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PlutoSquared
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posted October 25, 2010 10:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright, Woah Cakes, I'm going to tell you what I think... I'm not an expert, by any means, I do this for my own learning purposes, and after everything is said and done, my analysis can be completely wrong...
First,

YOU have Neptune in 12th, and Venus & Neptune (on the dark side of the ascendant) close to your ascendant in 1st house, which not only probably makes you a BEAUTIFUL person, but a person who probably has a lot of sympathy for others going through hard times. You are probably very understanding, very supportive, and want to see the absolute best in the people you love...

This can also make you prone to being a drug user, getting involved with drug users, having a "secret" party life that opposes the security of your home and world seeing as you have this Neptune placement quincunx your Taurus Moon in 4th.

Like your boyfriend, having Uranus in your 10th/11th house in Scorpio have to worry about abrupt endings with jobs and friendships caused by Scorpio energies - addictions, sexuality, revenge, power, domination, secrecy...

Like your boyfriend, as well, it is probably possible for you to clutch onto a spiritual belief system, and then lump it, seeing as you have Pluto in Libra in 9th, quincunx that Taurus moon in 4th... to the dismay of your parents?

Saturn in Virgo in 8th, and Jupiter in Leo in 7th promises fun and exciting relationships, but a lot of Karmic work to do afterwards...

I'm starting to feel like you may have switched these charts on accident... because your chart reads like your boyfriends life...

Strange.

Now, if you're not careful, that Saturn placement in 8th forms a quincunx, that my gut says: Listen, for all you will strive for financial stability and success, your past karmic issues with addiciton will compromise all that you have to gain, if YOU'RE not careful...

I'll continue on in a sec.

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PlutoSquared
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posted October 25, 2010 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, don't worry about reposting the charts, I still have them in one of my tabbed browsers.

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posted October 25, 2010 10:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright,

Your boyfriends chart:

Neptune conjunct midheaven in Sagittarius - ouch. Quincunx the Taurus sun too, not a great aspect.

Saturn conjunct DC on end of 6th house, in Virgo.

Jupiter in Leo in 6th house/5th house?

Chiron in 2nd house in Taurus.

Ascendant in Pisces.

Pluto in 7th

Sun in Taurus in 2nd opposite Scorpio Moon in 8th.

Sun opposite Uranus (same houses)

Let me look over these placements...

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woah cakes
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posted October 25, 2010 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
shiz!! could you email me page one of the thread? i wasable to get to page 2 and select all-c/ped and emailed to myself but i can't access page two and i wanted to read over the replies. dang! my address is loveisnowalready@yahoo.ca!

almost done eating

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posted October 25, 2010 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok...

I think you boyfriend is going to struggle with addiction his whole life.

His relationships will ALWAYS be difficult and something frustrating for him, although having that north node so close to the saturn on the DC makes me think this is sort of his destiny -

To have to battle to keep relationships, and to work on them... in spite of that pluto placement.

That pluto placement in the 7th isn't exactly the most glorious placement. As it leads to catastrophic endings in relationships, potentially abusive senarios, secrecy in relationships with bad results, etc.

The Uranus and Moon placements in the 8th house of Scorpio is really telling.

The strange urges he gets to experiment with drugs are very strong. Very, very strong.

And if you notice, he had Mars conjunct those planets not too long ago. Probably yet again, a flareup of hidden desires to use.

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posted October 25, 2010 11:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woah Cakes,

Sorry... I have page 2!

Page 1 is lost

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posted October 25, 2010 11:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This relationship, maybe has some past karmic ties...

Maybe having that neptune placement, in your past life YOU were the drug user. Now, your boyfriend is the drug user, and you're trying to pull him out of it, so to speak...

If this is the case, you need to make sure you don't "back track" with your own progress. In spite of how strong those urges are to "help" drug addicts and people who party... watch yourself, because you could lose what you have, too!

If you can, post those synastry and composite charts...

I'll look over the transits, and tell you what I think is ahead.

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posted October 25, 2010 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, too Woah Cakes,

On the VERY POSITIVE side, if your boyfriend is successful against the terrible urges to use he will suffer from,
the best case senario is that he becomes kind of a therapist, mentor, and guide for others suffering with drug addiction...

He could really use that Sagg Midheaven conjunct Neptune to give, and give, and give for a living, as a way to deal with and counteract the terror of his addiction.

That would also be appropriate for the saturn and north node placements in the 6/7th house areas...

Edit: he also has some nice aspects to suggest this with the Pluto in 7th and the Venus in Aries in 1st.

I believe that when he said that he used your early (venus aries in 1st) love life and loss of relationships (pluto in 7th) to motivate him to change - HE WAS telling the truth!

Perhaps, if he keeps on the straight and narrow, he will be able to draw from his pain and losses, and love, and do well with his life, in spite of his inclinations...

It's hard to say though

Ok... looking at transits, for real, this time!

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posted October 25, 2010 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sad, too... because I think his addiction reflected by the moon and uranus in 8th in scorpio quincunx his mars and venus...

it's really derailed his motivation and drive for love...

