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fenia
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posted October 05, 2010 07:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fenia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Both enhance sexual attraction to the relationship but what's the small difference here?

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posted October 05, 2010 08:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never had Venus /Mars so I cannot say.


In synastry, I have Pluto /Venus, Pluto/Mars and Pluto/Moon

I think I can feel the differences in them.

I have had Pluto square Mars before. It feels like ego clashes,power plays,power pulls, power grabs, power releases , and power grabs ,again.
It is the energy of passion with a sense that it could go over the cliff if you are not careful.
It is the passion of fighting and then falling in to each other's arms i.e passion after a fight.

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posted October 05, 2010 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have a Venus/Pluto trine(exact) in synastry. He is the Pluto. I have an unaspected Venus.

This one does not have the ego combativeness feel of the Mars/Pluto square.
It would be grand passion like when Rhett picked Scarlett up and took her up the stairs lol


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posted October 05, 2010 08:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My absolute favorite is Moon/Pluto. In synastry, we have a DW.
My Pluto conjuncts his moon at my MC.His Pluto squares my moon(exact)

This one is a feeling I have never had. It has all of the power of the Pluto square Mars but not the combativeness.
To me ,it feels tender like when you saw your baby for the first time or when you loved someone so dearly your heart swelled.
This I have only had for a very few people: my grandmother and my children.
It is a combination of very tender and very powerful.
This would be when you want to just sit and touch his face ,wash his hair or give him a bath like a baby lol

I feel like I can separate them and the different feelings/senses they give like various spices or different flavors.



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posted October 05, 2010 09:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good points Ami Anee

Fenia...Mars/Venus is just raw atttraction. Sort of like when you see someone and they are just unbelievably attractive to you for what ever reason...you know the kind where you are like OMG..he is so ******* hott!..And when he smiles at you or give you attention you just absolutely swoon and it takes months..sometimes years (or maybe only a week if he is a loser..lol...) before the butterflies in your stomach calm down. Its almost like you cant say no to them if you wanted to.
Here is a good example...you know those dates you go on and you kiss them on the cheek and thank them for a nice date. But you dont want them to come in. You will probably ask them out on another date or accept the invitation if they do, but your intent on taking it slow, at least that what you tell yourself...when actually you just arent really attracted to him.
Ok well Venus/Mars is that date where you are so enamored with them the entire date and you think they are so hot that by the time you get alone you can barely contain yourself and when you finally kiss...its like fire.
I find that no Venus/Mars connection make it hard for you to find fulfillment in the relationship even if you do find them attractive physically...its then usually one sided...where he is just "not that into you", for whatever reasons he finds or vice versa...its just not there Energetically, and you find out pretty quickly.
I can promise you, you will never forget the sex you had with a Mars/Venus conjunction though even if you go your seperate ways this is the one you will always say you had "amazing sex" with.
In the long term it can be a little harder to maintain as a stand alone Energy than Venus/Pluto passion for longevitity as it has to be constantly approached from a higher dimension...only looking at it in the 3rd dimension can cause either of you to mishandle the inherent intensity of your attraction...it stands that even if this person isnt physically your ideal. You wont care...you will still think they are hot...Mars embodies the masculine and Venus the feminine so naturally the Mars has more control here...but all the factors must be considered in the chart because I find that it can go either way...all the same its still noted that someone takes the lead and 80 percent of the time is Mars.

