posted February 10, 2011 09:41 AM            

ME
Sun Aries
Moon Aries
Mercury Aries
Venus Pisces
Mars Pisces

HIM
Sun Libra
Moon Aries
Mercury Scorpio
Venus Virgo
Mars Scorpio

In a nutshell:
1. Sex is the BEST.
2. Bad communication (me too spontaneous, him too organized).
3. Lots of attraction (opposed suns, opposed venuses).
4. I get him, he doesn't get me.

I dare say I have to do all the adapting. :|

posted February 10, 2011 07:05 PM            

And I know I want to just take him home and keep him as mine. But I settle for friendships because I know it just won't work.

posted February 10, 2011 07:10 PM            

yes I have a FB

and I have not experienced any energy of his Mars Scoprio contacting my 3 difficult t-squares.

for now, it is all about the sun vs sun, pretty much and the chemical attraction of the Scorpio Mars conj my asc.

how do I contact you on FB?

posted February 11, 2011 12:19 AM            

Ben Moon, oh, don't worry at all, I loved your response! I was trying to ask in general but of course the Aries is on my mind!

Coffee went great btw. Very um... comfortable and intense at the same time. He has Capricorn moon like me and from the birth time his Mom is guessing, a Gemini AC which is VERY nice....

which brings me to Charlotte... yes, I know you said other excellent things but all I heard is "The sex is the BEST!!!" lol sorry, but he is very attractive (his intelligence AND his presence in general) and his moon is most comfy. Hold me back, Ladies!

ahh letram, to appreciate in retrospect. lol. I have to keep that in mind... -meaning I keep telling myself that it will be nice to learn from him and share with him for a while even if it is too challenging to last... but you know, I chose these learning experiences for myself so I better get to getting them right!!!

Hera, Gemini's are just YUMMY! That's all there is to THAT.

First name Mystic, last name Melody, Hippie T. I only have a handful of LL friends who I really know so you might not find me on other friend's lists. Add me soooooooon!

posted February 11, 2011 03:54 PM            

Understanding that, I'd love to hook up with a gal whose Sun is in close opposition to my Sun, especially with her having the strong connection to the Eris Nodes in common with me. Together,she and I could be a force to reckon with Sun square Eris Nodes in composite chart.

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posted February 11, 2011 04:24 PM            

I am not good at that

Therefore, I will post what some influential astrologers wrote about the planetary nodes.

Dane Rudhyar

Planetary Nodes

The nodes of a planet are two opposite points where the plane of the orbit of the planet intersects the ecliptic. As the ecliptic is not only the apparent path described by the Sun on the celes­tial sphere (i.e., among the constellations), but "a plane through the center of the Sun through which the average orbit of the Earth lies," it follows that the planetary nodes represent the points where the line of intersection of the plane of a planet's orbit and the plane of the Earth's orbit meet the celestial sphere (i.e., the "dome of the skies"). The Sun is naturally at the midpoint of this line of intersection.

What is involved, therefore, in the idea of nodes is a type of relationship existing between the planes of the planetary orbits and the plane of the Earth's orbit. The sizes of the various angles of inclinations of the planets' orbits to the ecliptic might be taken as representations of these orbital relationships; but this would give us only numerical values as symbols - which could fit into a system of astro-numerical symbolism, but not into astrology; for all measurements of astrological relationship must always be referred to the factor of zodiacal position. The line of planetary nodes ends in two points on the celestial sphere which have zodiacal longitude; thus these points are taken as symbols of the relationship between the orbits of planet and Earth.

The reason why the orbits of planets are considered important is that, with the orbit, we are dealing with values of motion. The plane of an orbit is the plane of periodical motion. And, as we saw already, all true astrological factors can be abstracted into factors of motion. Astrology is an algebra using cyclic motions as its symbols. (Cf. the chapter: "The Key to Astrological Symbolism") Thus the planes of orbital motions can indeed be considered as significant, the significance being revealed to us by the zodiacal position of their line of intersection.

