posted January 13, 2011 10:27 PM            

There is nothing new about Ophiuchus.

The astrological influences of the constellation given by Manilius:

"When Ophiuchus, encircled by the serpent's great coils, rises he renders the forms of snakes innocuous to those born under him. They will receive snakes into the folds of their flowing robes, and will exchange kisses with these poisonous monsters and suffer no harm." [Manilius, Astronomica, 1st century AD, book 5, p.333].

"One called Ophiuchus holds apart the serpent which with its mighty spirals [gyris] and twisted body encircles his own, that so he may untie its knots and back that winds in loops. But, bending its supple neck, the serpent looks back and returns; and the other's hands slide over the loosened coils. The struggle will last for ever, since they wage it on level terms with equal powers." [Manilius, Astronomica, 1st century AD, book 1, p.31].
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Ophiuchus.html

Astronomers/Astrologers knew about Ophiuchus since at least 1st Century AD.

Anne Wright's site is good for learning about the constellations http://www.constellationsofwords.com/

so is Diana Rosenberg's http://ye-stars.com/WP/?page_id=11

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posted January 13, 2011 10:39 PM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
lol, ok, what does it mean astrologically and whats its element?

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posted January 13, 2011 10:39 PM            

element,mode,and planetary rulership only applies to to sidereal and tropical zodiacs

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posted January 13, 2011 10:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

element,mode,and planetary rulership only applies to to sidereal and tropical zodiacs

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lol, ok, so whats ophiuchus's sidereal and tropical element, mode and planetary rulership

posted January 13, 2011 10:47 PM            

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Originally posted by NickiG:
lol, ok, so whats ophiuchus's sidereal and tropical element, mode and planetary rulership

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There is no Ophiuchus in sidereal and tropical zodiac

therefore, there is no sidereal and tropical element, mode and ruler

the sidereal and tropical zodiacs were designed to be 12 equal signs and given element,mode,and planetary ruler

Ophiuchus was never included,and so it doesn't have an element,mode,nor ruler

clues to Ophiuchus' meaning http://www.constellationsofwords.com/Constellations/Oph iuchus.html#Speculation_on_the_meaning_of_this_celestial_feature

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No..I am not a Virgo.

posted January 13, 2011 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:
There is no Ophiuchus in sidereal and tropical zodiac

therefore, there is no sidereal and tropical element, mode and ruler

the sidereal and tropical zodiacs were designed to be 12 equal signs and given element,mode,and planetary rulership
Ophiuchus was never included,and so it doesn't have an element,mode,and ruler

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ah ok..i'll just forget about it then lol

posted January 13, 2011 10:49 PM            

You’re still an Aqua Sun. Western astrologers use the Tropical Zodiac which is not based on the actual ecliptic (which has more than 12 constellations anyway). The Tropical Zodiac never shifts degrees, the Sun reaches Aries Point (0 Aries) on March 20, ALWAYS.

Vedic astrologers, however, use the Sidereal Zodiac, which does account for degree shifts (but is still not entirely based on the actual ecliptic that astronomers use). In Vedic Astrology, you are probably a Capricorn (which has different interpretations than the Western Capricorn has anyway).

SO ALL YA’LL FOOLS FREAKING OUT ABOUT “OMG IM NOT A LEO ANYMORE?!??!” NEED TO STOP.

posted January 13, 2011 11:03 PM            

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posted January 13, 2011 11:04 PM            

Also Vedic Astrologers use 27 nakshatras to go with the 12 zodiac signs http://www.galacticcenter.org/main/nakshatras/the-27-nakshatras.html

My Sun is in Swati, my Moon is in Shatabishak,and my Ascendant is in Purva Phalguni

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posted January 13, 2011 11:46 PM            

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Originally posted by starzy54:
The way I kinda see it is,The only perceivable thing that would change about our Signs is the name we call ourselves .If I am now actually a Sagittarius,All former Cappy's along with me would become one also.Nothing about our personalities or influences would change,just our name would change.Sagitarians would than hold all the traits of Cappys,we would just call eachother by another name.Right? ..

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no
if the planets,points were in late degrees Capricorn, then it's in the Capricorn constellation

not all tropical planets in Scorpio would be in the constellation Libra
Being born on October 29th, my Sun in tropical Scorpio was in the Virgo constellation. It's just 2 days before the Sun went into Libra constellation.

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posted January 14, 2011 12:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Glaucus:

take for instance my Sun in Virgo constellation...

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okay.

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No..I am not a Virgo.

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posted January 14, 2011 12:25 AM            

And this just reinforces why I'm not into "ALL AQUAZ ARE DIS, ALL CANCERZ DO DAT" because. thats. not. how. astrology. works.

posted January 14, 2011 12:39 AM            

I'm a little dubious about adding Ophiacus(sp?)though.

I'm not that well educated in matters such as this,but I wonder why astrologers didn't add this sign in the first place.

I try to be open minded to all the possibilities and I've never completely felt like a Scorpio sun sign,(in the "new" zodiac and in Western Sidereal I am a Libra on the cusp) even with a uranus,sun,mars,mercury stellium in scorpio.

I've been experimenting with Western Sidereal for that very reason lately.

posted January 14, 2011 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
huh??

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That's referring to Sun in tropical Virgo

it's not the same as Sun in constellation Virgo

I already explained about the differences in their meanings

Sun in tropical Virgo gets its traits from being mutable earth ruled by Mercury

Sun in constellation Virgo is based on the mythology of Greek Goddess of Justice, Astraea and the Greek Goddess of the Harvest, Demeter

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posted January 14, 2011 01:07 AM            

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Originally posted by joyrjw:
I believe that the things have shifted and therefore most likely the signs.

I'm a little dubious about adding Ophiacus(sp?)though.

I'm not that well educated in matters such as this,but I wonder why astrologers didn't add this sign in the first place.

I try to be open minded to all the possibilities and I've never completely felt like a Scorpio sun sign,(in the "new" zodiac and in Western Sidereal I am a Libra on the cusp) even with a uranus,sun,mars,mercury stellium in scorpio.

I've been experimenting with Western Sidereal for that very reason lately.

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astrologers didn't add Ophiuchus because it would disturb orders in relation to the 12 signs

the 3 modes
cardinal - 4
fixed - 4
mutable - 4

the 4 elements
earth - 3
air - 3
fire - 3
water - 3

The 4 seasons
spring - 3
summer - 3
winter - 3
fall - 3

The gender
6 feminine/reactive/negative/yin
6 masculine/active/positive/yang

the rulerships

Leo ruled by the Sun
Aries day ruled by Mars
Gemini day ruled by Mercury
Libra day ruled by Venus
Sagittarius day ruled by Jupiter
Aquarius day ruled by Saturn

Cancer ruled by the Moon
Scorpio night ruled by Mars
Virgo night ruled by Mercury
Taurus night ruled by Venus
Pisces night ruled by Jupiter
Capricorn night ruled by Saturn

There is also the 12 divisions of 360 degrees (circle) with 30 degrees for all signs

adding Ophiuchus to the tropical,sidereal zodiac systems would disturb the orders based on 12 and its divisions

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No..I am not a Virgo.