posted January 29, 2011 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
Also it can spur the native to always work harder and push forward no matter what, which is never a bad thing.

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This isnt venus neptune.
it would be another influence in the chart.

posted January 29, 2011 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Frozen Queen:
Wow what an aspect to have

This is me...

Venus 12Lib sq Neptune 8Cap

What would you say about this Knowflakes?

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posted January 29, 2011 07:22 PM            

5th/12th house ruler Venus in 25'04 Cancer in 2nd
square 10th house ruler Neptune in 23'24 Libra in 5th

My mother always had problems with love/relationships
She got involved with men that had instability/drug issues like my biological father. She had friends that problems with drugs and alcohol.
She is a recovering drug addict/alcoholic neurodivergent with problems with anxiety and depression. All that stuff runs in the family.
She also had a history of interracial relationships including my biological father and stepfather as well as other men of African American ancestry.
She was forced to give up her firstborn son up for adoption right after she gave birth to him,and so she never knew him.
She ran away from home and met my father. I was the result. He was unstable, and she left him.
They reconciled,but he was using drugs and got her using them. She wised up and kicked him out. He disappeared without a trace by the time I was a year and half years old.
She spent some time in jail,and so I was in foster home for awhile.
She got cut and shot by a schizophrenic that broke in our home. She told me that he even tried to rape her. She had to get a blood transfusion that gave her Hepatitis C.
She got into a relationship with my stepfather who took advantage of her vulnerability after the traumatic event. She eventually got together with him after he promising security and help take care of me.
She had to raise a special education needs child which was me.
I grew up abused by her.
She eventually broke up with him when I was 18 years old right before I graduated from high school.
She reunited with my half brother when I was 21 years old, and she finally told me the truth about having another child.
To make the long story short, she had platonic relationship with a recovering drug addict, and they were roommates from 1995 to his death from a heart attack in 2009. Problems with diabetes progressed that she lost both her legs, and she even almost died December of 2010.
My mother is very artistic type too.
She was also a licensed cosmetologist. She was hairdresser and then later on a manicurist.
She's a great cook too.
She has been on disability for a long time, and she turns to me financial help which I readily give. She currently rents a duplex and the landlord is her caretaker.

Her Venus square Neptune is not isolated. It has other aspects

Her Venus in 25'04 Cancer is conjunct her Uranus in 21'25 Cancer which can indicate unstable,unpredictable lovelife and valuing her independence
It could also fit with her interracial relationship history.

Her Venus square Sedna with 25'29 Aries which can indicate her love,relationships,values involve environmental awareness,caretaking for humanity,victimization as well as evolutionary intensification
This could fit her history of abusive relationships

She actually has a t-square of Venus square the opposition of Neptune and Sedna

Of course, with Venus in her 5th house as her 5th house ruler, this could stuff pertain to her children
The configuration fits having an ultrasensitive,neurodivergent,special needs child with an ultrasensitive,neurodivergent romantic partner.
My biological father was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic which I believe was his neurodivergence being misdiagnosed.
She had her problems with psychiatrist medicating with antipsychotics when she 12 or 13 which screwed up her metabolism. Antipsychotics can lead to diabetes. She's been in mental hospitals numerous times.
Hard Venus-Neptune aspects are said to be indicators for blood sugar problems which she has.
I am strong in both Neptune and Sedna energy.

Her Venus oppose Chiron in 27'45 Capricorn R in 8th,
and that fits with being hurt,wounded in regards to love,relationships
it could also indicate her feeling inadequate about her beauty

This also fits with me for I have a strong Chiron energy.

That's pretty much it.

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posted January 29, 2011 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Taurus81:
do you tend to have them try to manipulate you in some way, eithor you wind up taking care of them or they present themselves as more competent at being a partner than they are? or maybe you delude yourself in this aspect?

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Manipulation, yes. It could also be because my Venus is domiciled in Libra and 2nd house, but I tend to accomodate people and their needs to a large extent. I hate unpleasantness and fights turn me off so I try to avoid conflict in a relationship and focus on making things amicable for both parties involved.

Unpleasantness and stress in a relationship does give me actual physical illness and sadly, some people try to manipulate this. I can only accommodate so much before my patience snaps.

posted January 29, 2011 11:16 PM            

Venus quintile Neptune: Finding stylized ways of expressing a universal love of humanity or sympathy for the human condition; having value-systems that centre around the submergence of individuality in the greater good; developing an elusive charm, able to attract others by one's air of caringness and sensitivity; a love of flowing forms in art, with no sharp boundaries or vivid effects.

posted January 29, 2011 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Frozen Queen:
Manipulation, yes. It could also be because my Venus is domiciled in Libra and 2nd house, but I tend to accomodate people and their needs to a large extent. I hate unpleasantness and fights turn me off so I try to avoid conflict in a relationship and focus on making things amicable for both parties involved.

Unpleasantness and stress in a relationship does give me actual physical illness and sadly, some people try to manipulate this. I can only accommodate so much before my patience snaps.

As an example, I had this fight with someone I was in love with at the time and after trying to make him see my point and failing, I begged him to just let it lie for sometime. He said a few choice words that hurt me a lot at the time and went to sleep while I ended up crying all night long. I finally fell asleep out of exhaustion. The next day I had to give an exam(I'm still in college) and it took all the willpower I had to stop myself from breaking down in the examination hall.

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posted January 30, 2011 07:36 AM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
I have also realized that this aspect contributes to false love. Believing you have fallen in love with someone who in reality you are not in love with. Part of it is chasing that in love feeling, and another is that need to be loved that is so important in this aspect. It has led me to recognize that I have only been truly in love once, I came close a second and possibly a third time but the others I'm not sure would've worked out anyway.

