posted February 09, 2011 02:58 AM            

with aries libra it might be hard because they are both Going somewhere in the status as is cancer and capricorn especially

in fixed signs its about leadership, but How do they lead?

in mutable, im not sure. just how they reach understandings?

i read the aqua-leo stuff, but in all honesty it doesnt make me concerned.

there is so many factors both within astrology and outside of it that decide things.

i feel oppositions can work it just depends on the rest of the planets, the chances are 50/50 for lots of squares/oppositions, or quite a few trines?

me and my partners Venus's also oppose eachother, in Aries and Libra.

the main square signs we have is our mars and moons. they don't square by aspect.

sun opposite sun, excusing wahtever signs it may be,

is all about who is leading who, the suns are about wisdom and leadership.

they are also about attention and fixed traits about the self.

so when the suns are in opposite, they have the exact same goal in mind, they both want to journey to the same place (like all oppositions between identicle planets, e.g. our venus;s) but HOW they do, get there, or reach understanding is coming from a Different angle/background..

the difference imo, from opposition and square, is square finds it hard to understand or grasp the other, but worse of all their ways irritate eachother.

oppositions grasp and understand eachother but depending on the rest of the chart especially, may not always agree with eachothers approach being best. and neither will stand down easily if they are really invested into their pride or wisdom. but thats what sun opposite sun by aspect or sign is about (but especially by aspect) there is strong energy for thw two to eithe rwork with and combine, or disagree and say "no my approach is better, you should do it this way, this is how it should be done" but what the energy of the aspect promises is that they learn from eachother how to show/acheive and do things for the same goal but from a new perspective that offers strengths to the other in areas they are weak.

key word - Should.

suns think they know best.

think of two travelers coming from accross the world and both came from the opposite direction. the middle where they meet is a giant mountain, thats where both of them have been trying to get to, and have arrived. both of the people got there in different ways for different reasons but they understand eachother. and rather like and admire eachother's own way.

but now lets say they both have to climb up the mountain together, but they both have to decide the same course of planning (they can't work together seperately) both people think they wisely know the best route and why, but they don't agree with eachothers idea being best, though they both very much like eachothers idea and understand it.

thats sun opposite sun energy when its being inharmonious in co operation.

when its being harmonious, they will combine both ideas or concede one person came up with a better one on that occasion. and consider eachother.

posted February 09, 2011 03:26 AM            

Here is an article about Sun signs, Earth signs and how Sun-Earth are a polarity

If you understand the polarity of the Sun and Earth , and then you can see how the Sun-Sun opposition can be compatible with each other.
After all Sun oppose Sun is a double whammy of Sun conjunct Earth. Sun in Aries oppose Sun in Libra equates to Sun in Aries conjunct Earth in Aries and Sun in Libra conjunct Earth in Libra.

Sun in Aries person could learn Aries stuff from Earth in Aries person and vice versa, and Sun Libra person could learn Libra stuff from Earth in Libra person and vice versa

The following is from Philip Sedgwick. It is from his Heliocentric Astrology book, The Sun at the Center

Sure You Know Your Sun Sign...
But do you know your Earth Sign?

The following content comes from the innovative and leading edge treatise, The Sun at the Center, by Philip Sedgwick, available by download from the site's store. This is virtually the only interpretive book on Earth concerning heliocentric, or Sun-centered astrology.

Simply, the Earth sign stands opposite the Sun in longitude - exact to the degree, minute and second, whether seen geocentrically or heliocentrically. How can this critical polarity be ignored, especially given the fact we stand upon Earth? Take your own firm stand on terra firma! Read onward in the journey to rediscover the lost Earth.

Aries Earth (Libra Sun)

Lesson - The lesson involved in the Arien Earthling exists in the process of self-actualization. The individual must come to a full sense of self to allow functional relationships with others. These beings are highly interactive and not necessarily with other beings. Interaction at this Earth level may manifest through a direct confrontation or exchange with a person and it may also result with a thing or a principle. The interaction is secondary to the level of validation which they seek. A sense of self-worth independent of others must result for assertiveness to be complete. At some point, the individual will realize that with or without people, places and things the self remains intact. Until this process is understood, the soul continues to establish faulty interactions to create alienation, isolation and perceived rejection. This is all done in the interest of self-contained validation.

