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Topic: Planets in 8th house and victims of rape
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nordicsoul
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posted December 24, 2010 01:34 PM
  
Hi all,I have been studying the charts of some people I know that has been sexually abused when they were children. I am posting their info below... person number one female
marcury, mars, uranus (chart ruler) and... pluto in 8th.
Mars conjunct pluto exact person number 2 female
moon (in scorpio), mercury in libra, venus in libra, all in 8th house
mars in 4th sextile pluto in 7th person number 3 male (not sure about this one, but i suspect this happened)
mercury, venus in cancer all in 8th
sun sextile pluto
pluto square ascendant could you give inputs about people u know or from ur own experience... what traits they have in their chart that can reveal they have been sexually abused. Thanks a lot! IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted December 24, 2010 02:34 PM
Im curious May I ask why your researching this? Especially why on Christmas Eve. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 24, 2010 02:46 PM
Hi nordicsoul,I have one to add for your criteria:
person female
moon in the 8th
pluto conj saturn, sextile asc/dsc, square mercury IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted December 24, 2010 03:22 PM
Oprah Winfrey spent years of being raped
as a child. She even had a stillborn baby as a result
Jan 39, 1954
Kosciusko, Mississippi
7:51 pm
most astrologers would focus on her Mars in 23'56 Scorpio square Pluto in 24'08 Leo R in 12th She also has Sun in 9'38 Aquarius conjunct Venus in 9'40 Aquarius in 5th square Saturn in 9'03 Scorpio
her 8th house would appear to be empty
but after 2000, big transneptunian objects were discovered
transneptunian dwarf planet Eris is Aries in 8th house - discord,controversy transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Sedna is in 24'23 Aries in 8th house - inuit sea goddess, victim archetype
square Chiron in 23'58 Capricorn in 5th
square Lunar Nodes in 23'56 Capricorn/Cancer in 5th/11th
quincunx Mars in 23'56 Scorpio in 3rd
Transneptunian dwarf planet Haumea in 24'55 Leo R in 12th - hawaiian goddess of childbirth and fertility
conjunct Pluto in 24'08 Leo R in 12th
square Mars in 23'56 Scorpio
Transneptunian dwarf planet Makemake in 25'17 Cancer in 11th - rapanui fertility creation god
oppose/conjunct Lunar Nodes in 23'56 Capricorn/Cancer in 5th/11th
square Sedna in 24'23 Aries in 8th
square Neptune in 26'03 Libra in 2nd
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nordicsoul
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posted December 24, 2010 04:06 PM
Lioness,I am researching these things, i guess due to an intelectual interests. My sister was abused when she was a child. Other than that, i guess is transiting pluto opposing all my stellium in cancer, but this have been for more than one year. In my solar return, it said that i would develop interest for matters of 8th house (including taxes, unemployment benefits, etc), which i have been interested as well. anyway, i have been doing research about rape for a doctoral program i applied for, but it is about beliefs, not astrological at all. but, i got curious when i read a post about somebody having all her planets retrograde and they mention an aspect between pluto and venus. i got curious and searched in the chart of three people I know, including my sister, who has been sexually abused, just to see if there was any connection with pluto and venus...it called my attention that 8th house was always present in the 3 cases. why on crhistmas eve? because i read this post on chrismas eve.. hey, i am living in a foreing country with all my friends abroad. my family live an ocean far from me and I was entertaining myself reading lindaland posts. if this is a christmas eve subject, i dont know, but I dont tell to follow the script of what should be communicated on which day. i am a free spirit and as such, I brought an issue that call my attention today... if that offends somebody, my apologies for bringing such a non cristmas issue today, but this is a site about astrology, not about cristinity...and by the way christ was not born on christmas. any person who has studied a little bit about MITRA, knows that this date is more about pagan celebrations that christ. IP: Logged |
Randall
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posted December 24, 2010 04:09 PM
It's okay; we are an international site, and not everyone celebrates Christmas--not even in the US.------------------
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nordicsoul
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posted December 24, 2010 04:11 PM
thanks Glaucos and Lionel for the info.is there anybody you know who has experience sexual abuse without 8th involvment. i read somewhere that when mars pluto was in opposition it could be avoided by involving the child in physical activities, but that the square was always a karma link. any thought? IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted December 24, 2010 04:20 PM
Glaucus-
What's Transneptunian?IP: Logged |
Lioness
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posted December 24, 2010 04:23 PM
I never said I was offended, I said I was curious why this was a thought on Christmas eve. I was also curious about your research you were doing.. Thanks for taking the time to answer the questions.. I was wondering what you were going to do with the research, would it some how help people.. So here's mine
I was molested 2x by two different men
(different times).. 1 for a few months, and the 2nd for 2 years..
