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jane
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posted October 08, 2010 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
Lonake - For sig, you have to check the "Show Sig" box at the bottom of your post.

So turns out I'm not just insane, I'm also an idiot. All this time, I've been saying "I am vast, I contain multitudes." But my google search shows it as "large," not vast. D@mn. Now my obsessive Sco Merc wants to dig through my books and check.

edit: Checked. It is "large." No one's ever corrected me!
This little episode shows some of my signs well -
Virgo Mars: Get it right, doofus!
Sco Merc: I'll find out.
Sag Sun: It's just a word. The idea is what matters & it got through.
Cap Venus & Leo Moon are thinking about sex & don't even care about what I'm saying.

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Lonake
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posted October 08, 2010 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Whaaa? I have to check the box every single time? omg i dunno if i have the patience for that..

Well I think your wording is still on point:
"of very great area or extent" http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vast

But who knows, I could be a bigger idiot and not know how to read a dictionary, lol.

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Tattoo the Astro Disclaimer on your brain: you have free will to change your inner dynamics at any time, you are not your chart, your chart is a reflection of you, a dynamic energy, etc.
Now I don't want to hear any whining.

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Benedict Moon*
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posted October 08, 2010 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
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I've come to the conclusion in this thread that you have difficulty in comprehending the intent in my posts, which is v.rare here. I'll keep that in mind for the future.
But acknowledge the fact that you've been snippy with me here, including attacks. Which says more about you than it does about me, objectively speaking. Because if you were neutral or if you liked someone you would give them the benefit of the doubt.
I can tell that there's something I wrote that really put you on the defensive, because you overreacted on this thread.
Whatever it was, you should know it wasn't personal as I really hardly have any memory of ever seeing you around posting, replying to mine, etc. Keep in mind I'm mostly oblivious to all of that anyway, unless it stands out positively or negatively, strongly and repeatedly. Like I said if you think I attacked you it wasn't intentioned.

But if you would like to keep viewing me in such a negative light, by all means, I have strong Pluto and I'm used to projections, I just shrug em off, automatic deflection.
I feel 100% neutral toward you, neither like nor dislike.



You want to talk about projections, your whole statement is one BIG one. Take a look at everything you wrote first before you accuse me of that while making yourself innocent. My pluto is just as prime as yours, FYI. Anyways, I'm done since I really wasn't that attached to this thread anyways and have better things to do then to continue to be attacked.

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Lonake
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posted October 08, 2010 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
Nope, I am neutral.
Sorry to burst your bubble!

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Lonake
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posted October 08, 2010 06:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
and then you can't go back and add in the signature after the fact.
this is a curious system..
ok, i will abide!

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Tattoo the Astro Disclaimer on your brain: you have free will to change your inner dynamics at any time, you are not your chart, your chart is a reflection of you, a dynamic energy, etc.
Now I don't want to hear any whining.

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Betty Boop
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posted October 08, 2010 06:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Betty Boop     Edit/Delete Message
I think you both feel neutral towards each other.
I'm not sure what happened here.
It's even weirder since technically you both *agree* on the astrology-side of things.

You might have 'Mars opposite Mars' exact in synastry - I know Lonake's is Libra and yours is Aries - BM.

I think the problem is - you don't seem to know each other well from LL, which is surprising since you both post a lot and have been here for a long while.

I kind of 'know' both of you a little bit because I'm a curious beak and have a great memory LOL

So all I can say is - both of you behaved perfectly normally considering your personality on LL & past behaviour - There is nothing unusual in your attitude towards each other on this thread.

So Lonake - I doubt that BM has a problem with you in particular or with what you said. This is the way she *always* is when she argues for/against something.
Aries Mars can come across as passionate even if they are entirely neutral about the topic.


and BM - I really think Lonake is also neutral and it is just her 'delivery' that you are misinterpreting. She felt she was on the defensive - even though you did not intend to "attack" her.
It really seems like Aries vs Libra Mars.

Normally I wouldn't care or get involved. But I actually LIKE both of you on LL - and it surprised me that you're arguing in this thread.
I thought you were on friendly terms, but I guess you barely know each other.

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Lonake
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posted October 08, 2010 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
I dunno..
I have
-Mercury @ 5 Aquarius
-Mars @ 19 Libra
-Saturn @ 21 Libra
-Pluto @ 26 Libra
In my synastries these players are the "Usual Suspects" for dissension.

Just recently I met a man with Mars conj Saturn in Scorpio, I paid no mind to it squaring my Merc..lol! Found out yesterday I cannot stand to converse with his lil grabs for power, omg, help me, last night I was gravitating to the people with Air in the room, let me breathe! Asthma, asthma! That's me exercising free will, I choose not to change for the benefit of any potential Merc/Mars squares, my Air cannot stand it. I knew we had it in our charts but I didn't expect a stir. Shouldve known better from the past.
Well, add that to the fact that I could tell I couldn't love him, so there's really no reason to start anything.

