posted January 27, 2011 05:05 PM            

My Sun is at 16Leo (father)
My Moon is at 14LEo (mother)

I only have good aspects to both.

both conjunct mercury Leo
both sextile Saturn Gem
both sextile URanus Lib
both trine Chiron (aries)

But heres the part I dont get.. I never met my father, I did find him when I was 25, we spoke a few times, but never met.. Actually he never knew about me, until I told him...lol HI DADDY!!!

posted January 27, 2011 06:04 PM            

Tons of sun leos have absent fathers...he's always mythic in some way.

posted January 27, 2011 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Im a little confused, about my parents in my chart.

My Sun is at 16Leo (father)
My Moon is at 14LEo (mother)

I only have good aspects to both.

both conjunct mercury Leo
both sextile Saturn Gem
both sextile URanus Lib
both trine Chiron (aries)

But heres the part I dont get.. I never met my father, I did find him when I was 25, we spoke a few times, but never met.. Actually he never knew about me, until I told him...lol HI DADDY!!!

My mom raised me alone, she's kinda flaky.. I grew up very poor, and alone.. I basicly feel she did what she could for me, but has abanonded me. She basiclly removed herself from my life, when I turned 18/19..
So shouldnt I have harder aspects to Sun/Moon?
Does that makes sense, in my Chart?

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you left out the transneptunians

Pluto's fellow dwarf planet, Makemake in 15'56 Leo named after the Rapanui Fertility Creation God is conjunct your Sun and Moon.

Conjunctions involving transneptunian dwarf planets aren't necessarily easy aspects. Conjunction is viewed as a hard aspect by cosmobiologys and uranian astrologers. They view them as the event-oriented aspects.
The conjunction,waxing square,opposition,and waning square correspond to the cardinal signs, Aries,Cancer,Libra,and Capricorn which are signs associated with action and initiation.

any ways
transneptunian objects orbit beyond Neptune, and so they are highly metaphysically oriented objects. Neptune is associated with dissolution. With Neptune, the boundaries are being dissolved which leads to piercing the veil which leads to seeing
the "other side." Once you get past Neptune and into the transneptunion regions of the solar system, you're at the other side. You're into the "unkown."

transneptunian region is about the other side and unknown

Transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate energies are not easy energies to handle because of their highly metaphysical orientation and can indicate possible problems on the physical plane.
This goes especially for Sedna which has the longest orbital and greatest average distance by far.
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posted January 27, 2011 06:34 PM            

Makemake is named after Easter Island's Rapanui Fertility Creation God. It can be associated with fertility,creativity. Its Heliocentric Node is in Gemini,and so it can be involved in communications. Its Perihelion (the closest point of an objects to the Sun) is in Aries,and so it can be about competitiveness. The Rapanui had a Birdman competition which involved carrying an egg without breaking. It was a competition related to Makemake.
Rapanui were Polynesian people.

here is some more info on Makemake: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makemake_%28dwarf_planet%29

Philip Sedgwick's preliminary keywords for Makemake which are based on the mythology, the zodiac sign placement of its heliocentric north node,the zodiac sign placement of its perihelion,and its overall astronomical/orbital features:

Dwarf Planet: Makemake (Easter Bunny / 136472 / 2005 FY9)

Orbital Period 309.00 yr., 2nd brightest KBO (Pluto #1), 1,250 km diameter? From Rapa Nui. Pronounced maki-maki.

Positive: Articulate and ultra-communicative. Self-assuredness, especially by verbal means. Clever, quick-witted and interested in invoking insight and inspiration with speech. Quick to report findings, regardless of impact. Courageous, possessing the willfulness to confront the peril required for discovery or spiritual evolution. Conscious of family security and safety. Protection of the brood.

Negative: Cunning and verbally manipulative. Double talk. Diversion of facts. Declaring false findings (laying an egg, so to speak). Taking flight to avoid consequence. Hiding as a coping skill. Reckless. Disregard for safety of the home. Self-serving.

Mundane: Data collection to support a doctrine or cause. Books, especially those of multi-cultural interest. Translation especially with a cross-cultural theme. Cultural synthesis. Integration of tasks. Computer iterations and/or algorithms. Dissemination of information whether true or false. Split second decisions. Lightning fast assessment. Fertility and fertility procedures. Birds. Fans. Eggs. Creeds. Documents of self declaration - affirmation statements, bios or autobiographies, a feather in one’s cap, selecting a safe location for nesting.