Legacy - Upon completion of self-realization and a self-contained sense of being free from the need of input from others, relatability becomes a primary dynamic in the individual’s life. Interaction begins to provide a mechanism of on-going support for the individual as the person teaches others to recognize that which is self-disguised within their beings. This discipline can be taught by the Aries Earth with incredible compassion for the crisis of self-identity. The individual retains the ability to interact in a non-involved manner, allowing truth and personal integrity to prevail above all else.

Taurus Earth (Scorpio Sun)

Lesson - Many presume that the Earth rules Taurus. Perhaps one would then assume that the Earth in home territory would maintain a certain comfort or reliability in this Sign/Planet relationship. Perhaps that is true and only at the legacy level. These souls drop themselves into a body and begin an immediate struggle to learn absolute (Divine) worth without extorting, exploiting or destroying the value of the high worth item. The physical preoccupies the primal Taurus Earth mind, blinding all objectivity of what truly is important. Priority systems must be established, the truth told and motivations revealed. This all tends to combine the positive aspects of the lessons to lead to the luxury of the legacy. However, it is critical that the learning process for this Earthly student include doing his or her own home work with no ruses.

Legacy - Once optimized, these Earthlings quickly recognize the worth and value of a person, place or thing. They are challenged by intrinsic worth and seek to polish raw materials to a brilliant luster. These individuals can become great motivators. This is often achieved through agitation and playing a negative role to produce a positive effect. Negativity is only used as a transformative.

Gemini Earth (Sagittarius Sun)

Lesson - This sign axis must learn to deal with an intellectually intense duality that teaches that the more consideration and objectivity, the greater the focus. These people perceive this postulate to be in direct contradiction to the basic programming of the mind. The blinders must be removed and a willingness to view polar opposition must result. A mental overload exists until the individual recognizes that missed objectives result from the inability to adjust or correct a course once in motion. Long range effects appear in little steps. As a Chinese proverb states, “a journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.” Such is the case for the Gemini Earth. Steps along the way allow for reconsideration, revision and resolutions to be refined without interruption to the natural direction.

Legacy - Once in a mode of receptivity and diversification, the Gemini Earth individual becomes one of the most directed and consistent contemplators on the planet. The lesson taught by these people is that there is no absolute way to get there. Many paths exist between here and there. Correction is taught as a positive attribute and not as an indicator of something thought or done incorrectly.

Cancer Earth (Capricorn Sun)

Lesson - Mother Earth herself reaches the closest point of approach (perihelion) to the Sun in Cancer. The Cancer Earth contains the need to respond to the most direct sunlight and illumination of all the Earth placements. Direct and undisputed contact with the nurturing action is maintained and requires useful, non-interfering incorporation. Domination tendencies must convert into a support mechanism. Those with this Earth must learn about responsibilities and that each person owns a different sense of responsibility. This realization precludes being disappointed in one’s offspring (anyone to whom the Cancer Earth becomes attached) and releases guilt, expectation and irritation. The pursuit of Earth dictates the need to frolic in the Sun. The ability to enjoy and align with nature establishes contact with the base of Earth. This eliminates an inability to appreciate beauty as it exists. This individual must reject cynicism in the soul to enable the heart to open.

Legacy - Cancer Earth people are among the most sensitive and caring upon the planet. They demonstrate this clearly when actualized in being through support and love given freely and without consideration of reaction or rejection. Love is given without expectation and the individual teaches how to love safely and responsibly without interrupting the flow of another person’s development.

Leo Earth (Aquarius Sun)

Lesson - The development of the personality in an ego sense is the first portion of this soul’s lesson. The ego must then evolve into a unique sense of self-contained individuality which functions with out the need to compare the self to others. Confidence is the quality which stimulates the beginning of the work leading directly into the legacy. The lesson, though, is a tough one and contains intense periods of variation in self-esteem. Once the belief in and knowledge of one’s own internal strength sets in, these people begin an active campaign leading others into awareness of themselves.

Legacy - The Leonine Earthlings strive to lead others in their realm to realize the need for a self-contained sense of individuality. They teach others how to own one’s being and allow creative self- expression to flourish. The Leo Earth people discourage others from cloning or engaging in emulation techniques that establish superficial attachments to the projected qualities of another individual. These people stress uniqueness and strive to promote the confidence of everyone they encounter. This inspirational ability of the Leo Earth may manifest in both direct and indirect means of interaction with others. Personal contact is not necessary for the process to occur.

