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posted November 03, 2010 01:11 AM         

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Ok seeing how there was a recent dramatic outburst that ended in "someone" leaving I wanted to know what do you guys think could be the culpret behind those specific personality factors this said person has? Like is it being a Leo Sun or Sun in 1st...etc. Or what do you think could cause someone to be that way? Strong Aries perhaps or something that would tend to have them view an "all or nothing" approach to opinions.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:14 AM         

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Hmmm, well I know two people with sun in the first and they are about as undramatic as a person can be. But they are both men, so that may have something to do with it.

I would think it would be more of the asc, seeing how that is how you appear to others. *shrug*

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posted November 03, 2010 01:15 AM         

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I would state that Taurus Energies mixed with Aries energies - if not handled correctly early in life, can probably easily lead to that.

Hitler had those aspects.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:17 AM         

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Mmmm I was wondering about that...I actually have a few of Hitlers placements...I have a Cap Moon, and some Taurus in me (Venus)...plus I have my Sun and Mars in the 1st with a Leo Mercury and I'm the least bit dramatic...is there anywonder what other placements said person had (btw my subtly isn't great lol...its Lara) had or even how this could manifast in other aspects.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:19 AM         

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Taurus/Aries can be a bit overzealous (passionate is another word)... but Hitler wasn't Hitler because of those aspects.

Anyway, I think all the fire signs can be a bit dramatic. I've had my outbursts (I have Moon opposite Jupiter.. ruler of Sag).

Note: Can we refrain from calling anyone Hitler? Even indirectly?

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posted November 03, 2010 01:24 AM         

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"all or nothing" is very Plutonian/8th house, no?

i have heavy fire in my chart, Sun in the 1st. i can be pretty dramatic to a fault, although i do it with intimate people and not show it to everyone.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:24 AM         

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I have Aries and Scorpio placements in me, and I can be dramatic. It depends on what it is, and how good I'm feeling about myself and my life, as to how I'm dramatic, how long it lasts, etc...

I was out-and-out nasty to one person this year, and that usually isn't the case for me. I outdid myself in that regard.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:24 AM         

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Mmmm ok I didn't pick up on the parallel to Hitler...on second glance I do see it, and don't really think it was meant to be even suggestive of that.

I do agree that fire signs can be rather passionate...and again my 1st house Mars is right there with the anger (and impulsivity!!) but to also have a sense of victimization. I have seen that in other people as well, what could contribute to that, or someone who tends to view everything as someone picking on them. Or could that also be another Scorp/8th house trait. I haven't seen that in Scorp or Aries people to be honest.

I have seen the whole defensive/dismissive thing as a bundle of signs. Perhpas water deff (for being defensive, and perhaps fire)...and I don't know what could account for being dismissive.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:26 AM         

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Amowls,

I don't think the named person is Hitler.

If I implied it, I apologize.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:27 AM         

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I have my Pisces Mars in aspect to several personal planets, which might add (for me) some of the melodrama when it happens - due to the way those placements are aspected by it.

I'm now thinking of what might cause each sign might be dramatic, defensive, dismissive...

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posted November 03, 2010 01:28 AM         

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Its okay Pluto, I understand. I can just foresee someone taking it that way.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:29 AM         

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No Problem. You're right.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:31 AM         

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For an aspect: Maybe Mars conjunct Moon or Mars conjunct Mercury in a house or sign of fire (even air)?

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posted November 03, 2010 01:32 AM         

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For me all I can say is.... Aries moon. I can haz theatrixs plz?
5th house sun, Taurus Mars in the 1st square Jupiter. Bad temper, drama queen, and also get over things quickly.

IMO I don't think Aries alone can cause drama - I have seen very cool, level-headed Aries. But I think it depends on the aspects. I knew a Mars/Moon opposition person with a Venus/Pluto squa and Uranus/Mars squ who was just plain outwardly cruel and vocal in his cruelty. I don't know if you'd call him 'dramatic' though. He seemed very calm on the outside.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:36 AM         

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I knew a Mars/Moon opposition person with a Venus/Pluto squa and Uranus/Mars squ who was just plain outwardly cruel and vocal in his cruelty. I don't know if you'd call him 'dramatic' though. He seemed very calm on the outside.

