posted October 28, 2010 04:44 PM         

but i would like to answer to one thing, that i think will make alot of sense to your theory and understanding of these chiron in the 12th house with both have, and how its a part of us.

i think i see how it plays for us. first of all, there is definitely some hurt in her past, she has past pains that influence things and ways of thinking she does in the presence, in negative ways. i think iv always felt this energy of healing her of it because from the very begining i wanted to show her that Love can work and be good, and be real, and i wanted to add something to make the wounds go away or be forgotten atleast.

anyway, heres some mind food for you till you are ready to ask me your questions in order:

me and my aqua met through a way that for the reason alone, is what makes me feel it was fated. something in both our lives that has haunted us as an issue mutually, brought US together literally.

me and my aqua met on a forum where we both suffer with a phobia, anxiety disorder. that is heard of to some, not the rarest, but usually unheard of. i won't say what it is, i don't mind telling but i respect taht shes more hush on it than i am. but we both have this phobia, for some odd reason, women significantly suffer with this phobia than men do, or perhaps there are more men out there but they don't come forth for some reason.

we have both had this same phobia all our life, its always been a part of us, and we both met on a forum that is there for others who suffer with it to converse, discuss and support eachother.

on that forum there is hardly any men, its 90% women. i suppose as a guy, you could see there is lots of oppertunity to meet a 'woman' with so many there. but the other way round, for her, the chances are slimmer.

well, we met there and i was always attracted to her but for saturnian reasons i just thought it was a dreamy thought that would never happen (us romantically) but that didn't stop me from wanting to talk to her and see if she'd atleast like me as a friend, even though i was attracted to her at first sight. but we hit it off, and after 3 weeks of talking quite alot, we just came forth with it.

so if there is a healing theme, to do with past, it must relate to the fact that we were both brought together and met eachother through a fairly uncommon phobia taht we have both dealt with all our life. a phobia that there is a very strong lack of help and support with, and many suffer of without others knowing and have any help with. so put it this way, if you met someone and you didn't know you had this particular thing in common, it would be like this: finding out that this person shares something with YOU that YOU thought was unique to yourself, like you was the only one in the world dealing with it, well thats how if elt anyway.

posted October 28, 2010 04:51 PM         

Thank you for also confirming and sharing what a beautiful relationship you have together!

posted October 28, 2010 05:02 PM         

I am very interested to know:

1.) Do you want to see her become more "Serious" "Practical" "Down to Earth" regarding her life goals and profession?

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Her 6th house service sector will always be busy, demand a lot of attention, have a hint of the unusual and unexpected, involve serious commitment, and be involved with Neptunian healing.
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2.) I really think she’s going to end up in medicine – either as a doctor, nurse, emergency medicine???

posted October 28, 2010 05:09 PM         

in this case, its actually the other way round alot more. at first, i distorted my past with her, i thought that was my pluto square asc, that aspect is apparently known for us doing that. but then after a month or so, i wanted to be real, its not like i told lots of lies, its just if someone pryes into my past and i don't wish to share it, i hardly ever show secretiveness of it, instead i just write a different past, or an altered one. anyway.. there was a couple things i kept hidden, but after a month of us being romantic, i came forth and told her the actual real facts of some small things i twisted. but for her it was different, it seems she had done the same out of fear, but her pluto trines her asc not square it. its been me whos been very open about where iv come from, and her who is very closed. i backed off and showed her she is free to tell me when she is ready to. but its me whos been very intersted in her past, and she has been the one to shutdown the conversation somewhat and become emotional. but that doesnt change the fact taht she is also Very intersted in various random things about my past.

posted October 28, 2010 06:24 PM         

you are spot on, but a little much emphasis on communicating, what i need as much if not more, is my native libra venus needs - time with me, companionship, being "together" making time for eachother. her JOB and other natural commitments, one i wont go into, blocks our time together very strongly, her job is full time, and its a schedule that changes every week, it means if i work i will never get time with her becuase my job would likely give me weekends off, but her two days off changes every week. on top of that we have the time zone difference of 5 hours, very challenging. she loves working hard and feels like its a need to feel 'right'. very house-work driven and again there is other commitments. her time is demanded of and it has made us both have to sacrifice things (her saturn squares my venus, and mine squares hers 0 orb) in my case, its my social life and my job. and its slowed down my decision to go to school for carreer choices, because i Want time with her. these are sacrifices that come easier to me because they mean less to me than her, Love.. for her its meant sacrificing her social life much more, and slowing her schooling down. which i thinki s harder for her to do.

posted October 28, 2010 07:50 PM         

You have Saturn Conjuct Chiron in 12th house in Pisces – is there emotional healing in your past that maybe you don’t want to do, because it’s A LOT of work, and probably very deeply embedded in you?