Virgo Earth (Pisces Sun)

Lesson - Virgo Earthlings appear on the planet to develop an aware ness of the principles of integration on a minute level. Overall knowledge of the system seems to exist in these beings. A need for understanding the detailed simplicity of life’s process must follow. Discipline becomes a key factor in the schooling of the Virgoan Earth as resistance to commitment and structure is taken for granted. This discipline, once implemented, allows these individuals to set into motion the plans, creative concepts and intuitive insights which flash through the mind. Discipline strives to eliminate the inability often experienced in prioritizing life’s endeavors. The organized for mats of discipline yield the ability to select an appropriate creative pursuit to manifest.

Legacy - The legacy of the Virgo Earth resides within the ability to adjust to a flowing system of discipline. These individuals are then capable of presenting to others the synthesis of the subtle and the gross, the sacred and the profane and the parts and the wholes.

Libra Earth (Aries Sun)

Lesson - At one level it appears that these people exist solely for the purpose of establishing identity of the self at the soul’s core. The lesson adds a deeper aspect to the identity quest. It becomes imperative for these individuals to learn the active dynamic of interfacing with others on the planet. Self-assertion must be conducted in such a way as not to interfere with the will and identities of others.

Legacy - Once polarized, these individuals leave behind the lesson of interaction without compromise. The cultivation of the sense of self is a demonstrated blending with an ability to be and to let others be. Interference and imposition diminishes creating a clear approach in human relationship.

Scorpio Earth (Taurus Sun)

Lesson - The drive to transform need presents the biggest challenge of this Earth/Sun polarity. Attachment and possession must be over come. Learning how to have and hold, and how the have/hold principle differs from owning/possessing, creates the crisis of reorientation. Scorpio Earth souls must learn to experience their feelings, especially feelings of material resentment, jealousy and emotional bondage. An innate understanding of the natural value of human resources must learned. This resource of human potential must be understood from the standpoint of using people, not abusing people. Should this lesson about human resource not be learned, the Taurean tendencies only subvert deeper. The subverted tendencies appear through the use of others in a negative manner, creating a master/slave relationship.

Legacy - Once cultivated, these seekers become the masters of manipulating others into positive, creative spaces of existence. An understanding of when to intervene and when to not intervene becomes inherent in one’s nature. These individuals may become compulsive, not being able to see waste of a mind or creative potential. They constantly push, shove and work to apply every available resource. A unique ability to invest in the resources of others also evolves. True levels of abundance and prosperity consciousness can and must be taught.

Sagittarius Earth (Gemini Sun)

Lesson - These Earthlings must learn that focus does not rule out necessary pursuits. They sense that there is a lack of freedom of choice when, in fact, a simple level of mental discrimination strives to present choices. Short range planning must be relinquished to the long range projection. Distraction must yield to well disciplined, conscious direction. Simplification must be produced to gain distance, direction and result. Yet, the need to remain responsive to the subtleness of Divine Signaling is necessary so that single mindedness and dogma does not result.

Legacy - The Sagittarius Earth spirit strives to leave behind a sense of direction stemming from their abilities to focus. A directed philosophy results from knowing which needs to pursue and which not. Vicarious learning must be encouraged to prevent redundancy of the human consciousness effort. The value of thoughts and knowing is taught to others.

Capricorn Earth (Cancer Sun)

Lesson - The Capricorn Earth strives to generate an autonomous sense of self which can only be derived from a strong sense of support and foundation. This support initially extends from external sources and the individual resists receiving support (based upon a point of view that he or she renders support only). This unilateral perception must be terminated for the person to evolve to the fullest. Under standing the bidirectional nature of support assists these people in growth. The awareness of assumable responsibility, to take and not to take, must be assimilated.

Legacy - With the Cancer side understood and synthesized, the Capricorn Earth provides others with a quiet, parental type of support which encourages assuming total responsibility for the self; no more and no less. Sharing of support encourages cooperative interactions on all levels of the creative/receptive axis.

Aquarius Earth (Leo Sun)

Lesson - Within the natural Leo association to the Sun this axis assumes a stronger natural emphasis. The goal of the actualized ego bears the fulfillment of humanity, a lesson easier stated than learned. Overcoming the guru syndrome requires great attention and per severance to cause. One must be conscious not to accept unwarranted praise and at the same time remain accepting of praise which is valid. Avoidance of idle flattery and yes-type followers must be included in the growth. Total identity as a unique and persistent individual cultivates some necessary isolationism for the growth process. Courage and commitment of the self requires more effort here than in any other case. One must obtain a strong sense of self that is referenced only to the self. This self referencing frees the ego from superiority/inferiority dynamics.