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Lonake
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posted October 08, 2010 07:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
and yet again i forgot the signature...

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AcousticGod
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posted October 08, 2010 07:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Mercury in a different sign than your Sun helps with objectivity.

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Benedict Moon*
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posted October 08, 2010 07:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Benedict Moon*     Edit/Delete Message
Haha, you're always coming up with the good insight, Betty. *My Aries Mars is at the 1st degree.

I appreciate it, but its really okay and I don't have any bad feelings towards Lonake at all. I don't claim to know her at all, but I've always gotten insight from her posts....even remember her helping me in the past. I apologize for being out of line, as I really haven't argued this peversely on here in a very long time. I guess I shouldn't let the stress of my RL seep into other places.

I'm really not that attached to this issue, in fact I don't even have a close Sun/Mercury conjunction. Ironically, its my sister who has a Sun/Mercury conjunction, as I've just realized, with her Pisces sun and Aqua mercury..LOL. I wonder where that takes this...

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AcousticGod
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posted October 08, 2010 07:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
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No place did I say Sun conjunct Merc is not positive at all. That is up to the native, like any other aspect. By default, a close Sun Mercury conjunction is not positive.

That's some pretty bad writing. Disclaiming you said something which you did say, and then reitterating it (despite having just disclaimed it). I can see why Benedict was frustrated.

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Lonake
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posted October 08, 2010 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
I don't see what's so bad.
I wrote what I meant.
I'm sorry to say, but most people in times of emotional reaction do revert back to their default setting.

So i added "By default"
by default also means without the intervention of free will.
Soooo, one can revert between these poles depending on their response to the environment.

You do get the term Default Setting right?
It makes sense right, or is too robot?
It's short thats why i like it.

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Tattoo the Astro Disclaimer on your brain: you have free will to change your inner dynamics at any time, you are not your chart, your chart is a reflection of you, a dynamic energy, etc.
Now, I don't want to hear any whining.

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AcousticGod
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posted October 08, 2010 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Ah, your signature says it all. I do think that one can mature into making their chart the best it can be, but if the stars were here first, how are they a reflection of us? We didn't cause them to be in their places by being born.

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Lonake
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posted October 09, 2010 03:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
You dont believe the charts are a reflection,.
thats curious
to each their own
but reflections are dynamic
they change as we change
you can read the base natal at various levels depending on how the person youre reading for is operating, what sort of choices they're making their attitudes, that influences how i read a chart
i could have the chart of twins born 5 mins apart and i would interpret them very differently depending on how each is using their energy
that is a lot of energy there, a lot of room for change, i don't see the natal as concrete

i think what you are terming 'stars' i see as energy sources that illustrate various aspects of the human psyche, archetypes in the collective unconscious, that have been around from time immemorial, that can be manipulated at will, for better or worse. these energies surround every culture, for every time period, they are the language of the human experience. this to me is astrology.
but keep in mind i study jungian psychology, so im coming from that perspective as well.

look at myths the stories of the people
look at the films and songs that have mass appeal
the archetypes are embedded in them all.
Look at George Lucas combing 'Hero with a Thousand Faces' by Joseph Campbell, to help him shape the 1st Star Wars film, showing us the Hero's journey, which is the journey of the Sun, the sun being our path, the same road that appears in dreams showing us how we move along and deal with obstacles to gain self realization.
I see it all as interchangeable, it's everywhere.
Archetypes are astrology are myths are dreams are on and on.
If you are in the arts, music theatre or film or publishing industry you have to know the language of the people.
If you want something thats likely to have mass appeal you have to speak to the collective unconscious, because when you do that you are triggering an element in many many psyches and they will latch on it, in hopes of further integration. This is why people get obsessed with certain songs over and over for instance, it's a hook for them to integrate, they bit the bait.
I'm digressing here, but this is why those renowned tend to have transpersonal planets personalized, they are carrying the image/message of their times.

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CrazyAquarian
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posted October 09, 2010 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CrazyAquarian     Edit/Delete Message
Looks like my one little statement about Sun/Merc conjunction blew up this thread!

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Ami Anne
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posted October 09, 2010 06:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message
Lonkae
That is amazing about the collective unconscious.
I knew that at a subconsious level-lol- but never heard it explained so well.
Thank you.
That is so true about the songs.

I am obsessed with songs where people HAVE their Pluto.
My favorite ,now, thanks to DD, is "Poison" by Alice Cooper.

Now, if that guy don't have his Pluto, no one does LOL

[image] http://www.freakingnews.com/images/contest_images/1804.jpg [/image]

You know, Lonake, I was thinking about why the Wizard of Oz has such mass appeal.

All ages love it even kids who have no idea why.

Thank you for filling in a gap for me a little bit. It is just the beginning cuz now I have more questions but they can wait for another time lol


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Pluto conjunct Dejanira, Girlfriend.

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Lonake
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posted October 09, 2010 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message
cool, Ami

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