of his head, bc we would go straight to the room...... Pluto Aspects.
My venus sq his Pluto
his sun sq my pluto.. Here is the link to the synastry... Check it out and let me know what u see...
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/205667.html IP: Logged |
oneruledbymars
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posted October 06, 2010 01:01 AM
Ok I see what your saying. He is all over your Venus and his Moon falls in your 5th house and his Pluto is in your 7th...People with that much Cancer tend to be sort of brooding if you know what I mean...so I dont know what to say about this. My Aries energy makes me confront anything head on...and I revel in adventures...but you must do what you must to protect your heart.
If you really have a thing for him casual sex might not be the answer.
Thats funny your friend said she only saw the back of his head! lol..
Its fair enough to say that this time he must buy the cow before he gets the milk. Plus you definitely need to see if he has made changes in his habits...thats what comes across loud and clear for me.
And that will take time and conversation...
Ive learned the hard way that when a man really wants to commit himself to you and being together, he will do anything it takes...so put your chasity belt on girl but dont wear it to tight.....he might just surprise you and sweep you off your feet...LOL Cancers are hopeless romantics and he is ALOT of Cancer! lol IP: Logged |
fenia
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From: athens greece
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posted October 06, 2010 09:07 AM
Ami Anne Quote:
All in all, I feel like Venus, though.
Maybe, it is cuz my unaspected Venus is aspected by his Pluto in an exact trine.
Maybe, the unaspected planet is different when it gets aspected.
I think it is.
An unaspected Venus is strange. It can pull in and be aloof but when it is aspected by a Pluto, forget aloofness That intrigues me now, because i have my pluto trine his venus and he doesn't have it.. I guess i'm more obsessed then? How does it work for you that you are the venus? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 06, 2010 09:13 AM
Dear Fenia
We have many different Pluto aspects. *I* am the Pluto in the Pluto/Mars square(exact) *I* am the Pluto in the Pluto/moon conjunction.He is the Pluto in the Pluto/Venus trine(exact) He is the Pluto is the Pluto/moon square(exact). Ok, this is my theory, Fenia. THE most powerful part of the whole thing for ME is when my unaspected Venus gets aspected by his Pluto. This is like the foundation on my house cuz an unaspected planet kind of flies around without grounding. So, I am the Venus ,in synastry, before I am any of the other planets.
As far as obsessed? I try to glue myself to the chair so I don't think about it  Fenia---What other Pluto things do you have in synastry?
What is the story with the relationship, too? IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 06, 2010 10:07 AM
Ami,Thank you for keeping the Visa in your thoughts. I made a lot of head-way yesterday, so I will hopefully here the verdict (pray it's good news!) today. I have a question about your synastry-- when you first met, when the relationship was first starting out, what did it feel like? Was it initial attraction? Was it overwhelming, scary? And what's his side of the story, how did he feel at the beginning? Who pursued whom? IP: Logged |
meta_4
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posted October 06, 2010 10:10 AM
ORBM,Hey, hey, hey lover boyyy!!!  When are we going to go dancing and break some hearts? Oh THAT'S RIGHT, you've found Mister Perfect already (I saw your sexy Composite!). So I guess this Leo is on her own. Well, that's fine by me! Kicking you out removes some competition.  Anywho, enough of my flirting. You said that it's better to have the DW-- would you then consider relationships that have reversed roles without the DW unbalanced? I'm not in a relationship with this or anything, so don't feel like you have to monitor your answer. I'm just curious, because I'm always attracted to these scenarios, and perhaps it's a lesson I need to learn! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 06, 2010 10:11 AM
Ummmm
I appreciate the questions but feel I don't want to get that specific I think about your Visa a lot . I hope I am wrong and it comes much earlier lol
Put it on your thread when it comes . ------------------
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oneruledbymars
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posted October 06, 2010 10:49 AM
Meta...
That composite is a mess!
LOL.. anyway it doesnt matter...we can leave him at home.
You know my Sag moon cant be tied down...even if he is Mr Perfect. *wink*Yeah I feel like there would be an imbalance.