The orbit of a planet represents the total cycle of dynamic activity of this planet in relation to the Sun. The Sun stands there as the integrator of the whole system, that which holds it together and represents its ultimate total significance. The planet, of itself, symbolizes a particular and to some extent independent mode of life-activity. But its orbit is a representation of this characteristic activity, not as a thing in itself, but rather in relation to the Sun. The orbit signifies therefore the integrative aspect of the planetary activity, viz., this activity as it operates definitely within the organic whole and for the fulfillment of the central aim of integration of personality.

What the relationship of the planet's orbit to the Earth's orbit will indicate is the part which the life-activity represented by the planet occupies, at any time, in the scheme of development of Earth-born mankind.

A closer analysis of the nodes' meaning will attribute opposite and complementary significances to the two terminals of the lines of nodes, the North Node and the South Node. This nodal dualism is logical, for every type of life-activity in relation to the center of integration of the organic system may take on a positive or a negative value. Integration and disintegration go ever hand in hand. Every life-element can operate as a destructive or as a constructive agency, such being the universal law of life.

The North Node is the positive pole of integration; the South Node the negative pole where disintegration of some sort (it may not be "evil," however) takes place. The former is a point of ingestion and assimilation; the latter, a point of release and evacuation. We shall study this polarization of life- activities in greater detail when we shall consider the Moon's nodes. In the meantime these brief remarks will suffice to indicate the general opposition of meanings manifest in the two nodes.

To the foregoing we must add that as planets, in their monthly or daily course, reach the degrees of the zodiac on which their nodes are located, a definite stressing of their positive or negative characteristics is apparent. When planets pass their North Node they operate positively, actively; while at their South Node point they are receptive and passive - that is, the quality or function they signify operates in a passive (yet strong) manner. In an individual chart, a planet situated over its North Node is very domi­nant psychologically; It’s effect is stirring up the consciousness, in the sense that all the integrating life-energy received by the native has a tendency to relate itself to the particular quality expressed by the planet. On the other hand, a planet situated over its South Node may refer to a definite type of psychological escape. The native may tend to evade the issue represented by the planet, or else to be passive and "let things happen" in the sphere of activity which the planet denotes.
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posted February 11, 2011 04:29 PM            

ORBITAL ASTROLOGY AND THE NODES

Dane Rudhyar

A good deal of the ambiguity found in astrological concepts and practices is due to the fact that the astrologer today is thinking in both heliocentric and geocentric terms. He knows that our Earth is only one among several planets which revolve around the Sun, yet he also logically considers the whole solar system and the stars beyond as the environment of the Earth on the surface of which man lives, feels and thinks; thus in studying his relationship to this environment he has obviously to take a geocentric - and in natal astrology, a "person-centered" - point of view. He studies his own cosmic environment, as he relates to it directly.

Nevertheless man cannot ignore the fact that the solar system is a cosmic whole, that is, a more or less autonomous field of energies streaming from the central Sun. This field is only one among billions of other stellar fields which are parts of the vast galaxy, our Milky Way; and therefore the solar system as a whole obviously is affected by "galactic forces" and by the result of the interactions of a myriad of stars and solar systems. However, we know very little indeed that is specific concerning the galaxy and its stars, and at least at his present stage of evolution, the active and relevant part of man's cosmic environment is the solar system. Man looks at this solar system from his earthly point of view, yet he now knows that it is a specific field of energies; and in order to try to understand the basic character of these energies and their essential meaning, he has to think of the system-as-a-whole - this means heliocentrically, for any organized system of interrelated parts can only be understood in relation to its center or radiating core.

The structure of the solar system results from the interrelationships between not merely the places occupied by planets at any time, but more basically from the interrelationships between the orbit of the planets. Seen from the Sun, all planets describe elliptical orbits. These orbits are well spaced around the Sun. They constitute a series of more or less concentric rings, no planet ever moving as close to the Sun as the one preceding it in the series, except Pluto which about every 240 years comes closer to the Sun than Neptune, because of its exceptionally elongated orbit. However, the planes of these orbits do not coincide. All planets do not revolve around the Sun in the same plane. All these orbital planes intersect. The line formed by these intersections is called the line of the nodes, or nodal axis.