Legacy - Once actualized, these individuals strive to teach everyone to be who they happen to be and to become that which they strive to be. Courage and commitment are taught hand in hand with respect for the being that one happens to be. The creative process is accentuated, allowing them to exercise a purposeful lead in humanity. A choice must also be taught. That choice is the ability to help humanity from a non-involved point of view or from direct and inclusive involvement. A good example is a hermit who would pray over the dominion of humanity versus the leader who works with a group in the interest of evolution. The difficult choice is individual and must not be transferred to any other entity or oracle.

Pisces Earth (Virgo Sun)

Lesson - To flow in the dimension of experience creates the major lessons of evolvement for these Earthlings. When the Pisces Earth encounters a dynamic of growth, the tendency is to compartmentalize the awareness in an intellectual or academic manner. This is fine as far as the process is understood. The only drawback to this system comes from the integration of the experience. To understand experientially creates a conflict for this sign. Once an experience is assimilated, the tendency becomes to translate the experience in a logical or mnemonic manner. On many levels of experience this is impossible, as no words can formulate a concise enough picture to represent the occurrence. Thus, the individual falls in the position of knowing and not being able to explain. The creative process builds up momentum from such a response, allowing the individual to be manipulated by perplexity into realizing an unrecognized aspect of internal ingenuity. Cognitive dissonance becomes the well known “A-ha!” of under standing.

Legacy - The Pisces Earth person knows how to translate inexplicable experiences into a system of reference, provided that when another person flows into the same stream of consciousness the event will be understood for what it is. A Taoist teaching method arises, allowing great levels of individual creativity to be tapped without compromising the process of logic, yet not allowing the mental to interfere with the flow of creativity. An extremely delicate balance of co-existence emerges guiding the person experientially and logically through all events in life. This balance utilizes every aspect of involvement in life to ascertain more of the process of growth and evolution.

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Below are the integration considerations of the Earth and Moon appearing in the same place from the Sun's point of view. Regardless of one's geocentric lunar placement, seen from the Sun, a conjunction between Earth and Moon results.

Aries Earth/Moon - The nurturing sought by these people asks, somewhat apologetically, for acceptance of the self as is. Acceptance of the self when it is the new, improved version is not sufficient. These people require unconditional love and support for the identity they have right now. Once accepted, these individuals become the best givers in the heliocentric zodiac.

Taurus Earth/Moon - This combination needs support for self- worth. The individuals must be supported for what they are, not what they have, or what they can create with their own intrinsic resources. The value of personal attributes is paramount as is the need for support of the individual’s ability to manifest positive activity and make life happen with ease.

Gemini Earth/Moon - These beings seek support for the attribute of listening. Their purpose of the lifetime requires objective consideration of external input (without that input seemingly invalidating the individual). Support for changing the mind, shifting direction, and changing horses mid-stream is needed.

Cancer Earth/Moon - This is perhaps the most intense of the Earth/ Moon systems. These individuals need support to have the space to cry, laugh, feel and not worry. Rest comes through emotional support and the relinquishment of the need to maintain control. Although resistance is natural when confronted with support, acceptance of support bears great rewards in all aspects of life, most especially the professional realm.

Leo Earth/Moon - To be an altruist and to dedicate one’s life to humanity, much internal strength is prerequisite. Thus, these people require ego support, confidence building and listening to, especially for their most radical and unusual ideas. They need to shine and be emotionally polished by their support group to the brilliant personality luster which results when purpose is pursued.

Virgo Earth/Moon - Support for order without criticism is required by these individuals. It is a tricky balance to integrate the creative and the logical. Encouragement to see the details, facts and processes required to fulfill the fantasy must be supported for these Earthlings. This provides the understanding required to follow inspiration from concept through to completion.

Libra Earth/Moon - These people require support for relating with others on an equal, cooperative level. To support this effort, relation ships with peers become the starting block. Relating above or below the individual’s self-perceived status only serves to complicate issues of fairness. Equality comes from willing giving. To support these people, compliment all externalized generous efforts they perform and establish a system of cooperative giving by asking and receiving.

Scorpio Earth/Moon - Money is not power, nor does money ensure good sexual relationships. These people require support for intense, emotional involvement without external distractions like food, money and things. Performance must be discouraged. Fullness of being needs encouragement. Telling such individuals that they are worthy even if they have nothing takes a step towards the initially incomprehensible and seeds the needed message.