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Lol I have most of these sorts of aspects...I have the Moon Opp Mars, Venus/Pluto Opposition by sign, and inconjunct by aspect, and the Mars Uranus Inconjunct...and I'm not dramatic. Maybe a little out there and full of nervous energy...but I deff try to not be cruel. Its strange and I suppose this goes to show how its not the aspects that compel, its the individual person.

I know an Aries Moon (its a Cap I have a crush on...and he doesn't seem like he has a temper...but he deff isn't a hot head...plus he has an Aries Mars...BUT a Scorp Rising so I'm guessing that I deff don't see the iceberg of his "passion" lol.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:36 AM         

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oi, i got Aries Moon too!

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posted November 03, 2010 01:43 AM         

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IMO I don't think Aries alone can cause drama - I have seen very cool, level-headed Aries.

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Thank you for saying that (not that I thought that was addressed to me, just in general). My first thought was Aries, because of the Fire (for myself), but for the most part, things blow over for me, and I'm dramatic with very few people.

I've made the mistake of posting when depressed, here, since becoming more vocal, but in the past I wouldn't have done so.

Transits have brought it out of me: Pluto opposing/squaring my planets; eclipses. Jupiter square my Sun.

Chiron - or something like that - might add to the victimization side of things? I don't know. I can feel that way, but then I want to slap myself silly, so...

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posted November 03, 2010 01:45 AM         

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Don't worry GrlyGirl, it was an a$$hole with those aspects, and like you said it's not the aspects but the person and the choices they make!

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posted November 03, 2010 01:49 AM         

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Cover your eyes MVM, I see Aries Mooners like that when they are very young.
I'm thinking of my daughter (19) and my guy's brother (22) they seem to take things extra personal, and twist it so they end up feeling victimized.
I do think that is directly correlated to maturity though.

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posted November 03, 2010 01:51 AM         

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Yes, guilty as charged. When I feel slighted it's like, THEY HATE ME, THE WORLD HATES ME BAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH (
Total drama.
Oh I am not sure it's outgrown entirely. Only becomes less frequent and confined to small, private quarters lol

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posted November 03, 2010 02:38 AM         

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btw I have met some very composed Aries mooners. I am not sure how they do it. Damn them

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posted November 03, 2010 02:40 AM         

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Darn, I knew I should've paid attn to LL, but I missed the drama as I was caught up with the election coverage.

Drat.

OTOH, I love seeing dramatic exits, so to stay on topic I have Leo Asc If I get all huffy puffy irritated then sure I'm all for it personally, but I can detach and see it as a waste of time.

Don't worry, they always come back.
This place is like fly paper.

"Mars conjunct Mercury"
Aww man, yesss this is one of em, one of the worst. So biting and eager to fly off the handle, they look for reasons to get upset. Seriously. I can only state what I've seen and this is one of the worst natal aspects. Even in relatively tame signs, it doesn't have to be Fire.

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posted November 03, 2010 02:47 AM         

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No water in the chart,except for generational planets makes it hard to FEEL what others are going through.

My friend with a lack of water in the chart would hit you over the head with some sort of platitude while your heart was aching and needing some sort of heart answer.

I am thinking of someone I know with a lot of water and fire.

He, always, feels. His ability to feel helps to takes the pain out of my wounds.

I would hate to have lack of water more than anything else,now that I think of it.

That may be one of the worst things to deal with ,in the charts.

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posted November 03, 2010 03:05 AM         

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MVM

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Aries moon. I can haz theatrixs plz

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posted November 03, 2010 05:34 AM         

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Drama --- Leo somewhere + Air to fuel the fire.

All or nothing opinions --- Fixed Mercury. Mercury in aspect to Pluto.

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