From the heliocentric astrological point of view each planet should be given a meaning in terms of its distance from the Sun. Indeed if we try to get at the fundamental meanings of the planets we can readily see that these meanings refer to their serial rank in the solar system. The series of planets represent a series of phases in a definite process which deals with the progressive differentiation of the solar force. Mercury represents bipolar electric energy; Venus adds to this electric force magnetism and refers thus to electro­magnetic fields. The Earth gives substantiality and biological properties to these fields. Mars refers to the release of energy from all organic systems, etc. (For such a study of the solar system, I must refer the reader to my book THE PRACTICE OF ASTROLOGY, Penguin Books, page 56, etc.)

In other words, each planet represents, as it were, a cosmic "quality"; but obviously it is this quality as we, human beings on this Earth, are able to see it and understand its nature; for it may indeed be that there are in the solar system planets composed of a type of substance-energy which we cannot perceive and which even our radio telescopes cannot detect. We can only measure and interpret what is within the scope of our senses and intellect. Thus when we study the basic structure of the solar system, i.e., the orbits of the planets, it is logical to refer the orbital planes to our basic life-plane, which is our own orbit around the Sun, thus, in astronomical terms, the ecliptic. Astrologically speaking, this is the tropical zodiac, or zodiac of signs (NOT of constellations) which begins at the spring equinox, or point of celestial longitude 0°.

Celestial longitude, from 0° to 360°, is measured along the ecliptic, which astrologers divide into twelve signs, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, etc., each sign occupying 30 degrees of longitude. But there is also a factor called celestial latitude; and it is this factor which is basic when one deals with the relationships between the orbital planes of the planet and our own orbital plane, the ecliptic. Each planet's orbital plane and the ecliptic intersect: and the lines of nodes represent this intersection. There is a north node and a south node. A planet is at its north node when it is at latitude 00 and moving north of the ecliptic; at its south node when it crosses the ecliptic in latitude and going southward. There are two moments in the cycle in celestial latitude of a planet when it reaches its extreme positions north or south. For most planets these extremes of latitude are very close to the ecliptic, thus not more than 8 degrees; but Pluto can reach latitudes of nearly 18 degrees.

The orbits of the planets are not absolutely stable; their structural characteristics vary, but extremely slowly. Astronomers speak here of "secular variations." Changes in the obliquity and eccentricity of the planets' orbits are measured by tens of thousands of years. The longitude of the planetary nodes likewise varies, but less slowly.

It should be clear, however, that these are heliocentric positions. They refer to the inter­section of the orbital planes of a planet and of our Earth. This intersection and the nodes it produces symbolize the fundamental relationship between a planet and the Earth considered as two components in the solar system. The relationship has significance in terms of this solar system as vast cosmic field of dynamic existence. When therefore, we apply it to the chart of an individual human being it should be evident that what this relationship - and therefore the planetary north and south nodes - mean in that chart should be referred to the most basic factors in that individual person, i.e., factors that are inherent in the essential destiny of the individual. They are factors which; reach deeper than the natural bio-psychic functions which planets normally represent in a birth­chart - just because the planet as a moving small disc of light in the sky is something that the personal consciousness can normally perceive while the entire orbit of that planet is a cosmic fact which transcends sense-perception.

Astrology is a language which uses astronomical facts and celestial events as symbols of all­human and personal characteristics and bio­psychic developments. The more unusual or remote such astronomical events or the more cosmic or abstract the relationship between celestial bodies, the deeper or more transcendent the characteristics which they represent in the personality and the life-experiences of human beings. For instance, the Sun and the Moon's apparent revolutions through our sky are always with us, regularly perceptible and closely relatable to what is most evident in us, that is, our very existence as a living organism and our capacity to adapt to our immediate surroundings. But eclipses of the Sun or the Moon which are visible at the place where we live are relatively infrequent and quite startling phenomena; thus they refer also to unusual changes in our lives or very special traits of character, if such eclipses not only occurred at the time of our birth but were facts of human experience at this birth locality.

