posted December 25, 2010 07:18 AM            

Thanks Lioness for sharing...

posted December 25, 2010 07:21 AM            

Thanks for sharing Lioness.

Wonder if relocation works similarly than natal. if so, what about relocating to avoid people with planets in 8th or ruler of 12 aspecting pluto?

posted December 25, 2010 07:24 AM            

BUT, I also have a strong Saturn & Capricorn influence, so Saturn has to be taken into account as well. Mine is conjunct Pluto & Mars.
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this is interesting!!! could you elaborate further on why you think that saturn and capricorn prevent sexual abuse to happen to you. is there is something you have done that other with these aspects should do to prevent?

posted December 25, 2010 11:32 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
original posted by Lioness
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if you look at a relocation chart then I do have Uranus/Pluto in the 8th.
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Thanks Lioness for sharing...

wondering if relocation work similar as natal. if that were the case, it would be advisable to relocate when having children with personal planets in 8th or ruler of 12 aspecting pluto?

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posted December 25, 2010 12:54 PM            

My 12th house ruler (mars) is square pluto
my 6th house ruler (venus) is square pluto
saturn rules my 8th house and is placed in the 12th
moon and jupiter in the 8th house

posted December 25, 2010 01:25 PM            

All the efforts in studying abuse are a complete waste of time unless you check for Nessus and Dejanira aspects.

Ladies with Nessus sq Venus or Mars or Dejanira exact have the highest probability of being physically or emotionally abused.

Many times, the chart of the Male Perpetrator will mirror the chart of the female victim.

You can email me for the collection of data and charts of real life victims, all of whom have Nessus afflictions.

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posted December 25, 2010 01:33 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
NordicSoul,

All the efforts in studying abuse are a complete waste of time unless you check for Nessus and Dejanira aspects.

Ladies with Nessus sq Venus or Mars or Dejanira exact have the highest probability of being physically or emotionally abused.

Many times, the chart of the Male Perpetrator will mirror the chart of the female victim.

You can email me for the collection of data and charts of real life victims, all of whom have Nessus afflictions.

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posted December 25, 2010 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Glaucus-
Ok...what's their significance ?

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Transformation, evolutionary intensification

especially the big transneptunian objects like Pluto,Eris,Makemake,Haumea,Sedna,Orcus,Varuna,Quaoar,and Ixion

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted December 25, 2010 03:02 PM            

Chart ruler opposite Venus
Chart ruler square Mars
Venus square Mars
5H ruler square Uranus (ruler of 12H) and Saturn

posted December 25, 2010 05:21 PM            

My mother was raped by her boyfriend, when she was recovering from surgery, and he was feeling insecure over my Dad visiting us for Christmas. By hurting her, and by lying to her over various things, she left him anyway.

*edit. I would have fought back, it was just unexpected.

posted December 25, 2010 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
NordicSoul,

All the efforts in studying abuse are a complete waste of time unless you check for Nessus and Dejanira aspects.

Ladies with Nessus sq Venus or Mars or Dejanira exact have the highest probability of being physically or emotionally abused.

Many times, the chart of the Male Perpetrator will mirror the chart of the female victim.

You can email me for the collection of data and charts of real life victims, all of whom have Nessus afflictions.

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I dont have the square..
Ness conjuncts Saturn/IC
trines Dej. (exactly)
sextlies mars
opps jupiter (wide 5 orbs)
Quix NN
Ness does WIDLY conjuncts venus (7 orbs)

Dejan
sq NN
trines Ness.
conjuncts 8th cusp (3 orbs)
sextiles mars

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But IDK maybe the difference is how it ended, I took charge (yes as a small kid) and I set boobie traps, to get it to end.. Once I did do that it ended, and I felt as if I won.. I dont see myself as a victim..

posted December 26, 2010 05:34 AM            

additionally veuns15leo/11th house+northnode19leo/11th house and lunar south node in aqua/5th house are the components of my natal grand square.

posted December 26, 2010 07:04 AM            

thanks for sharing your chart.

posted December 26, 2010 07:06 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
Hi Lucie,

thanks for sharing your chart.

I can see that your 12H ruler mercury conjunct pluto and square chiron in 8th house. A confirmation about the 12house ruler aspecting pluto

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posted December 26, 2010 07:14 AM            

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Originally posted by staborgi:
I have experiences with this. My Mars and Pluto are in a wide conjunction in the 7th in Scorpio. I don't have any Nessus or Dejanira afflictions though...Liz Greene has a great book on Pluto called "The Astrology of Fate" which talks about the prevalence of Mars/Pluto aspects in both perpetrators and victims of sexual abuse in her own research. She mentions that in her experience Mars/Pluto aspects are passed down in the family, or at the very least, indicative an extreme sexual energy that is beyond the individual and linked to the family. Both these statements are very true in my case. I'm not the only person in my family who has dealt with this and other woman in my family share this aspect with me.

I highly recommend it as reading material if you're interested in deepening your research.

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Thanks Staborgi,

posted December 26, 2010 09:11 AM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
sorry, I meant your mercury quinqux chiron

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hey nordicsoul!

posted December 26, 2010 12:59 PM            

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Originally posted by lucie:
hey nordicsoul!

thanks for this....i wasnt aware of mercury being my 12 house ruler...maybe you wanna elaborate on this?why is mercury the ruler of the 12th house and what is special about pluto being inconjunct chiron in your opinion?...hehe like i said i am young and still learning...
actually its embedded into a YOD configuration when you take my neptune into account

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Lucie, I am learning as well, so dont expect too much from my explanation, but here it goes

Mercury is the ruler of ur 12H because u have Virgo in the cusp of 12H. this house among other things is the house of sorrow. what bring sorrow? something connecting ur 12H ruler to a planet (pluto)and this conjunction is quinqux chiron, the healer but also something that cause you pain.

from the way you write (not looking at your chart now) I suspect that you are the kind of person who tends to heal yourself through pain. saying in other words, you can keep renewing yourself after a bad experience. you managed to be better person, not a worse person as a result, maybe through helping others to cope...but dont take me so seriously, this is just intuition. some others can elaborate more with your chart.

posted December 27, 2010 12:55 AM            

ohke if i get you right,then you say that cause virgo is at cusp of my 12th house,mercury rules my 12th H,ehm...i thought mercury rules gemini thanks for the enlightenment!

you are totally right with the chiron thing!but i heal myslef in many ways,mostly through doing arts or music.i am not good at helping others with the same problem cause i am too much of an empath and i feel things too ontensely...thats why i stay on a distance,but always open to discuss this topic.statistics say that 20%of those who have been abused actually do speak out in public,i think it was very heroic to do what i did by the age of 18 BUT it caused me lots of suffering cause people were questioning me,my friends believe me but family opposed me in a rude way.i think my pluto mercury made me do this.
just lately i met someone with the same problem and she was very open about her trauma after i told her my story so maybe you are right,maybe my very outspoken nature can help others to heal!