I was then raped at either 13 14 or 15 Sorry I cant remember when.. I have lilth in the 8th, I have Karma cojunct my 8th cusp. 8th cusp is at 27Libra with the rest of the 8th in Scoprio.
I have no natal planets in the 8th..
If you look at a relocation chart then I do have Uranus/Pluto in the 8th.
I do have venus sq pluto from 7th to 4th
Lilith sq my Leo Stellium of Sun,moon,mercury
Lilith quix Chiron from 8th to 1st. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
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posted December 24, 2010 04:36 PM
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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Glaucus-
What's Transneptunian?
objects that orbit beyond Neptune
most of them are kuiper belt objects like Pluto
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No..I am not a Virgo. Developmental Neurodiversity Association facebook group.
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Coffee
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posted December 24, 2010 04:36 PM
House 12th ruler in aspect to Pluto (for rape)House 6 ruler is possible as the old ones never mentioned the difference between crime committed and crime received. I guess the 6/12 axis is used. I would mention my story, about astral rape to me, but no, I don't want to. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted December 24, 2010 04:47 PM
FYI nordicsoul,I have Venus square Pluto, AND 12th house ruler square to Pluto, AND Mars conj Pluto AND 6th house ruler conj Pluto, AND an 8th house Sun: I've never been raped and never will be, never been afraid of a man in my life, not one abusive romantic relationship. BUT, I also have a strong Saturn & Capricorn influence, so Saturn has to be taken into account as well. Mine is conjunct Pluto & Mars.  IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted December 24, 2010 04:53 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
House 12th ruler in aspect to Pluto (for rape)House 6 ruler is possible as the old ones never mentioned the difference between crime committed and crime received. I guess the 6/12 axis is used. I would mention my story, about astral rape to me, but no, I don't want to.
Venus (ruler of 12th) in the 8th, conjunct Moon and South Node, trine Pluto, square Mars in the 4th. I haven't been raped, but I was assaulted as a child. My mother's boyfriend raped her when I was fourteen, and also had me standing between him and a wall, when he was drunk, and he had my hands in his, against the wall, up over my shoulders. So, something might have happened, had my mother not walked out of the living room, and demanded to know what was going on. I was frozen, and relieved when she appeared. IP: Logged |
LauraSmith
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posted December 24, 2010 07:59 PM
I know of a male who was sexually abused (sort of) by his mother. Does it count as sexual abuse if his mom would only continually say things like what a great penis he had and how he'll definitely be a great lover when he grew up etc, etc... His father was actually quite jealous of him and how much attention his mom gave him over her own husband. It's not physical but it's definitely sexual.Nothing in the 8th house, but it's ruler is venus which is in the 12th. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted December 24, 2010 08:06 PM
Moon in the 8th square saturn in 5th and neptune in the 8th square venus and jupiter in 5th. I was molested several times at the age of 12. I read this was common with the moon in the 8th especially if afflicted. Planets here square others in the 5th also can cause all kinds of sexual abberations later on even without abuse.IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted December 24, 2010 08:14 PM
Saturn in the 8th house.
I know someone personally.IP: Logged |
Agent_009
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posted December 24, 2010 08:18 PM
I hope your research can somehow help people too.Indeed, people with Pluto-Venus/Mars are more susceptible to attracting sexual obsession from others & higher chances of sexual abuse.
I have an empty Taurus-8H. Keep in mind, Venus is my chart's ruler and resides in Libra-1H.
I've got:
- Pluto cj Venus (1H).