We shall see later on how this applies to the study of the planetary nodes in a person's birth­chart, but one more basic point should be stressed. The nodes constitute an axis; that is to say, the north or south node of planets - and likewise of the Moon - are never to be considered alone. The habit so many astrologers have of marking and considering only the Moon's north node in a chart does not make any sense. Both nodes form an unbreakable pair, just as do Ascendant and Descendant or Zenith and Nadir. Any characterization of the Ascendant which does not include an indissolubly related characterization of the Descendant is incomplete; yet this is what is most of the time done in actual practice and even in textbooks.

One should no more think of an Ascendant without a Descendant than of an electrical current without a positive and a negative pole. In a somewhat different yet related sense, there is no wind without a region of higher pressure and one of lower pressure. This same fact of polarity has to be considered also when we deal with astrological "Parts." The Part of Fortune relates the Moon and the Sun to the Ascendant; but it has also a polar opposite point which relates the Moon and the Sun to the Descendant - a point which I called in my book THE LUNATION CYCLE, the Point of Illumination. In our individualistic society what refers to the self is emphasized - and of course it is basic; but a person's capacity for relationship (the Descendant) is implied in his attitude toward himself (Ascendant). As a man sees himself, so does he relate to others; and the way he relates to others conditions the development of his experience of self. The same situation exists if we consider the two "ends" of any axis. The two nodes are not separate points each with its individual meaning; they are the two polar aspects of one single process. What should be studied and understood is, first of all, the process.

In the case of planetary nodes, I repeat, what is at stake is the fundamental relationship of a planet and of our Earth as two related members of the solar system. More specifically, in terms of individual birth-charts, it is the manner in which the essential quality of a planet affects the very structure and the roots of our individual­ity as a member of the human species.

In the case of the Moon's nodes one is dealing with a rather different situation, because the Moon actually is not a planet, but instead the Earth's satellite. The axis of the Moon's nodes also represents the intersection between the planes of the Moon's orbit and the plane of the Earth's orbit (the ecliptic); but the Moon's orbit is directly related only to the Earth, and therefore the lunar nodes are "geocentric" factors, while the planetary nodes are "heliocentric" factors. To try to consider these planetary nodes from the geocentric point of view not only involves very complex calculations, but by so doing one loses the true character of the nodes, which is to indicate the basic relationship of the Earth to every other member of the solar system with reference to this system as a Sun-centered cosmic organism. The geocentric positions of the planetary nodes are never exactly opposite to each other; thus they lack the very fundamental characteristic of nodes.

The nodes belong to what I called "orbital astrology"; and this is a type of astrology which deals with the absolutely basic characteristics of the planets as members of the solar system, and with very large cycles dealing with the "secular variations" of the orbits: the orbits rather than the planets as material bodies. Indeed in philosophical traditions concerning the meaning of astrology it was stated that the fundamental reality of what we call a planet is not its material mass, but rather the space which its movements define.

In ancient geocentric astrology, the universe was pictured as a series of concentric spheres each having specific characteristics related to a planet. The moving planet was considered as a lens bringing to an ever changing focus the emanative energies diffuse through the sphere which it "ruled." Today instead of planetary "spheres" we have to think of planetary "orbits." These orbits are ellipses with two foci and the Sun is the common focus of all these orbits. We consider now the entire solar system to be an integrated field of forces. It is a cosmic organism; and the planets' orbits define several functional regions within this organism.

According to such a concept a moving planet represents an agency dynamizing or focusing by its motion the energies of a particular region of the solar field. Thus, Mercury is the space which surrounds the Sun up to the abstract dividing line marked by Mercury's orbit. Venus is the space that extends beyond Mercury's orbit and up to the boundaries indicated by Venus's orbit, etc. The planet's position at every moment of time indicates a point of focused release of energy. Every point of space is filled with potential energy; but this energy becomes actualized in the solar system through the planet's motion. The constantly changing relationship between these planets' motion produces, as it were, a dynamic picture formed by activity-centers. Where the planet is, a "lighted point" appears; and these lighted points form indeed a pattern, a form of light.