Do you push it so far away to the point of almost refusing to acknowledge it’s there?

This is relevant to your synastry reading because your Saturn in the 12th in Pisces squares your partner’s Venus in 6th in Sagittarius.

I get a feeling that this relationship is defined by how much it does not talk about (which is fine for both parties) and yet it serves you both to give you a feeling of satisfaction and reward.

Both of you have very occupied 6th houses.

Chris has a lot of emotional planets in the house of service, which is REALLY strange and mentionable, especially for being a Scorpio.

With the conjunctions of Neptune, with Moon, so close to the Venus placements (in Sagittarius) this guy is really set to please and serve a woman… this is his natural ability. His Venus placement wants to express itself through sacrifice for someone else.

You also have some interesting 6th house energies – Moon, Mars (in Virgo), Uranus & Pluto (in Libra). You are also oriented to “please” others.

However, the discord that you experience in relationships can and will take its toll on your health, if you’re not careful.

This could also speak of an interest to get plastic surgery? Pluto in 6th in Libra – totally speaks of change to appearance to me. If this is true, make sure you go to a professional and experienced surgeon, and don’t be ridiculous in your requests – realize you have Uranus in your 6th house too!

Chris’ 4th house is also very interesting – Saturn, Mercury, Jupiter and Pluto in Libra.

Did Chris have an unemotional or serious household growing up? Was there domestic violence? Was there a parent that was extremely emotionally abusive towards the mother? Or perhaps, was there just a lot of fighting and energy in his home, growing up?

I ask this because Pluto was conjunct Saturn, Jupiter and Mercury (some wide orbs, though) in the 4th house in Libra. Perhaps, Chris has carried this with him into adulthood.

He also has Uranus in 5th which speaks to an unconventional sex life.

Perhaps, it’s that both of you have gone through a lot of bad situations in the past, but the two of you really don’t discuss it?

I wonder because of the Pluto in 4th quincunx your Mercury in 7th. Regardless, maybe it’s not important for you to know this information…

His moon in 6th is conjunct your Venus in 8th.

You have some nice patterns here.

His sun in Scorpio, with your Sun in 8th. Your moon is Virgo in 6th, his is Sagg in 6th.

His adventurousness goes to serve others.

Your Neptune in 7th conjunct his Juno in 5th. You two may end up tying the knot at some point.

He will like your healing compatibility and you will love his romance and sexuality.

There’s a bond signified by this aspect, but I’ll need to think on it some more…

Your Venus is Conjunct his Neptune. This is a romantic aspect to have. Both of you really see the other as the “ideal” person; with yet, again, another element of sacrifice for love.

With as many squares in this relationship, I see them mainly from Chris’ point of view.

Perhaps he would like to talk to you, love you, and nurture you more, but your Saturn has him blocked in these arenas.

His purpose in life is to really “Serve” a woman and be her all and all, but your refusal to let him nurture you emotionally and romantically, past a certain point, may make him feel “rejected”.

You need to realize that Chris gets a lot of emotional reward for being nurturing and caring (healing) to a woman – and you need to perhaps, consider letting him do that, at times, otherwise he may feel “brushed off”.

posted October 28, 2010 08:06 PM         

For Chris’ sake, and for yours, I hope he is faithful and fair with you in regards to service, because if he’s not, like mentioned before you will put an end to him:

Pluto in 6th in Virgo square his Moon and Venus AND Neptune in 6th.

This says there’s the potential of crushing those planets, if those energies do not appeal to the “ethics” of your Virgo Pluto placement.

Also, your Pluto is conjunct his DC.

So, losing you would have the potential of really hurting him and sending him for a loop.

posted October 28, 2010 08:09 PM         

My feeling is that this relationship is "natural" and fun. As long as the deception does not become an issue, you allow him to "nurture" you in ways, alluding to that Saturn in 12th in Pisces (not brush him off for showing concern for you), and you allow your relationship to continue on with excitement and fun...

posted October 28, 2010 08:53 PM         

Regarding Saturn/Chiron- Yes, some years ago I had a 'feeling' that I was abused, as in molested during childhood.
I went with that feeling for awhile, and suddenly got very afraid because it seemed like I was nearing the possibility of figuring out who that person was that did it...
Then when my Grandma (who raised me) was dying, she told me of an incident involving the next door neighbor man, and what she saw him do, in essence, she was apologizing for not doing more.
I did not really recall these incidents, but I decided that if that is what she said happened, then, OK, I will leave it at that, although at times, I still have a suspicion it was someone else as well.