- Mars (10H) sq. Venus (1H)
- Nessus (10H) sq. Venus (1H). (I get the most sexual assault & harassment from the workplace).
I've never been raped before, simply because I'm very VERY careful. I never get drunk, & I make sure I dont put myself in any "potential," situations. There have been close calls, where I've literally found myself in a cornered attack...but have managed to escape. This is why dating doesnt appeal to me, my Pluto-Venus attracts too many crazies. "Casual-dating," literally doesnt exist/work for me,...even my friends are baffled by these situations I get. My mom has Pluto opp. Venus & Nessus sq. Venus. I dont know her birth time so not sure of the houses. She's been raped twice as a child. By a close family friend & her elementary school teacher.
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21arcturus
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posted December 24, 2010 08:45 PM
Let's get over the Christmas/Christmas eve nonsense yes? It's a lovely day but it doesn't mean your thoughts disappear...I have Saturn Uranus and Neptune (together with Pallas conj. Antares) in the 8th house. 8th is ruled by Jupiter and cusp is on Antares. I was not abused as a Child but suffered debilitating nightmares until age 13, and my father died suddenly when I was 11. I also believed in supernatural forces and entities from a young age, and my sexuality was highly repressed although I had a rich fantasy world. IP: Logged |
raspberri
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posted December 24, 2010 08:53 PM
Saturn in the 8th house is something else.
The 8th house, being our most vulnerable place. And Saturn being there, making us face karmic wars. Taking something so precious away from you. A woman, living the rest of her life, having lost her virgiinity to a rapist. This is so karmic and sad; testing. Truly. IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius
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posted December 24, 2010 09:13 PM
Agent_009,u noticed that well(venus/mars/pluto energies)!! I was going to say that primally one should look at how sexuality of victim is developed and percieved. Venus/pluto people are also very sexually precocious. Lolita syndrom. I'd also look at moon and possible afflications,especially with rapist,i would begin with moon.
Raspberri,i know couple of 8th H saturn persons,no attacks,but very specific sexual indentity:e.g highly sexed up and still ascetic approach. Or compulsive sexual encounters... Guilt assocciated with sexual expression. And one with electra complex.------------------
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mir
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posted December 25, 2010 04:17 AM
My sis is abused for a long period when she was about 11/12/13 years old, by a dirty old farmer where she worked in those years. My mom almost killed him.She has NO planets in the 8th.
Her Pluto is about exactly on her South Node and with an orb of 5* square Venus. The ruler of her 12th is at 26* Taurus.. (is it Venus?... or Gem? as her whole Gem. falls into her 12th) Her Moon (chartruler) is at 21* Scorp (conjunct Neptune at exactly 26* Scorp = 6th cusp) IP: Logged |
littlecloud
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posted December 25, 2010 04:54 AM
Glaucus-
Ok...what's their significance?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 25, 2010 05:36 AM
My mother was abusive.My life has been a singular struggle to pull myself away from her like a fly from fly paper  I have an 8th house stellium---Gem Sun, Gem Merc and Cancer moon.
Neptune in the 12th trines my Sun and Merc.
Pluto conjuncts the MC and sextiles my Sun and Merc.
I am a Scorpio ASC .
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nordicsoul
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posted December 25, 2010 06:55 AM
to all,thanks for posting sensitive information about your own experience. My final intention is 1) to find patterns in the chart that could indicate DANGER
2) to find exceptions to the rule. I mean people whit these placements who has not been victims. what they have done different? how do they manage their intensity to plutonian energy for instance. I read once that people with hard aspect mars-pluto were to be raped, but the opposition was less likely as it could be cannalized the energy. instead the square was not... my intention is PREVENTION. children with these aspects, how parents can work with their child energy to avoid their kids being abuse (well, sometimes the parenta are the abusers). how kids with these aspects can be taught? is there something that can be done with these aspects to transmute this energy into something possitive or this KARMA is DESTYNED to happen? IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted December 25, 2010 07:08 AM
using the information posted so far I have noticed certain pattern repeated, but not always present 1)ruler of 12 aspects pluto
2) saturn in 8th house?transneptunian in 8th house
3)personal planets 8th house
4)venus or mars aspects pluto IP: Logged |
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