We have a similar situation in a T. V. screen which is composed of a multitude of points potentially susceptible of becoming lighted by the electric current. It is the lighted points which in their togetherness produce the picture seen on the screen. This T. V. picture changes at every moment, and so does in a much simpler way, the overall pattern of activity of the solar system. Each planet acting as a focusing channel for the release of a specific type of energies, or a quality of being which is related to the space of its entire orbit.

Of course, this space constantly changes, for the whole solar system is moving at high speed around the core of the galaxy; therefore, the planetary orbits actually extend into spiral-forms, but their relationship to and distance from the Sun does not vary and this is what matters. Each organic system in the universe follows very complex motions because it is a part of a series of greater systems, each of which also presumably revolves around some center; yet the various components of even the smallest system retain a basic structure of interrelationship. It is such basic structures that astrology seeks to understand; and it tries to understand not only how the structure works, but the meaning of this structure and of all that it relates together and organically integrates.

Before I conclude these general but basic observations, it seems important to return to the positions of the planetary nodes already listed in order to consider more attentively the fact that the nodes of all the eight planets are bunched around the summer and winter solstices. Mercury's north node is located today at close to 18° Taurus and that of Neptune at about Leo 11°23' ­ thus all north nodes are found within less than a square (90°), and so, of course, are the south nodes. The midpoint of the north nodes group is the last degree of Gemini, which interestingly enough is the location of the great star Betelgeuze in Orion; and I have often stated my belief that this star has a special relationship to the "Aquarian Age" which will start, according to my calculations, at about the time Betelgeuze will reach longitude 90°, that is, the summer solstice point in the tropical zodiac (cf. my book BIRTH PATTERNS FOR A NEW HUMANITY: A Study of Astrological Cycles Structuring the Present World Crisis - 1968).

It is difficult to be sure what such a bunching of planetary nodes means, but it must be significant because it is not a constant factor. Mercury's nodes move a little faster than Neptune's, and in about four centuries the nodes of Mercury and Mars will be conjunct in mid-Gemini, and also in conjunction with Uranus' nodes. Then the group will extend between the nodes of Uranus and Neptune. In about eight or nine centuries Neptune's north node will reach Libra 0°, the fall equinox point - and therefore its south node will be at the spring equinox point.

But let us consider what the situation is now. The summer solstice is a symbol of consciously individualized and stabilized power; Cancer refers to personal integration within a limited field of operation - a personality, a home. However, we must not forget that, at the summer solstice, while the Sun is entering the section of the Earth's orbit which we call Cancer, the planet Earth itself is at the opposite point, entering the sign Capricorn. These solstitial points of the Earth's orbit are particularly interesting for the reason which we shall now explain.

An ellipse has two foci; whereas a circle has only one center. All planetary orbits have one common focus, where the Sun is located; this is the great symbol of the life-force and of light. But the planetary orbits have also what I have called their "individualizing focus." This is the symbol of the particular function and individual "quality of being," which the whole planetary orbit symbolizes. A planet is closest to its individualizing focus when it is farthest from the Sun, thus at its "aphelion." For the Earth this point is close to the summer solstice point, when the Sun enters the zodiacal sign, Cancer and the Earth is entering the sign Capricorn.

In other words, our planet, in its orbital revolution, is closest to its individual focus when it is in the section of its orbit (the tropical zodiac) in which the south nodes of the planets are now gathered. As we shall presently see, the south node can be likened to the negative pole of an electrical system. It is a point of release, but what is released can be waste-materials, or at least the results of a highly particularized and individualized activity. At its south node the characteristic quality of a planet is almost forcibly thrown upon the Earth, while at its north node there is a much more positive and anabolic cooperation between the planet and the Earth.

