posted October 07, 2010 03:49 PM         

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Mercury conj the Sun is actually not a positive aspect. It produces excessive subjectivity, they're too insular, mining over their every thought so that being objective and being able to process information as not directly relating to the self is close to impossible.

If it's in the same sign as the Sun, the best would be for it to be as far away as possible.

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posted October 07, 2010 03:50 PM         

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^ Please tell me that you read this part of my post, that I am now posting again with it now in bold.

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posted October 07, 2010 03:54 PM         

This is like Greek to me, can you explain what you wrote here?

I agree that because we are of course individuals in our own worlds (psyches), obtaining information through a number of different filters gained by various means, that everything relates to us.
I believe that's somewhat akin to what you mean, but like I said, I don't understand your statement, so I could be wrong.

posted October 07, 2010 08:05 PM         

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Where is your Mercury, Nine?

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posted October 07, 2010 09:57 PM         

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Idk, my bff is a huge hypocrite lol. She has Mercury and Sun in Cap. She'll go on and on about other people, but then she does the EXACT same things. For instance she doesn't like bisexuals because they are wishy washy, etc, but SHE is a bisexual (she calls herself a lesbian). She also goes on and on about so-called "s*luts" even though she is pretty promiscuous herself. I'm not sure what in her chart makes her like this.

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If there's one thing I know about Aquas, we hate hypocritical behavior.

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posted October 07, 2010 10:01 PM         

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For the record, I know for the fact that Sun/Mercury is not always unhypocritical. My friend with a very close Sun/Mercury conjunction in Sagittarius is an even bigger hypocrite than my sister. I think hypocrisy = conflict. So any conflict in the natal chart can indicate it (not all, just any).

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I guess I just assumed that having sun conjunct merc in different signs would help any possible clashes resulting in looking like a hypocrite.

posted October 08, 2010 12:50 AM         

I think Lonake is saying Sun conjunct Mercury is considered challenging "by default" - in the sense that - this is the "traditional" astrological story.

It's what you normally read about this aspect - It is considered challenging when Mercury is combust by the Sun (which means - under the Sun's rays or burnt out by the Sun)

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Cazimi (also spelled Casimi, and sometimes called Zaminium) is a technical Arabic word meaning "heart of the Sun" or "in the heart of the Sun." It is an astrological term meaning a planet that is in exact conjunction with or very near the precise center of the solar disc. A planet that forms a conjunction with the Sun within 17' (arc minutes) of partile (exactitude) is said to be Cazimi, literally engulfed and fortified by Sol and, as it also may be interpreted, "in the heart of the Sun." According to a psychological approach to astrology the Sun, representing the Ego, engulfs the energies of the planet in Cazimi and is said to imbue it with the intensely positive and life-giving energy and power of the Sun.

In traditional astrology, any planet is combust the sun when it is within eight degrees and thirty minutes of the sun either approaching or departing. Being combust the sun, or "under the sun's beams" (which is within seventeen degrees as) William Lilly called it, weakens a planet's strength. As astrologer John Frawley has explained, the sun is extremely powerful and "outshines" anything close to it. Consider the sun like a great king. In the court of the great king, any person who enters the court, no matter how great his reputation or how incomparable her beauty, must be humble before the king. Thus, their greatness is diminished. But cazimi, being right in the heart of the sun, is like being allowed into the very throne room or private chambers of a great king. This is the fortunate position of being highly favored by the sun, like a king who brings only a select few into his private chambers and bestows wealth and privilege upon them and listens to their deepest concerns with a mindset to help them.