And, if he is successful at being a kind of mentor to others, inside, with that Taurus sun, he will somehow yearn for that Normal stable taurus life...

The Chiron in taurus in 2nd house is sad. He probably has issues of going without early in life...

Ok... TRANSITS!

I think the pluto conjunct the midheaven and conjunct the neptune was the past "world falling down on him" thankfully that's long past, but he's due for an infusion to his 1st and 2nd house planets in the distance...

This will probably motivate him STRONGLY to get his life together... so, with whatever progress he's made so far, nothing is really compared to the unique and new vision he'll have for himself when Uranus is in Aries and conjuncts those placements.

As far as you go...

It seems pretty clear with Neptune so close to your sun and pluto just moving away from that conjunction that this meeting with him was supposed to happen...

Pay attention to when Saturn is going to conjunct your pluto... plan for this because it will probably effect your philosophy on life...

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posted October 25, 2010 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What did you do PlutoSquared to crash the site?.

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posted October 25, 2010 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 25, 2010 11:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What can I say, it's my Plutonian energy taking everything down.

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posted October 25, 2010 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mine crashed too.
Sad yours did also.

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posted October 25, 2010 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't want to generalize, but I know may aquarians have gone back to there first loves after having rought times.

of course I made mentioned of that in the first thread.

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posted October 25, 2010 11:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LEXX,

I know! It's such a bummer. We'll fix it up though - everyone here loves to post!

Your thread will likely surpass 200 posts in 24 hours :P

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PlutoSquared
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posted October 26, 2010 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woah Cakes,

If you'd like further analysis, could you post those synastry and composite charts?

I'll be away from the computer here for a few...

I wanted to really analyze the aspects between you seeing as you have that Taurus moon...

The polarity between his Scorpio influences and that Moon placements I think deserves looking at...

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woah cakes
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posted October 26, 2010 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
hi sorry! a skunk sprayed my neighbour right outside my open window. had to clear out for a while. ewwwwy.

i'll have the charts up in a minute, thanks for looking so closely! haven't read all the replies yet.

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posted October 26, 2010 12:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted October 26, 2010 12:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obviously, you're close in age, so some of these conjunctions are probably not too relevant...

Here's my interpretation, though...

Your AC is conjunct is MC - to me says this
was a destined relationship

Your neptune conjunct his neptune (I think this also implies that you partied together - however YOU did it secretly)

Your saturn conjunct his saturn and also his DC - you both will have to work very hard on your relationships with each other
and with others...

Your pluto in libra opposite his Venus in Aries 1st house -
Speaks of a terrible (plutonian) end to relationship


His Uranus in 8th (the drug addiction placement) Square your sun
in Aquarius 2nd house

Sun and moon conjunction shows real compatibility

His moon in Scorpio opposite your Moon in Taurus
Also a lot of attraction - him seeing you as the stable one


Your chiron looks conjunct his mercury - so a lot of your healing
Comes directly from communication with him...

He's probably helped you through some things, as well..

For whatver reason, I think your pluto in 9th could suggest you might make a lot of drastic moves (even long distance ones) at some point.

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posted October 26, 2010 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Composite reading:

1.) Neptune in 11th house is square Mars and Mercury (I think he DOES see you as part of that "group" that he needed to get
away from to survive).

2.) With Neptune square Mercury & Mars, this shows the real potential
for lies and undermining of your motivations together.

3.)Uranus is square moon and venus in 1st in Aquarius...

"Early love breaks up abruptly over issues of drug use"


4.) Saturn opposite Mars (10 degrees, so take it or lump it) -

But, the Saturn lessons and work you have to do in your life will probably lead you away from this association!

That pisces mars, I think is a very deep
Spiritual like attraction, one that was very romantic...

Aquarius ascendant - destined to become friends???

The Pluto in 8th house quincunx the Mars also seems challenging to "re-start" an old relationship...

Woah cakes, anything can happen, but my guess from looking at these charts was that you guys were maybe a "karmic" pair... you seem to be clear of the nasty drug burden that he has, but he has to go through it in this life...

I think you did share something very special, but... this relationship needs to be very open, honest, practical, and step-by-step, or else it has the potential to undermine him AND you...

Just go into this with your eyes open.

And, also pay attention to that Aquarius ascendant...

Remember, as much as you feel the need to play a support to him, you have a right to enjoy the here and now...

Don't sacrifice your happiness... or your stability.

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posted October 26, 2010 12:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Also, another side note:

The squares between uranus in the 9th could speak of distance becoming a factor in your seperation, at some point.

The NEPTUNE squares are the ones that really have the potential of hurting you both, over the long run...

This relationship needs to be completely open and honest, otherwise, it will break apart just as fast and terribly as it did the first time...

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posted October 26, 2010 12:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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YOU have Neptune in 12th, and Venus & Neptune (on the dark side of the ascendant) close to your ascendant in 1st house, which not only probably makes you a BEAUTIFUL person, but a person who probably has a lot of sympathy for others going through hard times. You are probably very understanding, very supportive, and want to see the absolute best in the people you love...

my look varies a lot depending on my emotions and sometimes i think i look attractive and sometimes just plain dorky. the second part of this is VERY true, oh yes indeed.