Sagittarius Earth/Moon - Support for the validity of one’s ideas is required. These individuals must teach, in their own way, but cannot deliver this dharma without a realization that their ideas are valid, original and important. Support for thinking (especially out loud or on paper) provides the baseline for allowing acceptance of the importance of the individual’s intelligence.

Capricorn Earth/Moon - Freedom from the responsibility of others sets the scene for support with these Earthlings. Allowing for the Ultimate acceptance of responsibility solicits support. That responsibility results when one accepts conditions in life completely free from what others caused, needed or obliged the individual to do. Seeking and consciously asking for support is best.

Aquarius Earth/Moon - Originality of the human model requires validation to make this placement reach optimum performance. To inspire this person serves everyone. Ego is a temporary condition in which self-ness emerges. It is not to be feared nor denied; ego is intended to be supported fully and completely. “Be like the Sun at midday,” as the I Ching points out. Shine on, fully and completely.

Pisces Earth/Moon - Support for openness to the unseen, unknown and the non-tangible best encourages these individuals into fullness. An ethereal sense mutes the obsession with logic into a creative balance which allows for talent to emerge. This emergence takes ideas and gives them abstract form which ultimately yields a valid, logical result.

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posted February 09, 2011 11:42 AM            

Ben. Moon, ok. lol xnay on the omance ray.

posted February 09, 2011 01:06 PM            

MM, I have an Aries Asc and a Libra Moon, so I deal with myself all the time, or don't deal, however one wishes to view that!
Anyway, I'm always shocked as to how my actions, or perceived actions betray the way I really feel.
Though, it does get better with age.

Keeping that in mind, remember that fire people have a certain sense of dignity (some may call it, erm, ego ) and we can become put off by a lack of mutual enthusiam, or a feeling of "too much distance," for lack of a better term.

I guess what I am saying is that we may in fact react to the perception that someone doesn't like us, who may very well like us alot, if they don't show it outwardly.
This may be where the trouble comes in.

I think fire signs in general need alot of emoting.
This is why I disagree with conventional astrology, and stick with water people.
They seem able to handle the intensity a little bit better.

This is just me thinking out loud, btw, not trying to discourage you.
Actually, I never have trouble with Libra people at all, in the warmth department.

posted February 09, 2011 01:14 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Mystic Melody:
blugray, I just saw your comment. How long did that relationship last? What made it end, if you don't mind answering...

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It was only like 5 months, because I had to go back to America. I had previously been in another long distance over seas relationship and it was horrible, so we mutually broke it off. It was really sad. He is in the army now! Haha, because Koreans have to serve.

posted February 09, 2011 01:39 PM            

quote:

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Betty Boop, how do I know you are an Aries???? Are you someone I know and love masquerading under a new screen name?

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posted February 09, 2011 03:11 PM            

vellly interesting... I'll have to ponder that insight.

He stood me up for our phone date this morning! lol He works 3rd shift so he asked if he could call me in the morning after I took my daughter to school and I said sure etc. We had this long talk yesterday and I had to leave to go to the dentist and he kept me on the phone as long as he could and said how much he enjoyed talking etc and reminded me about our phone date and said the time again to make sure I remembered. Then this morning I'm thinking about how hard it is to be a Mom and trying to do a mini meditation/prayer quick before he calls since I want to be positive and not too heavy for our first "dates" and he never calls. For some reason it doesn't bother me at all and I was a little relieved but now I'd like to talk to him but I refuse to call HIM so the stupidity has already commenced. xnay on the omance ray. lol

letram,
"so when the suns are in opposite, they have the exact same goal in mind, they both want to journey to the same place (like all oppositions between identicle planets, e.g. our venus;s) but HOW they do, get there, or reach understanding is coming from a Different angle/background.. "

I think I would enjoy a little Aries fire lit under my rear actually. Even if only for a short time. Now he isn't into astrology or even spirituality and frankly

THIS MESSAGE INTERRUPTED FOR PHONE CALL FROM ARIES MAN THAT LASTED FOR HOURS

so, as I was saying when I was so rudely interrupted earlier lol

frankly, I don't see him as the partner I would imagine myself with for the rest of my life.

YET,
I really like him and we are meeting for coffee tomorrow. He asks me questions and really listens to the answers and he shares information on his own thoughts, which are good thoughts for someone who isn't spiritual. His sister "was into the New Age books" so I have some back up cred from Sis.

posted February 09, 2011 03:32 PM            

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sun opposite sun, excusing wahtever signs it may be,

is all about who is leading who, the suns are about wisdom and leadership.

they are also about attention and fixed traits about the self.

so when the suns are in opposite, they have the exact same goal in mind, they both want to journey to the same place (like all oppositions between identicle planets, e.g. our venus;s) but HOW they do, get there, or reach understanding is coming from a Different angle/background..