Ceremonial: Incantations. Oral remedies for healing. Meditations to unify the minds of several. Isolation for ceremonial purposes. Shamanic retreat. Cave ceremonies. Ceremonies involving hair cutting. Personal acceptance of one’s cause and karma. Ceremonies involving the use of feathers or eggs (feather fans, Eagle feather cleansing, the egg diagnostics of curanderos and curanderas - common in Ecuador, one of Rapa Nui’s neighbors).
http://philipsedgwick.com/

Alison Chester Lambert's article on Makemake http://www.midlandsschoolofastrology.co.uk/makemake_great_sea_spirit_of_easter_islan d.html

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posted January 27, 2011 06:36 PM            

Kat

posted January 27, 2011 06:47 PM            

oh, and mercury is in the mix to which brings some unstable energy to a usually stable/fixed sign placement.

posted January 27, 2011 07:03 PM            

I never knew my father, and I haven't seen my stepfather since I was 18 years old after my mom broke up with him. He was abusive to both my mother and me.

My upbringing with my mother has been dysfunctional.
It was an abusive upbringing with her.

My Sun has the following transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects:

Sun
conjunct Ixion - '05
conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node - '10
oppose Geocentric North Eris Node - '09
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Eris Nodes - '10
conjunct Quaoar - 2'58 (1'47 in Right Ascension)
oppose Sedna - '44 in Right Ascension
quincunx Varuna - '04 in Right Ascension
contraparallel Orcus - '01

Therefore the Sun is ultra evolutionary intensified

My Moon is already challenged with it being part of an apex t-square with it being square the opposition of Jupiter,Neptune in Sagittarius and retrograde Saturn in Gemini

but my Moon is ultra evolutionary intensified with the following transneptunian dwarf planet candidate aspects

Moon
trine Quaoar - '50
trine Ixion - 2'15
square Varuna - '10
sextile Sedna - 1'06 ('39 in Right Ascension
semisquare Eris - '07 in Right Ascension

The Midheaven/Imum Coeli axis (that astrologers say is parental axis) is highly evolutionary intensified with the following transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate aspects:

conjunct/oppose the Geocentric North Ixion Node -'44
conjunct the Heliocentric Ixion Nodes - '44
square Haumea - '03
biquintile Ixion - '10

The extreme transneptunian energy could reflect my neurodivergence. Both my parents are/were neurodivergent. My late biological father was the more extreme neurodivergent parent and was even diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. My mother was in psychiatric hospitals including when she was around 13 years old. Psychiatrists forced her on antipsychotic medications because she had an emotional meltdown because she wanted to go home. My mom was in numerous fosterhomes that she ran away from. I was misdiagnosed as having bipolar disorder with schizoaffective disorder.

It also reflects my history of being abused at home as well as the dangerous,traumatic experience that I had with my mother when she was shot and I was with her at the time. That happened just 3 days before my 3rd birthday. Both my parents are/were strong believers in the metaphysical. My father actually came from a Black Creole culture in Lousiana,and his grandmother practiced magick/spirit protection which he also practiced. My mom had her strong metaphysical beliefs, and she's a non-practicing Roman Catholic. Of course, I am also metaphysically oriented type too. My mom also had a history of cervical cancer which led to a hysterectomy when she was 23.

I believe that there is the possibility of more dangerous,traumatic experiences in my life that are reflected by the extreme transneptunian influences in my chart.

It all fits with:

Evolutionary intensified lessons and experiences.
Evolutionary suggests that emotional and spiritual crisis induced by the presence and passage of these bodies intends to enhance the insight, inspiration, creativity and consciousness of a person on Earth and through events on Earth containing these bodies in significant locations.":

It means that this energy involves lessons,experiences that can really make or break you. The hard aspects tend to indicate the possibility of experiencing some type of trauma which may be trying to the spirit but can eventually help you to grow spiritually. What doesn't kill you can make you stronger is something that can be applied the transneptunian dwarf planets,transneptunian dwarf planet candidates.
It's a highly metaphysical energy that involves insight,inspiration,and creativity that should be use not just for your benefit but for the benefit of others. These energies are about about going well beyond yourself and tapping into that mass consciousness.
There is a potential to really make a mark on the world and effect people on a grand scale

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posted January 27, 2011 08:03 PM            

@Gluscus yes I remember you telling me I have the strongest makemake you have ever seen. I just didnt realize it would effect my upbringing.