Pluto-Venus has a slightly different feel. Its more emotional. So right off the bat you can see that this connection will take you deeper, while Venus/Mars allows you to stay surface and may even inhibit you from going deeper because you are caught up in all the hotness...Pluto-Venus is designed to push past the hotness...this is the person that hold you after sex, not because they are cuddling even if its what they think it is..its really because the subconsciously want to possess you but dont get me wrong there is comfort in being wanted. Here Pluto has the all the control though...Mars and Venus may be 60/40.....Pluto-Venus is more like 75/25...thats why I feel that this one is better handled as a DW...it feels better when both have the power that way there is more balance. Because Pluto here can see right through to the heart of who Venus is...nothing is hidden...and with that ability comes the ability to control for better or for worse and often times especially in 3D consciousness it is for worse.
This tie is found more in Soulmate/Twinflame relationships because it is necessary for the channel of transformation and regeneration...death and rebirth on a spiritual level is constantly happening here. And thats what Soulmate/Twinflame relationships are all about. They are a vehicle for the fast track of your souls growth, because they deepen over time and the depth seals the bond by teaching both the meaning of unconditional love... To have these connections in Synastry is and earned gift I feel because of its Karmic implications.. Venus-Mars connections spin tires...its fun for the moment but does nothing really for your soul growth besides opening your 8th Chakra up. Here Venus is refined through the alchemy of Pluto and learns exactly what love is and is not and Pluto tends to have a more obsessive quality in there attraction than Venus but Venus adores the attention... Pluto here must face all of his darker issues and lots of realease work must be done so that he is able to transmute his lower level Energies or else be at the mercy of them and stifle what could have been his ticket to ascension.

Hope this helps you...they are my two favorite connections in Synastry..I prefer to have both...here is a simple analogy incase I totally confused you...

Venus/Mars- Quickie...wham bam thank you mam...
Venus/Pluto- They make love..slow and tender, hard and long..

Either way if you have one or more of these connections in your Synastry or Composite your gonna have good sex.

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posted October 05, 2010 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ORBM,

I was getting sucked into your description. Absolutely on spot for me.

and now I want to read the Sun-Pluto, Sun-Mars, Sun-Venus and Mars-Pluto please.

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posted October 05, 2010 09:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow,ORBM
That was great. Thank you
You know when I read it, I realize *I* am not strong enough ,inside, to handle that energy.
I am not quite there ,yet.
YOU have to be strong as a person cuz the energy is kind of tidal wave

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posted October 05, 2010 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries_girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if you have opposition between venus and pluto at synastry what does it mean?

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Ami Anne
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posted October 05, 2010 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will share this vision/impression I had. I asked God WHEN I would be ready for a real ,committed relationship with a man.

This was the impression I got back. I was lying in bed next to the person I love. I was looking in to his eyes but I was whole, authentic in who I was.
I felt that sense of strength, groundedness, centeredness in myself that I used to have so long ago.
I know where I want to go. I will know when I get there.
Then, I will be ready for the powerhouse of energies that the synastry has.
Pluto is not for the faint of heart.You need to have your feet on the ground so when the tidal wave washes over you, you are still standing.

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posted October 05, 2010 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls*     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus/mars is a bit more superficial (note that I said a BIT more) than Venus/Pluto because of the natures of pluto and mars. Mars is easier to handle.

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Ami Anne
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posted October 05, 2010 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't have opposites between Venus and Pluto.
Hmmm---you know I can't answer it.
I look forward to someone's answer lol

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posted October 05, 2010 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In synastry i have:
my venus cj his mars 0'
my pluto/uranus square his venus 1'

I like both and sometimes l feel the aspects meld and sometimes l feel them separately.
I feel pluto more intensely as it rules my 4th. venus/mars is a bit like rose-coloured glasses maybe?

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oneruledbymars
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posted October 05, 2010 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries girl...its nearly the same as the Conjunction it just requires more balance...the Energy is avaiable and as strong as or maybe even stronger than conjunction but the lesson to learn balance to acess it...but balance is the key to life so thats why I tend to favor them in Synastry especially between Soulmates and Twinflames.

DD...your so cute...go for it lets post each connection and then expound on it...lol..class begins..

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DD
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posted October 05, 2010 01:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DD     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, ORBM,

I want to hear your view on this. It`s like hearing a great, intense, truthful story. So I am just leaning back for now.


BTW one musical actor has some of these constellations with my chart.

His Venus conjunct my Venus
his Venus square my Pluto
his Mars square my Venus
his Mars conjunct my Pluto exact
his Eros conjunct my Venus exact

I learned from experience that I cannot be in the first few rows when he is on stage, the energy is just too much.