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letram, you hit the nail on the head with what I was trying to ask here specifically. Now I have to try to apply that to my specific situation. I think your answer will be helpful to anyone else who wants to do the same when considering an opposition as well! Thanks a lot!

You analogy is fabulous, btw. I already see this dynamic in effect

"both people think they wisely know the best route and why, but they don't agree with eachothers idea being best, though they both very much like eachothers idea and understand it."

and it seems we do keep conceding to the other as having a better way etc in the blush of a new beginning. It's really nice and fulfilling for both of us as we go back and forth. It's so satisfying to know we have said how we think things should be done and then to have the other agree that we don't always do it that way but that the other has the best way in theory etc... we get to check out where each of us are in life and what challenges would be ahead if we hypothetically got together etc. This insight from all of you is EXCELLENT to have when taking the time to get to know someone before jumping into things!!!!!!!!!

posted February 09, 2011 04:00 PM            

I highly suspect the woman in my night class is a March Piscean, she was the first person to spot me, cause I like to fly under the radar sometimes..NOT WITH A PISCES I don't lol.

The sign I have a problem meeting is the sign on my 7th house, Cancer. They just don't exist in my neck of the woods.

posted February 09, 2011 04:09 PM            

blugray,
that is the sweetest story <3 it reminds me again that my high school sweetheart and first everything was an Aries. He ended up working a summer job with lots of girls and told me he wanted to date other people after 3 years(after telling me that we would be married so he could be my first everything ) and I was destroyed until word got out and the men began to swarm. Then Aries was back and crying he made a mistake and Leo was romancing me like my athletic man's man Aries never could and to make a really long story shorter...
my mother has a picture of me before a class dance with one of them on either side of me.
I told them both I was going alone and they both showed up. My mother thought it was funny so she made us stand in the usual home photo place in front of the fireplace and she captured it for posterity. lol

Sorry for telling you all of this... but the memories are flowing now. lol

posted February 09, 2011 04:20 PM            

I know, right?!?!

I need to add that he "texted" me this morning at 8am. Only problem is that I don't have a cell phone. I have a land line. He was sad when I didn't return his sweet good morning text. hehe

Maka, Karma sign... that sounds interesting. I haven't heard anything about that until now. Karma asteroid, yes, but not Karma sign. I'd be interested in knowing more about that! You are the member formerly known as Cheshire Kat? I didn't know you but I think I remember the name!

posted February 09, 2011 04:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Mystic Melody:
Moons of Jupiter,
"Weren't oppositions our 'ideal' partner in Astrology 101?"

I know, right?!?!

I need to add that he "texted" me this morning at 8am. Only problem is that I don't have a cell phone. I have a land line. He was sad when I didn't return his sweet good morning text. hehe

Maka, Karma sign... that sounds interesting. I haven't heard anything about that until now. Karma asteroid, yes, but not Karma sign. I'd be interested in knowing more about that! You are the member formerly known as Cheshire Kat? I didn't know you but I think I remember the name!

And when I finished my thought earlier about him not being what I imagined... I don't mean it in a "I would never fall for him" type of way because he already gives me feelings of relaxation and anticipation and joy just talking with him. I look forward to more conversation and can't wait to get to know him more!

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posted February 09, 2011 04:40 PM            

A quincunx relationship exists between one’s Sun sign and the signs which are 6 and 8 positions away from it on the zodiac wheel (counting one’s own sign as the first). More specifically, Suns are quincunx when they are approximately 150 degrees apart. Therefore, a quincunx connection exists between the following pairs of signs: Aries/Scorpio, Aries/Virgo, Taurus//Libra, Taurus/Sagittarius, Gemini/Scorpio, Gemini/Capricorn, Cancer/Aquarius, Cancer/Sagittarius, Leo/Capricorn, Leo/Pisces, Virgo/Aquarius and Libra/Pisces.

Quincunx relationships are said to be highly karmic. This is due to the 6-8 sun sign pattern between them. The 8th sign, Scorpio, rules fate and karma. The 6th sign, Virgo, is the sign of service. Consequently, it is said that a person whose sign is 6 positions away from yours is destined to be of service to you in some way. The 8th sign also rules sex. Therefore, there is a powerful sexual attraction between signs which form a quincunx aspect. For example, in the case of the Leo/Capricorn relationship, the Capricorn will be powerfully drawn to the Leo due to an instinctive need to be of service to them, while the Leo will be irresistibly drawn to the Capricorn due to a mysterious sexual allure. Nevertheless, in practice, the desire to be of service and the sexual attraction are normally mutual.