@dys... I never knew that Leos in general have absent fathers.. very interesting..

@littlecoud.. Yeah your prob right about the T-square showing the family probs.. I never looked at it that way, more so in relationship..

All of you guys are sooo good

I do know, that my mom did what she could for me... But I was really lonely as a child... My mom was a single mother, so I had to come home from school to an empty house, and do things for me self...

Also I am an only child.. I think thats the Saturn in the 3rd.. no??

posted January 27, 2011 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Oo wow.. Thanks everyone...

@Gluscus yes I remember you telling me I have the strongest makemake you have ever seen. I just didnt realize it would effect my upbringing.

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If transneptunian dwarf planet Pluto can effect an upbringing, I don't why any of its fellow transneptunian dwarf planets Eris,Makemake,and Haumea can't as well as the transneptunian dwarf planet candidates , Sedna,Orcus,Quaoar,Varuna,and Ixion.

Pluto represented the 20th Century and mainstream Astrology is pretty much 20th Century system, and Pluto was discovered in the 20th Century.

Pluto's fellow transneptunian dwarf planets/candidates represent the 21st Century, and they were discovered in the 21st Century.

Mainstream Astrology is based on the notion that the solar system ended with Pluto.

After astronomers started finding other objects that orbited beyond Neptune besides Pluto, we realize that the solar system doesn't end with Pluto.

Therefore, Pluto isn't the only object associated with evolutionary intensification.

If mainstream astrologers looked at my chart the regular way, they missed out on a lot of who I am.

I really believe that is the case with other people who are strong in the 21st century transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate objects.

It also makes sense
if the 21st century objects are overlooked, then the 21st century object people are the ones that tend to be misunderstood and hard to figure out due to the complexity and subtlety of these transneptunian dwarf planet/candidate energies. This goes especially for people strong in Sedna energy for Sedna has the greatest average distance and longest orbital period by far,suggesting the most metaphysically oriented energy of all.

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posted January 27, 2011 08:43 PM            

I have it at 3Taurus
sextile venus
sq NN (wide.. nn at 26Cap)
quinx Neptune
trine jupiter

posted January 29, 2011 12:42 PM            

I reember reading somewhere, that you posted that the purpose of you parents relationship, was solely to bring you in the world..

I guess its the same for me.. My mom never even told him she was pregnant..

I was actually conceived here in California, my mom moved back to Kentucky before she found out she was pregnant..

(both my mom and dad, worked together as traveling sells man, selling magazines) He was also from the same town in Kentucky.. He use to hang around with my aunt in School..

We stayed in Kentucky until I was 6.. At the age of 6 my mom packed us up and moved here to Los Angeles. So I was moved away from any and all family.. All aunts, cousins, Grandparents.. It was just me and my mom since the age of 6....
I guess I have no karma with them..

When I turned 19 I moved out of the house, and my mom packed up and moved back to kentucky.. Having very little contact with me, and no contact with her grandchildren.

My mom is now content with living in Ky, she says she's never going to move again.. She has no reason to come to Ca... She says she wont come back here, not even to visit.

posted January 29, 2011 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
@Glaucus..

I reember reading somewhere, that you posted that the purpose of you parents relationship, was solely to bring you in the world..

I guess its the same for me.. My mom never even told him she was pregnant..

I was actually conceived here in California, my mom moved back to Kentucky before she found out she was pregnant..

(both my mom and dad, worked together as traveling sells man, selling magazines) He was also from the same town in Kentucky.. He use to hang around with my aunt in School..

We stayed in Kentucky until I was 6.. At the age of 6 my mom packed us up and moved here to Los Angeles. So I was moved away from any and all family.. All aunts, cousins, Grandparents.. It was just me and my mom since the age of 6....
I guess I have no karma with them..

