posted December 27, 2010 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by lucie:
heya nordic!

ohke if i get you right,then you say that cause virgo is at cusp of my 12th house,mercury rules my 12th H,ehm...i thought mercury rules gemini thanks for the enlightenment!

you are totally right with the chiron thing!but i heal myslef in many ways,mostly through doing arts or music.i am not good at helping others with the same problem cause i am too much of an empath and i feel things too ontensely...thats why i stay on a distance,but always open to discuss this topic.statistics say that 20%of those who have been abused actually do speak out in public,i think it was very heroic to do what i did by the age of 18 BUT it caused me lots of suffering cause people were questioning me,my friends believe me but family opposed me in a rude way.i think my pluto mercury made me do this.
just lately i met someone with the same problem and she was very open about her trauma after i told her my story so maybe you are right,maybe my very outspoken nature can help others to heal!

and after all i think if i wouldnt have gone through all the pain,emotional pain,then i wouldnt be that ambitious today,actually to be open about this has helaed me too.
i was always wondering what astrological signs there are that can tell about my trauma,thanks nordic for bringing up this difficult topic××

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well, Chiron in 8th also means that you can be a healer in the areas in which you have been wounded. aspecting the conjunction mercury-pluto in first may indicate that the way you can use chiron positively is to speak up, this will be healing for other victims.

needless to say that any time you help others you help yourself.

my best

posted December 27, 2010 12:53 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
well, Chiron in 8th also means that you can be a healer in the areas in which you have been wounded. aspecting the conjunction mercury-pluto in first may indicate that the way you can use chiron positively is to speak up, this will be healing for other victims.

needless to say that any time you help others you help yourself.

my best

Nordicsoul

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how wise nordic,rings very true and now i know hehe i googled! that mercury also rules virgo!

posted December 27, 2010 01:46 PM            

and... in my belief, the more you work positively energies in your chart, the less likely you will have to face the negative side of the planet.

posted December 29, 2010 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
@nordicsoul,
The answer is to accept your so-called 'dark side' so you're not out there attracting it from others. That's what Saturn has helped me with
Also obviously with self-control, and what's called skepticism..a lot of women/girls could benefit from those traits. All it is, is a dose of 'reality' and that is Saturn.
On the other hand I'm attracted to control-freaks cos I think they're absolutely sexy. I have Saturn/Pluto in hard aspect to Venus/Moon/Mars. Omg they do it for me. They're never abusive in any way, they never control me but they have this amazing will and strength of purpose going for their goals, it's intoxicating. Two scoops of that, please

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Hi Leonake,

I hear what you say and I agree that accepting our dark side really helps in the process. But I see this as a first step. There is something else that should be done to work with the energy, other than accepting its presence.

I read somewhere that pluto means "inconditional love". any time i mention this expression people laugh at me, but I suspect that the love is the strongest energy. and when we dont know what to do with it, we tend to do power plays that we see a lot when pluto is in the equation.

is it a way to use this energy in a positive way, rather than repressing, controling it. I guess that saturn (if well aspected with pluto) can help with canalyzing the energy, but I am not sure how saturn would help with forgiveness, letting go, etc...

i saw this book in amazon and found it interesting, but i have not read it...
http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/0877283982/ref=pd_luc_s9_borts_02_03#reader_0877283982

all my best