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There are some classic rules in astrology - such as:

squares are bad.
trines are good.
planets too close to the sun are combust/"burnt out"

etc..

posted October 08, 2010 02:37 AM         

People (various, seen it more than once) like to get up in arms because I don't put a disclaimer on every post. In my mind, if you're on this board (including me) you should be reading with the disclaimer already tattooed on your brain, or else you have no business posting here/reading threads.

posted October 08, 2010 03:07 AM         

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I find it very hard to believe that Sun/Mercury cannot be objective

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amowls, you stated something in Ami's house ruler thread that I'm gonna repost here, something I don't usually do, but it's important for this thread,

Ami:"Your your mind(Mercury) and Sun(ego) are closely allied.
Sometimes, it is hard to get detachment of your thinking from your ego.
Is this true,Amwols?"
Amowls: "Sometimes it is hard to be objective"

posted October 08, 2010 03:19 AM         

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I know for the fact that Sun/Mercury is not always unhypocritical

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posted October 08, 2010 06:01 AM         

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you should be reading with the disclaimer already tattooed on your brain

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LOL

I should know - I'm a walking/talking disclaimer.

When you're an Aries - with Pisces Mercury (yay I'm back on topic!) --- most everything that comes out of your mouth is followed by a disclaimer. Which brings us back to the schizophrenia I was talking about yesterday lol

Aries: "I hate you people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

posted October 08, 2010 11:18 AM         

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Sometimes it is hard to be objective, but the 9th house is an objective house (big picture thinking), and Aquarius is about detachment. I am mostly objective, it is easy to step back and look at certain situations.

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There is a BUT in there. Now of course, I am objective and it could be due to the fact that my Mercury is in the 9th in Aqua or because Mercury conjunct doesn't mean that you are not objective (hard to tell with astrology right). I began the sentence with "sometimes" because some situations you just CAN'T be objective in (say for instance, who do you choose to kill, your daughter or a complete stranger?).

DD for instance has a close conjunction between her Sun and Mercury. Most of her posts are completely objective. But again, she has the conjunction in Sag.

I don't subscribe to the combust theory. That's useful in horary or electional astrology, but not so much with psychological. Any planet that close to the Sun will alter the Sun's expression, the Sun doesn't burn it out. I also don't think squares and oppositions are inherently bad.

posted October 08, 2010 02:05 PM         

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For my record, I've completely moved away from & disregarded the theory that Sun same sign as Merc = someone who is not a hypocrite. fyi

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That statement was not directed at you so I have no idea why you are still being really snippy with me, but whatever...

And in response to why I don't think Sun/Mercury is a subjective placement: Besides some real life examples ( some in watersigns, mind you)....to me, all sun/mercury means is that you identify with mercurial qualities. It's primarily the planet that colors the luminary IMO, and not usually the other way around. I've always totally disregarded the combust theory in natal astrology because it doesn't make sense...your identity is not gonna burn out your thinking/intellect; rather it gets merged together.

posted October 08, 2010 04:08 PM         

amowls,
"but not so much with psychological"
Re:cazimi, I disagree, based on my personal experiences/observations. It's hard for me to cite you or DD, etc. because I don't personally know anyone on this board.

benedictmoon,
"That statement was not directed at you so I have no idea why you are still being really snippy with me, but whatever..."
I've come to the conclusion in this thread that you have difficulty in comprehending the intent in my posts, which is v.rare here. I'll keep that in mind for the future.
But acknowledge the fact that you've been snippy with me here, including attacks. Which says more about you than it does about me, objectively speaking. Because if you were neutral or if you liked someone you would give them the benefit of the doubt.
I can tell that there's something I wrote that really put you on the defensive, because you overreacted on this thread.
Whatever it was, you should know it wasn't personal as I really hardly have any memory of ever seeing you around posting, replying to mine, etc. Keep in mind I'm mostly oblivious to all of that anyway, unless it stands out positively or negatively, strongly and repeatedly. Like I said if you think I attacked you it wasn't intentioned.

posted October 08, 2010 05:02 PM         

edit: In life, I do find myself often having to throw out some Whitman: Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes.

I've always assigned that to my outer planet influence, but it must be this too.

posted October 08, 2010 05:13 PM         

Well then, you must be a real nutter with that Sun-Asc quincunx. (Or by inconjunct, do you mean semi-sextile?)