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posted October 05, 2010 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries_girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oneruledbymars thank you! I can feel this aspect.

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posted October 05, 2010 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for racole12     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm trying to figure out the Pluto/Venus aspect since I have experienced the conj and opp in two separate relationships. I think it depends on the rest of the aspects...

With Guy1 I had the Venus/Pluto conj we also had
Psyche opp Eros
Pluto conj Mars

With the other Guy2 I had the Venus/Pluto Opp we also had
Psyche conj Eros
Venus conj Uranus
Mars trine Pluto
Venus square Mars

I rather have a relationship with Guy2... I feel like we are two opposite ends of a magnet, constantly being pulled to each other...

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posted October 05, 2010 04:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for angel100     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Great question Venus and Mars in synastry for me has always meant sexy and fun but they don't hold a candle to the experiences I have when I share venus pluto synastry with another....I think venus and mars synastry is instant, you just find them sexually exciting and attractive on a physical level almost straight away. Venus and pluto connections however get stronger over time. You may not even really get on with them in the friendship sense or even be able to have a civil conversation but over spending time with that person you will find yourself getting "sucked in" somehow, like a vacuum effect, at least this is what it has been like for me. Venus/Mars attractions fade imo and venus/pluto just keep on getting stronger and stronger under the surface.

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posted October 05, 2010 04:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fenia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oneruledbymars,
thank you so much! It was great analysis. The fact that my pluto trines his venus means i want him more. damn it!

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posted October 05, 2010 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries_girl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
pluto (me) opposites his venus!!!! wow! great relationship and sex!!! wow! deep connection!

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posted October 05, 2010 06:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fenia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aries_girl
are you more obsessive for him than him for you?

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posted October 05, 2010 06:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotion     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
like everyone else already said, venus/pluto is a very deep and sometimes unfathomable energy. There may be a lot of power struggles going on too. whereas venus/mars is more pleasant and refined and the attraction is more "surface". I think of it this way: mar/venus is great sex, venus/pluto is great kinky/SM sex lol

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posted October 05, 2010 09:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ORMM... I loved your descriptions.. If only all descriptions were like that!!! Amazing...
very accurate..

I have this with an ex cancer guy...

his venus sq my mars
my venus sq his pluto
his sun sq my pluto...

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Looking back I WAS the aggressive one... It was an immediate attraction.. We literally saw each other from across the room, and locked eyes.. It was very intense...

After great bedroom play
He would just spoon me allll night, saying he didnt want to let go...

That was over 13 years ago..... Ironically we just started talking again.. I found him on FB.... We have been talking everyday since...
He has also looked for me over the years..

What aspect would have two people look for each other YEARS later.. Never forgetting about the other, always wondering?

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posted October 05, 2010 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lioness....aww..your so sweet Im glad it resonated with you...

In answer to your question I have to say I think it would be Saturn or NN contacts. Also look at the Vertex to see if it was fated, often times when the vertex is strong with the personal planets the relationships have a fated feel to them and many times they will come together more a moment in time and seperate to continue growing apart only to come together after both are ready to pick up the where they left off from a higher level.

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posted October 05, 2010 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lioness     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeap then thats it.. My Saturn sits right on his SN.. by mins..

I had looked for him b4 of FB, but never found him... He just recently signed up.. Bam there I am... I guess its time to finish it... It's also a "good" time for both of us... He found me before, but I was married.. So I didnt reconnect with him.. I told him no...

His anti vertex sits on my Mars
his NN conjuncts my MC
his eros conjuncts my Chiron

I'll check the other vertex/NN aspects later..

Only two trines everthing else is squares (O LORD)

I dont hit his Saturn at ALL... I thought we wouldnt want to see me again...


I always knew I would see him again one day...

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oneruledbymars
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posted October 05, 2010 10:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting...look at the Draconic Chart and see how his natal Saturn interacts with the Composite Chart.

Some where there is a connection unless it is that SN of his but I feel like there is something going on with his Saturn as well.

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