When I turned 19 I moved out of the house, and my mom packed up and moved back to kentucky.. Having very little contact with me, and no contact with her grandchildren.

My mom is now content with living in Ky, she says she's never going to move again.. She has no reason to come to Ca... She says she wont come back here, not even to visit.

I only went back to Ky, once since she left. That was about 6 years ago...

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Very interesting

My mom had a son when she was 15 1/2 years old. The father was the nephew of her stepmother. My maternal grandfather was so angry about her being pregnant,he put a gun to the guy's head. He was pushed into joining the Marines. Therefore,the couple was separated. She was forced to give up her baby for adoption. She ran away from home in Sacramento,California. She went to San Francisco,California which was the birthplace of her biological mother. This was all in December of 1969.

In February 1970, she met my biological father outside the apartment complex where a friend of hers live. She would visit and stay with her. A year after, they became close and I was conceived. The relationship didn't last long. My father was emotionally unstable, and my mother went back to Sacramento with me. He even eventually moved in with us unexpected after my mom invited him to see me. By then, he went back to using drugs. He was a recovering addict. He had a relapse after my mom left him. He started selling drugs again. He ended up getting my mom using drugs. She eventually woke up and kicked him out. The last time she had contact from him, I was a 1 1/2 years old. He was in Seattle, Washington at the time.

He was born on Jan 2, 1941 in New Orleans,Louisiana and grew up in Lake Charles, Louisiana. At around 19 years old, he moved to Los Angeles, California to be with his uncle who was financially well-off. It turned out that he was a hustler and the family didn't know about it, and he got my father selling drugs for him which got him arrested and sent to prison. He was in prison a couple of times before he met my mother.

He had Moon in Pisces like both my maternal grandfather and me.

Therefore, my mom got in involved with a man who had the same moonsign as her father,and ended up having a son with the same moonsign as both of them. That was after 23 hour labor and 1 month early. If I was born on the day that she started labor, I would have Moon in Aquarius.

On December 2, 2008
I did a solar return post about my mom meeting my father.

The Solar Return Of A Destined Relationship http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/020240.html

Her Solar Return with the asteroids were very interesting. Her Sun was conjunct a name asteroid pertaining to my father. She met my father 8 months into her June 12 1969-1970 Solar Return period.
Transneptunian dwarf planet candidate Sedna was conjunct the Imum Coeli in the Solar Return.

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posted January 29, 2011 01:35 PM            

I was suppose to be born in Sept.. My mom was in labor for 3 days... ha ha ha I was stubborn even then...

I dont know my Dad's b-day.. So I dont even know his Sun Sign.. I wish I could do a chart on them.

My father did go back to Ky, when I was 6 months old.. He was in jail, my mom went to go see him so she could tell him, but she chickened out.. She didnt tell him.
A week later she went back to the jail, to tell him, and they told her, he is being being prepared to be extradited to Ca..
Then a day later, there was an emergency breakthrough on the TV, saying 3 inmates of escape the county jail during extradition.

Guess who's pic they showed?? Yeap my dad..
That was the last time, she ever saw or heard anything about him again..

posted January 29, 2011 01:35 PM            

Check synastry.
My pluto square my mothers Sun.
My venus conj my fathers merk. We love to talk to each other.

posted January 29, 2011 01:49 PM            

Ladies please come forward, if you have a daughter from him... LOL....

That I know of there is 4 of us, so far..

Here's a pic of me, when I was about 16...
OMG dont laugh at the hair! It was the 80's what can I say!!

posted January 29, 2011 01:51 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
Lioness,by ur sun/moon i'd say u r confident. Rock solid,deep down(cuz sometimes thinking too much can bring inedcisiveness which one can easily describe as insecurities)
U know,resilient little thing

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posted January 29, 2011 01:57 PM            

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Originally posted by Lioness:
Well yes I am confident, but I do have my own insecurities also. Only I wont express them, and let anyone know about them... At least not face to face..

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I how it would be with
Your Makemake conjunct your Sun and Moon,and your Eris trine all that.

I'd think that there is a possibility of insecurities because of having a nonconformist nature. After you become secure in that nonconformist nature, you can achieve great power and touch the lives of others.

That evolutionary intensified nature of Makemake and Eris.

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