The result of the present nodal gathering may therefore be related to the intense process of individualization which has gone on within mankind, and to man's specialization and stressful interest in "multiplicity" rather than in "unity" - in the many planets and their separate function rather than in the one Sun, source of light and undifferentiated power. The polarization should be particularly strong each year near the summer solstice when the Sun passes over the planetary north nodes, and the Earth over the planetary south nodes - at the very time our planet is close to the individualizing focus of its orbit. The presence of Betelgeuze then in conjunction with the Sun may tip the scales in favor of the Sun­force, and mankind may indeed move into an age illumined by a "unitive" type of consciousness.

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posted February 11, 2011 04:34 PM            

Carl Payne Tobey

In opening a discussion of the interpretation of planetary aspects, it is necessary to introduce the planetary nodes. The majority of the astrologers of the early part of the twentieth century have ignored these nodes, although they were very important to the ancients, as is indicated by the terms "Dragon's Head and Dragon's Tail applied to the north or ascending node and the south or descending node of the Moon. Today we call them the lunar nodes.

It is quite easy to understand why they are ignored when we realize that these astrologers were trying to bridge the gap to what was fashionable in the world of so-called science. They were trying to adjust to the environment They were trying to fit their subject into the errors of scientific style. Like so many other things, scientific theories and hypotheses come and go, live for a day and die. At that time, it was popular to think in terms of the ether of Sir Oliver Lodge, in terms of vibrations and waves. So astrologers had to explain their subject in terms of ether, vibrations and waves. It was pointed out that when light reached the place or point of a planetary node, there was nothing there for light to bounce against, and so light went right on. How could a mathematical point have an effect? And so the nodes were forgotten and ignored.

Grant Lewi placed great emphasis on the nodes. Statistics of RCA Communications, Inc., in connection with their research dealing with the correspondence that exists between planetary motion and magnetic disturbances that interfere with shortwave radio reception, placed emphasis on the nodes. Letters from two astrologers unknown to each other asked us the same question. Did we know why people born with the Sun near 13-Gemini or 13-Sagittarius seemed to have so much difficulty in making marriage a success? Of course, this meant success according to orthodox standards which are quite inadequate, but it was interesting to note that each astrologer had unconsciously called the exact position of the nodes of the planet Uranus (Individual Reform Guide and Seventh House principle). Marriage is difficult where this principle is concerned because marriage is a Man-made inst;itution that was molded in ignorance of this principle. When he wrote the Ten Commandments General Moses had his intellectual limitations.

Our own statistical investigations gradually led to indications that mere mathematical points (we will supplement this term later), the planetary nodes, are more important than the planets themselves, and this was the beginning of our realization that an entirely new conception of astrology was essential, an astrology unlimited and unhampered by the dogma of modern scientific hypotheses. When you deal with mathematical points, mathematical lines and mathematical planes which can have no material counterpart, you are in the realms of mathematics and abstraction. A mathematical point has no dimensions. A mathematical line has but one dimension. A mathematical plane has but two dimensions. There is no material counterpart until you reach three dimensions, and when you go on to a fourth dimension, you again have no material counterpart. You have again entered the world of abstraction.

You can use a pencil to illustrate a mathematical line, but it is inaccurate, because a pencil line has width and therefore two dimensions. You can use a sheet of paper to illustrate a plane, but it is inaccurate because the paper has thickness and is three dimensional.

We were approachIng our later view that astrology could not be a causal phenomenon; but must be considered as a matter of mathematical expression. We cannot exp1ain why snowflakes and crystals follow the same pattern that bees follow when building the cells of their hives (the hexagon) except to say that the whole thing is a matter of abstract mathematical expression. Although the hexagon is the most economical means of building these cells, we can hardly visualize each hive of bees employing intellectual bees who labor over a drawing board computing the mathematics of what shaped room would require the least wall space to house the greatest content. Neither can we say that snowflakes cause bees to build six-sided cells. Nor can we say that snowflakes freeze in six-sided fashion because they are copying the bees. Yet a hexagon room enclosed by 60 feet of wall will contain over 259 square feet of floor area, while a square room enclosed by the same amount of wall will contain but 225 square feet of floor space. A room shaped as an equilateral triangle with 60 feet of wall will contain only 141 square feet of area. Of course, a circular room would contain a greater ratio of area to enclosure, but you can't fit circular rooms together. The more equal sides a room has, the greater the floor area, but if a room has more than six sides, you can't fit the rooms together. Among polygons of equal sides you can fit together only hexagons, squares and triangles.