The quincunx is generally a powerful, yet stressful aspect. Consequently, there is normally tension between individuals whose Suns form this link. The differences between them can be quite significant. However, two sign pairings are an exception to this rule. These are Aries/Scorpio and Taurus/Libra. These sign pairings have a special bond due to a common planetary ruler. Both Aries and Scorpio are ruled by Mars, while Taurus and Libra are ruled by Venus. When signs share a planetary ruler, they also share many traits and values, and this promotes compatibility between them.

posted February 09, 2011 05:10 PM            

Strange I would happen on this now!

I am in a new relationship with a Virgo man...been after him (subtly) for a while, finally he gave.

Our Suns are 9 deg apart, but he has a wonderful Mars in Scorpio that conj my asc within 2 deg, and also sets off my 3 heavy Tsquares.

So far, we are head over heals, and I absolutely adore his energy, keeps my watery/airy energy in place, from spilling all over the place and I think my water allows him to emote.

Now, my mother, my mother in law and my sis in law are all Virgos, but all 3 of them can annoy me very easy. But this man, not at all!

I think opposites have alot to learn from eachother and each opposite interaction is different as coloured by the other planetary aspects.

Nice thread!

posted February 09, 2011 07:15 PM            

He wrote the following in his book, ASTROLOGY A LANGUAGE OF LIFE Volume IV - Relationship Analysis

Tropical = Present Incarnation
Heliocentric = Christ Consciousness or Higher Self

The Heliocentric Zodiac is also infrequently used by astrologers in relationship analysis. This Sun-centered model measures the orbits of the celestial bodies from the Heart of our solar system and generates a horoscope that symbolizes one's Christ Consciousnes, or Higher Self. Can the astrologer compare the Heliocentric chart of one individual against another's Tropical horoscope. Or does this chart, without a Sun position, operate at a level of reality where there are no individual egos, but only Higher Selves serving a larger purpose?

I recommend viewing the Heliocentric nativity as representing all that is virtuous within the individual, as if he were operating from pure Spirit. These horoscopes are calculated using Natural Houses, where 00'00 Aries is rising, and as such, house positions of the planets are transcendental in nature, as they are not bound by an earthly Ascendant or Midheaven. The position of the Earth in these charts is 180 degrees opposite the position of the Sun in a Tropical nativity, as if a reflection of Spirit.

As if there are no retrograde planets in a Heliocentric chart, its life force only goes forward into the future. Since there is no Moon in these charts, no memories from the past can affect the present. Because of their relative distance from the Sun, the superior planets of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune or Pluto are just a few degrees from their counterparts in a Tropical nativity. However, the personal planets of Mercury, Venus, and Mars can be found in different signs than in the Tropical chart; and in the case of the inferior planets, Mercury and Venus, these two can be opposite their Tropical positions, if geocentrically retrograde at bith.

It is a spiritual truth that to find God, one must know Love. It is also true that love exists deep within the human heart. If the Sun in astrology symbolizes this heart center, it therefore follows that an astrological nativity calculated from this Spiritual Source of the solar system would symbolize one's capacity for love.

I have seen more exact-to-the degree conjunctions between Heliocentric planets and Tropical Davison or composite charts than between Heliocentric and Tropical nativities. It appears that this synastry shows how the Higher Self connects with one's relationship, rather than how it connects one to another personality. I do not fully understand this phenomenon, but I will share my theory.

When one truly loves another soul, it sometimes feels as if Spirit is expressing love through you directly into your beloved's heart. There is an electrical sensation in one's chest when these sublime moments occur. One temporarily forgets is lower self and it is as if one floats inside the currents of a Love that does not originate with oneself. Perhaps it is so that watery souls are more aware of this merging of one's being with another, yet this kind of love is universal and is felt by all souls.

It is my belief that Heliocentric planets that are exactly conjunct the Davison or composite chart symbolize how spiritual love can flow through the Higher Self of one individual into the physical vessel of a relationship. If the Heliocentric Jupiter of a wife, for example, is in the same degree as the Davison chart Moon for her and her husband, Spirit is flowing through her higher mind, happiness and hopefulness into the home and family which shares with her mate. If the Heliocentric Mars of a husband, for example, is in the same degree as the composite Jupiter for him and his wife, Spirit is flowing through his passion, drive and leadership into the hope, jubilation and happiness which he shares with his life partner.