But that is only if the person has a veiled conscious.
If they are unaware then they are at the mercy of the Energies.
But if they are Spiritualy evolved and heart centered then I feel like the Energies are in place to help balance out Karma. But ultimately I would have to scan the people and the relationship and then usually I can tell you exactly why they chose to meet up with these Energies.
But I do find that it exists more commonly in relationships where the two people are very 3D.
In your case I think it maybe that you are balancing out your Karma in pastlives where you were dominated...you needed this connection so that when you find a balanced one you will not sell your Soul as it were, but maintain the boundaries necessary for Ascension. I would need to look closer at your chart, because I could be wrong...Im just learning to home these spidey skills of mine..lol
xoxo Ami Anne,
I replied to your pic analysis, again you were spot on...Work it girl...lol
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Ami Anne
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posted October 06, 2010 10:55 AM
Thank you so much ,ORBM
I NEVER got info from looking at a pix before.
It was amazing.
It was like the picture was communicating to me lol
I think that the person's energy is in the picture.
The Amish and American Indians will not let anyone take their picture for this reason, I think.
They think their energy leaves with the picture.
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fenia
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posted October 06, 2010 11:34 AM
Ami Anne
My mercury opposites his pluto,
my pluto trines his jupiter and venus,
my pluto squares his saturn
and his pluto conjuct my saturn. Then there are his pluto with my asteroids aspects..
I think we have a deep and passionate relationship, that's why i look at pluto aspects, but we are both plutonian intense people as well,so..
We also have a lot of Saturn, like
My saturn square his mars and North node and conjuct his lilith..
My favorites are my uranos conjuct his mars and my mars square his moon.I think it gives me power over him..IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted October 06, 2010 11:43 AM
Wow, Fenia.
I am gonna think about these aspects. It is quite a soup 
I will be back to ask you some questions about them .------------------
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Aries_girl
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posted October 06, 2010 12:57 PM
Fenia,
I think that it is the same for both of us.
Can anyone tell me is the same if a woman's venus conj a man's descend and a man's venus conj a woman's descend? what does it mean for each case?IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20
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posted October 06, 2010 01:07 PM
"In most of my most potent attractions and liaisons, I've been Mars and he's been Venus, I've been Pluto and he's been Venus. What does this cause? Well, I DOMINATE! I think this causes extra tension, really, because the "natural" roles are reversed. It makes for a more "uncomfortable" attraction. You don't really know how to respond to your own feelings, or each other. You don't know what to do with all the tension welling up inside of your... loins."This is soooo true for me. My Mars is Conjunct my Sun and Asc so it's pretty powerful, and I can't help but REALLY want a guy when my Mars touches anything of his. When it's my Venus I'm not crazy sexually attracted to them, but I am attracted to them. I tend to become the more sexually aggressive one just because of my placements even if the guy has an Aries Mars lol. I know with a guy I'm sorta attracted to now we have a lot of Pluto going on including Mars and Venus Pluto. BUT his Saturn is Opp my Mars...so it's hard. I just want him and it's not really working out to be pleasant lol. I basically have to initiate EVERYTHING! I have the Aqua ex I've talked about we had a bunch of Pluto stuff going on, including a Pluto Venus aspect (I was Pluto, he was Venus), and a Mars Venus aspect (again I was Mars, he was Venus). And for me it really was passionate...and some of the best sex I've ever had lol. I think it was for him, but I'm not too sure. His Mars didn't touch my Venus other than a Semi-Sextile. And a few years ago I dated a Sag and we had a Venus Pluto aspect (the conjunction, I was pluto he was Venus), and my Mars Trined his Venus, and again some of the best sex I've ever had (both the Sag and Aqua and I also had a Mars/Pluto aspect). Those two aspects together tend to make me NEVER forget them, and flat out want them. But its not just sexual (although yes that has a LOT to do with it lol), but its more like I couldn't even be around them without wanting to rip their cloths off. But if I had to choose I'd deff go with Venus Pluto anyday. But the harsh aspects are so much harder than the softer aspects.
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