Mathematically, the bee would appear further advanced than Man. He builds warehouses out of hexagonal shaped rooms while Man builds warehouses out of square or rectangular rooms. We find a strange parallel in the fact that the ancient astrologers regarded planetary aspects based on parts of hexagons as harmonious and aspects based on parts of squares as discordant. The sextile aspect is merely one side of a hexagon, while a trine aspect is one side of an equilateral triangle or two sides of a hexagon. An opposition aspect can be considered as either two squares or three sides of a hexagon, and oddly, astrologers have disagreed as to whether the opposition aspect is harmonious or discordant. It has been our experience that the aspect brings tension, problems and worries while forming, but produces CHANGE that solves the problems and gives re-lief while separating. If there is any astrological symbolism behind the six-pointed star of the Jewish church and the four-point cross of the Christian church, then one would appear to Indicate harmony and the other discord. Yet, the advanced astrologer realizes that the l, 10, 7, 4 House Cross (Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius, Taurus) is something that can be transcended through understanding and higher knowledge or wisdom, while those astrologers who look upon the story of Christ as symbolism see Christ, not as a man but as an abstract principle. To them, it is the rise of the individual above materialism and into the abstract realms. Whether Christ ever lived as a man is beside the point. The principle is the same.

Just as astrology is concerned with geometrical and therefore mathmatical figures, we find these figures throughout the mineral world. Different minerals are made up of crystals of different geometrical patterns. Not all minerals follow the hexagonal pattern. Salt crystals form the square or 90-degree angle. This is true of other minerals, but the hexagonal pattern is quite common. The crystal mines of Arkansas seem to show everything in accord with the hexagonal prinqiple. Where erosion had washed away a patch of a lava bed at the floor of the Grand Canyon, we found petrifted wood covered by hexagonal crystals. At the Spring Creek Ranch in the Texas Panhandle are found strange objects composed of calcite an inch thick and two inches in diameter that are in the form of a perfect hexagon. They are said to be a hang over from the Triassic Age, which was the earliest period of the Mesozoic Era. By careful selection,you could pave a bathroom floor with these strange objects, but most of them have other hexagons growing out of them at various angles. A geode is a strange object of nature that looks like an egg and is shaped like an egg. Their is a location near Mammouth Arizona, where these eggs lying on top of the ground in quantity over an area of ten or more square miles. These are agate geodes. They are white on the outside like an egg. Originally, they appear to have been mere shells, but from the inner surface grow crystals until the object finally becomes a solid. A hollow ultimately becomes a solid. Where does the material come from? Or does material need to come from some place? When it is ready to appear it seems to appear. Astronomers are trying to learn how matter appears or forms in space. How does it appear or form in the hollow of these geodes?

An astrological aspect is merely an abstract geometrical measurement. True, it is sometimes a measurement between two material objects, but this need not be true. It can be a measurement between a planet and a mathematical point, or a measurement between two mathematical points where there is nothing whatsoever of a material nature. It can still have its counterpart in human affairs.

Because the planetary nodes are even more important than the planets tnemselves, it is important that you understand what a planetary node is. Remember that we used imaginary embroidery hoops to illustrate two planes of space. Put one hoop inside the other, twist one so that one hoop crosses the other at two points. Look at the hoops from above that point where they cross and you see an X. The point where the two hoops cross is the node. The other point where they cross is also a node. It is customary to call one point the north node, the other point the south node.

What we call the north node of a planet is that point where the orbit of a planet crosses the plane of the earth's orbit as the planet goes north. The south node is the other point, and when the planet crosses the south node, it is traveling southerly.