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posted January 30, 2011 10:57 AM            

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Originally posted by littlecloud:
I don't think I was clear on what I said. What I meant was that this aspect makes you think that you are in love with someone even though you know you don't love them deep down inside. The reason you stay with this person could be other factors in the chart or just the whole fact that you don't want to accept the reality that even though this person is nice (in some cases) and almost perfect there is still that special something that is missing. Natives of this aspect tend to fall in love with someone because they seem like the ideal person to love, therefore they should love them. A very general example would be marrying someone that will provide all the material necessities in life versus marrying someone that provide everything else you need.

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EXACTLY and it messes with your head! especially over time because your human, there's potential to slip up and hurt that ideal person, then they don't act so ideally anymore, and it's not a pretty cycle

posted January 30, 2011 11:12 AM            

Well it takes one to know one.

I think this all sort of clicked in my brain when I read something that Ami Anne had posted in another thread. She said the one thing that abusers teach you is NOT to trust yourself. I have been in physical, mental, and sexually abusive relationships. They all left me with this feeling I couldn't put words to. Unease, anger and great sense of loss. Once I read this it felt SO obvious. THAT was one of the things I had been mourning and feeling the loss of, my own self-trust.

With this aspect being prone to these manipulative/abusive relationships I believe this a great issue with the native. To just trust your inner voice. It's there for a reason. I suppose that's what a venus hard aspect neptune is supposed to teach us, to just trust ourselves and our intuition. To go beyond the ideals of love and truly feel and give it unconditionally.

I think one of the problems with people and love (I'm not sure if it specifically relates to this Venus/Neptune aspect) is that they EXPECT love in return. Instead of being happy to just experience giving love to someone. That's how I felt when I truly fell in love. I was happy just because I was able to love someone. I think the best part of it for me was not being able to say "I love him because.." This is also one of the very few times that I absolutely just trusted my gut feelings. I knew something big and life changing was happening to me and I knew that deep down he loved me too even though he never said it. I would just touch him and would feel what he felt. I looked into his eyes and I knew what was there. I knew we were happy together.

Even though he broke my heart I still hold this love on a pedestal because I know what true love for me is. The only hard part with this aspect is that I'm so eager to find it that I "find" in people where it really wasn't there to begin with.

posted January 30, 2011 11:24 AM            

I read how much it is associated with loving someone who is, or being, an alcohol or drug addict. Also associated with having a parent with similar problems... It indicates that the heart chakra opened too early because of the suffering of a parent.

I think it's a really difficult aspect, but it can aid creative pursuits, poetry, spirituality etc.

Just remember that your heart is open to anyone, but you often need to use more discernment when assessing who is worthy of your love because you give love your all.

posted January 30, 2011 03:26 PM            

I have one way of resolving the orbs thing... That is if an aspect runs in the family, no matter how wide it is (within 10-15 dgrees?), then it counts.

For example...
Pluto aspecting the Sun or asc
My grandfather had it
My mother had it
I have it
My son has it

Venus aspecting Neptune
I have it
My sister has it
My mum has it

It's also a really good way of seeing how your family evolves. Like my two boys don't have neptune Venus aspects...I'm HOPING that means they will have realistic expectations of love.

posted January 30, 2011 03:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:
I have a wide square of Venus/Neptune... 5 degrees, does it count?

I read how much it is associated with loving someone who is, or being, an alcohol or drug addict. Also associated with having a parent with similar problems... It indicates that the heart chakra opened too early because of the suffering of a parent.

I think it's a really difficult aspect, but it can aid creative pursuits, poetry, spirituality etc.

Just remember that your heart is open to anyone, but you often need to use more discernment when assessing who is worthy of your love because you give love your all.

There is loving someone and there is mutual respect, and there needs to be both.

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I use a maximum orb of 5 degrees

I would count it as being within orb

that's just my view

other astrologers might think otherwise because of the subjectivity of orb allowances

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posted January 30, 2011 03:41 PM            

I have Venus parallel Neptune -'47

I can relate to stuff involving Venus square Neptune

I believe that my Moon in Pisces square Neptune - 1'23

is also factor in why I can relate to Venus square Neptune

especially with both Moon and Venus having to do with my anima ,how I relate to females in my life

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posted January 30, 2011 04:20 PM            

Regarding Pluto... I think of the aspects in your chart as unlocking codes of behaviour. I can actually pinpoint a certain stubborn willfulness in my grandfather, my mum, myself and my son. My mum used to say to me that her father was very charismatic but always getting into trouble because he was so passionate and fought to the end!...Then she would say, I can see that in you....I can definitely see tenacity and willfulness in my son!
I suppose we do learn behaviours from each other, but perhaps some things are genetic? The chart should show these genetic tendencies also.

Maira, my bf's also have strong Neptune. My ex is a Pisces.

Glaucus you totally have a knack for Venus/Neptune, you've seen it in action in your mother.

posted January 30, 2011 04:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:
I have a wide square of Venus/Neptune... 5 degrees, does it count?

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yes

posted January 30, 2011 07:22 PM            

my Neptune rests in the 5th house (by 6th house cusp, but have always related to 5th more than 6th) it squares my moon by 1 orb (my moon is in aries, square neptune in capricorn, which is exactly the same place her Venus is, her venus is in aries, conjunct my moon, square her natal neptune at 9 capricorn and square my natal neptune in the same place, 9 capricorn).

if you considere wide orb squares like i do, neptune squares my Venus by 7 orb.

Neptune Trines my Mars by 1 orb, and opposes jupiter, conjuncts saturn.

my neptune also conjuncts her DSC exactly.