It is, of course, discretionary for astrologers to even consider using Heliocentric charts when preparing for a synastry analysis. However, clients with spiritual or esoteric orientations will sometimes ask the astrologer how they can more readily access their Higher Self. If asked, the astrologer can then calculate the Heliocentric chart for his client, and compare it with the Tropical composite or Davison charts for the client's marriage. If there are conjunctions, the astrologer can explain how these planets show Spirit-flowing through one's Higher Self into the marriage.

Now keeping in mind what Robert Blaschke wrote,

Sun oppose Sun is the same as Suns conjunct each other's Earths
Therefore, not only do their spiritual love natures flow through each other's higher selves
but they reflect each other's spirits

This can be how opposite sunsigns work
but especially if their Suns are in opposition within 1 degree
then their spiritual love natures STRONGLY flow through each other's higher selves and they STRONGLY reflect
each other's spirits

If they have Sun/Earth alignments with the nodes of objects, they could share a STRONG affinity with each other and be a lot more alike

example

me born on October 29, 1971
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio
Earth in 5'20 Taurus conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio

fictional partner born April 26, 1971
Sun in 5'20 Taurus conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'28 Taurus/Scorpio
Earth in 5'20 Scorpio oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'28 Taurus/Scorpio

Therefore, my fictional partner and I have our spiritual love natures strongly flow in each other's higher selves and strongly reflect each other's spirits but we share a strong personal connection to collective (Heliocentric Node) diversity,equality,discord matters (Eris)

Robert Blaschke did use the Heliocentric Planetary Nodes in Geocentric/Tropical Chart like Grant Lewi, Carl Payne Tobey, and Dane Rudhyar did.

The Suns in opposite signs aren't necessarily a bad thing. If you consider the Heliocentric perspective, you can see how they not only complement each other but reflect each other.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 09, 2011 08:25 PM            

I believe that Aries and Scorpio can be compatible signs because they both share Mars as traditional ruler.

I had developed close friendships with 2 people born on March 30th, and so they have Sun in Aries.

My ex girlriend, Meghann

My best friend, shaman Steve

With my exgirlfriend, Meghann, the Suns were triseptile each other with 23 minutes of arc.
The triseptile is a 7th harmonic aspect, and it is 154 degree, 17 minutes.
According to Robert Blasche, The family of 7th harmonic aspects are often seen in synastry between fated lovers.
7th harmonic aspects are thought to be have an influence of a combination of Uranus and Neptune. They are supposed to be
otherworldly,mystical aspects.

With my friend, Steve, we share strong Eris energy in common

In Steve's chart:
Sun in 9'47 Aries
conjunct Eris in 9'21 Aries

in my chart:
Sun in 5'20 Scorpio
conjunct Geocentric South Eris Node in 5'29 Scorpio
oppose Geocentric North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus
oppose/conjunct Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 5'30 Taurus/Scorpio

Our Suns are also in triseptile with 9 minutes of arc.

March 30th and October 29th (my birthday) are both Sun in Isis in the ancient Egyptian Zodiac

The ancient Egyptian zodiac was not a monthly zodiac sign type of zodiac. It was a decanate based zodiac.

I also want to point out that Suns that are quincunx each other by sign could be in a biquintile (144 degrees) if they are within 1 degree orb from that 144 degree angle.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 09, 2011 11:19 PM            

Hippi T How are you?? Are you on FB? I miss chatting with you. So, a Virgo, huh? I luuuuv Virgos. What are you feeling with the squares then? I'm interested in how those are going to play out on my end too. Good job snagging him. lol It's nice to know that you can pine for him, snag him, and then be in love. Living the dream, gf. <3

Glaucus, my goodness, did you just give me MORE to read? Have mercy, Professor.

posted February 09, 2011 11:32 PM            

Astronomer/Astrologer Johannes Kepler devised them.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.

posted February 09, 2011 11:44 PM            

All I was doing was just giving an alternative viewpoint of looking at the Sun oppose Sun from a different angle,the Heliocentric perspective and making the point that ultimately that Sun-Sun oppositions have more in common due to the Sun-Earth polarity: Sun in Geocentric system and Earth in Heliocentric system are always in exact opposition.

I posted Philip Sedgwick's stuff and Robert Blaschke's stuff to clarify what I said and support my point.

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A different mind is NOT a deficient mind.