I don't want to know.
I'm the type that doesn't like dwelling in the negative, so, that is confirmation on what you said.
I have chosen NOT to deal with it, and I don't know if I ever will.

How this relates to Chris....

As you said, Chris' Mother was brutally beaten by his father, whom he no longer has contact with, by his own choice.
Chris has told me of the horrible scenarios of watching her be beat, and him unable to do anything, because he was just a boy.
His father beat him too.
And his sister.
Chris was the one beat more, because he was the boy.
His sister was raped, and Chris was forced to watch.
Of course it still haunts him.
It's been suggested, or implied that maybe his Dad did things of a sexual nature to him as well, but when we get to that point in the conversation... we both look at one another and just STOP. It's just how it is.
I know his pain, and he knows mine.
It's a sharing that cannot be explained unless one has been there.
My childhood was also turbulant. I was raised by my Grandparents, and Aunt/Uncle.
The Aunt and Uncle were heroin addicts, and My Grandpa was a violent alcoholic.
So, there is that. I suppose it DOES give us comfort that we come from very similiar situations.

Yes, discord that I've have experienced with OTHER relationships, have had me contemplating suicide in the past.
I have to be very careful with whom I get involved with. Very careful.

NO, OMG, I would never get plastic surgery. Really, I am totally not into that! Maybe you are seeing that I've had 18 surgeries from my own personal health issues???
I do have health issues, but no, I don't even wish to change my hair color, and I could'nt imagine someone taking a scalpel to my face or body. *shudders* but that's just me, no offense to anyone who has/does.

Umm, OK RE: Chris' 4th house. He is TERRIFIED of becoming like his father. Just terrified. It surely does haunt him to this day.

*Unconvential sex life? Well, I guess that one is subjective, lol.

No, we do not discuss our pasts that much. It's almost as if he already knows, sometimes he has said, he can "see" it, what happened then. He doesn't force anything out of me, and sometimes he stops me from going too far with those kind of conversations, for which, I am surprisingly greatful.
I went to college to BE a therapist, as many traumatized people do, and usually we are the ones least likely to GET therapy.
But he has an easy way about him, that doesn't prod.

The Neptune/Juno conjunction. Yes, well, despite the age difference, and the other circumstances, we have certainly discussed marriage, many, many times.
In fact he wears a wedding band I gave him three years ago to this day. And with all that we've been through, that I emailed you about, he's never taken it off. He said he would remove it when he no longer loved me, and still it remains.
It always seems to me, that that is the going to be the way it is. Either marry, or totally split.
There doesn't seem to be a middle ground, although we are and have been doing that for almost 4 years! Still, the serious intent is always there lurking, on both parties.

He does like my healing and of course I love his romance and sexuality. There is no doubts about that.
He says thing such as: (from a text) "Seeing you today was like having 100 pounds of bricks lifted off my back" I see that as a healing, don't you?

I do see him as ideal, and he's told me that as well, but, of course there will be sacrifices. I have that theme in any relationship because there it is in my natal. At this point in time, no matter who I was with, would upset my children, because it isn't their father. So, something has to be sacrificed. so far it has always been my happiness, but they are getting older, and so am I, and no longer wish to keep pushing my own wants and needs to the wayside.

Maybe I don't let him 'all the way in', IDK.! He's never said anything like that, only little things like he wishes I would snuggle with him longer, stay longer, such things like that, but it doesn't have to do with my not wanting to as much as it has to do with the lack of time.
I feel that if the conditions were 'right' and we were truly alone, I could give him all these things that he wants/needs.

But thank you for pointing that out, sometimes I can be a bit oblivious if a person isn't saying STRAIGHT out, that I WANT/NEED this, so I may have overlooked it.
But, I will concentrate on that now, since you see it's importance.

RE: Pluto/Dc, well yes, like I said, I can't seem to stay away, and neither can he. It's like having a giant magnet that can read your mind living across town. How can one resist?
And being apart WAS hard on both, although I have the ability to cover up much better, through socializing and what have you, while he does that whole silent, sulky thing.

And finally, YES, this is THE most natural, I can say/do/be anything in front-of-you-and-you-won't-go-screaming-into-the-night relationship I've ever had.
It means the WORLD to me, and I can only hope it means the world to him! Nearly 4 years is alot of time to put into something and someone, and the bond is just there, it's like he's a peice of me, and I am a peice of him.

OK, well, sorry for the length of this. I only posted publicly because I thought maybe someone else reading this might find it useful or helpful in their own lives.