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This can also make you prone to being a drug user, getting involved with drug users, having a "secret" party life that opposes the security of your home and world seeing as you have this Neptune placement quincunx your Taurus Moon in 4th.

interesting! well most of my family (moon in 4th) has substance abuse issues. i feel like it would be very possible for me to go that route IF i weren't so stubborn. i KNOW i never will and have the opposite of an addictive personality, YET it is often sort of on the periphery of my mind ('wow, it would be nice to have a beer', and i've had this for years and years. i can't tolerate alcohol at all and only drink maybe 1/2 a beer twice a year, and have very much the opposite of aparty life. i think it's quite possible this relates to my family, and maybe a potential in me, but i will never go down that route, having seen what it does to families.

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Like your boyfriend, having Uranus in your 10th/11th house in Scorpio have to worry about abrupt endings with jobs and friendships caused by Scorpio energies - addictions, sexuality, revenge, power, domination, secrecy...

HMM. this is interesting. it could actually explain why for my ENTIRE LIFE my best friends have ALWAYS moved away. anyone i get really really close to leaves town eventually. once in a while my close friendships end due to them going down a destructive path of some kind (hey at least i'm not saving them anymore!).

quote:
Like your boyfriend, as well, it is probably possible for you to clutch onto a spiritual belief system, and then lump it, seeing as you have Pluto in Libra in 9th, quincunx that Taurus moon in 4th... to the dismay of your parents?

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Saturn in Virgo in 8th, and Jupiter in Leo in 7th promises fun and exciting relationships, but a lot of Karmic work to do afterwards...

eek! you think saturn in my 8th means hard work within karmic relationships? that's how it's always felt. especially this one.

haha, i didn't switch charts. yeah we have had very similar lives and family dynamics..

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posted October 26, 2010 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PlutoSquared     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Feel free to ask any questions you want... I'll try to offer an opinion - and definitely other posters will, too.

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posted October 26, 2010 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for woah cakes     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wow. quoting takes way too long. thanks so much for looking into this!

kay, regarding his chart: you know it COULD be that he had an urge to use again. i imagine that temptation must flare up every once in a while, especially when things get stressful. BUT, that said, he is so completely and utterly and staunchly on the path of purity, which is also corroborated by what you say. he believes in taking NOTHING impure into his system. he won't cook his food, won't even swear, won't go near animal products, doesn't eat garlic or onions (lust and anger causing) and thinks drugs are basically evil. he has done a complete 180 in that regard, and it's pretty much all he talks about. he completely wants to bring this message to people and be a mentor. that is basically his life mission, because he wants to help everyone raise their vibration to pure love and health.

i wonder if in the past i WAS a drug user. that is quite possible and i've thought that before, what with my SN in pisces, too, and so much of it in my family..

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Sad, too... because I think his addiction reflected by the moon and uranus in 8th in scorpio quincunx his mars and venus...
it's really derailed his motivation and drive for love...

And, if he is successful at being a kind of mentor to others, inside, with that Taurus sun, he will somehow yearn for that Normal stable taurus life...


this is really interesting because when he started acting weird with me he sort of went back and forth about our connection and about his adherence to celebacy (he's been celebate 3 years but he was completely willing and wanting to give that up for me and for our relationship, but then later just basically skipped all that and backtracked, even though my emphasis was never on sex.. he made a few statements, though, that made me feel like he thought i wanted to use him for sex), and said he didn't want to get attached to me. he also told me he is extremely worried about getting hurt and that he was DEEPLY hurt in his last two relationships. it seems almost like he pits his love against what he perceives as his purity-path, even though initially he was so into us healing TOGETHER and kept refering to how powerful our connection is and how perfectly comfortable he is with me.


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Your chiron looks conjunct his mercury - so a lot of your healing
Comes directly from communication with him...

He's probably helped you through some things, as well..


yes, recently especially. he's become so sweet and loving and open and genuine and was really geared up to work all of our past through. his energy touches me deeply and the feelings of security and helpfulness between us definetly goes both ways. even way back when he would occasionally say things to me in his lucid moments about needing to have more self worth and not accept his sh!t, in a really tender, sweet way. overall, the feeling between us is very much centered around healing, and i definitely feel like what he has offered me has been healing for me, too.


i need a moment to digest the composite reading but i'll be back soon!

oh, spooL, thanks for your input too. does your friend really have the same big three as me? sag-aqua-taurus? cool!

thanks LEXX, ah well, everything happens for a reason as they say.


ETA: i added a bit to the above and i'm sort of letting my intuition float around before i post about this; trying to fit the pieces together. may not get back to it tonight thanks again

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posted October 26, 2010 12:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SpooL     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Woah Cakes,

The only thing I can see thats diffrent is her venus is in Capircorn.

The downside is as mention, she has "intuitve powers" over me.

Example she remotely sense what I said a couple days ago to someone.

Then said it back to me word for word.

But, she's a survivor and I'm sure you are too.

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