Actually, no planet ever crosses the earth's orbit. It crosses the plane of the earth's orbit, Therefore it is not strictly true to consider these factors as mathematical points. When referring to a node, an astronomer means that mathematical point where the plane of a planet cuts the earth's orbit, but we could as well consIder the node that mathematical point where the plane of the earth's orbit cuts the planetary orbit. These two points would not be the same in space. One would be at the orbit of the earth while the other would be at the orbit of the planet. However, if we draw a straight line from the Sun to the mathematical point that is furthest away from the Sun, it would of necessity have to pass through the other mathematical point. Thus, the important factor with which we deal becomes not a mathematical point, but a mathematical line drawn from the Sun in opposite directions to infinity. The plane of the earth's orbit and the plane of the planetary orbit join all the way along the line.

As computed today, the planetary nodes are considered as heliocentric, those points where the above described line crosses the earth's orbit. However, if we use these points as if they were geocentric, they appear to work. This is easy to understand if we consicer that we are dealing with mathematical lines instead of mathematical points. Now, we can draw a new set of lines with the earth as the center to those points where the line above described reaches infinity and their direction must be exactly the same as the direction from the Sun. Such a conception justifies us in using the planetary nodes in our zodiac just as they are given in heliocentric longitude.

This view might also completely justify Hugh MacCraig and others who are employing heliocentric positions in the earth zodiac.

We know from experience that when the nodes are employed in this fashion they function. We do not know whether they will also function when located by Iines from the earth as a center to those points where the nodal line crosses the earth's orbit, for these points have never been calculated and published. A student well schooled in mathematics is now calculating these positions, however, and we hope it will ultimately be possible to publish them for experimental purposes.

It becomes vital to know the zodiacal position of the planetary nodes. The position of the north lunar node is given in the ephemeris. The south lunar node will be at the opposite zodiacal point. The Sun is not involved in this calculation, because the Moon goes around the earth. The point where the two orbits cross is itself in motion, and it circumvents the entire circle of the zodiac in 19 years.

The planetary nodes have a similar motion, but it is too slow to be significant within a lifetime. The nodes of Mercury circle the zodiac once in something over 171,000 years, while the nodes of Uranus make the trip in about 40,000 years. Oddly, the nodes of some of the outer planets appear to move more rapidly than those of the inner planets. In any event, however, no planetary node moves a degree within 100 years, so you can use the present nodal positions as close enough for any living being.

Planets aspecting these points, or even the lunar nodes aspecting these points, have significance. To have a body conjunct or square the node of a planet appears to be more important than to have it conjunct the planet itself. The node of Mars will show up strongly where violence and surgery is involved. In fact, we have found but one case of a hysterectomy to date where the woman did not have a planet (any planet) conjunct or square to Mars' nodes That one case had Mars conjunct the node of Saturn. During a class, a protest against this statement was introduced by the wife of a physician. As a result, all the students were requested to accumulate all the cases of hysterectomies they could find, and try and locate a case where this was not true. Many birth dates involving hyster- ectomies were produced. There was no case among them where some natal planet was not conjunct or square the nodes of Mars. That does not mean there are no such cases, and you might find one, but when you do, please send it to us. In fact, it will be very helpful to our research department if you will send in the birth dates ofall the people you know who have found hysterectomies necessary. The data will be very welcome.

Planets conjunct or square the nodes of Saturn have a depressive correspondence, while planets conjunct or square the nodes of Uranus have a very restless and rebellious spirit. The functioning seems to be similar to aspects of the planets themselves but more pronounced.

The north node of a planet is also called the ascending node, while the south node is called the descending node. No one has yet prepared symbols for the planetary nodes, and if we invented symbols and placed them in each horoscope, the charts would become rather crowded, but you can compare them with each chart you draw. You don't have to worry or be concerned about their motion, except for the lunar nodes which are given in your ephemeris. Another experience was important in our dropping any conception of astrology as a causal phenomenon. The ancients placed great emphasis on the occurrence of mportant events at the time of an eclipse of the Sun or Moon, and having observed many world shaking events that occurred near the time of an eclipse, we set out to investigate this statistically. We found many events that occurred near the time of an eclipse, but we also found many important events that occurred at other times. Eclipses can occur only when the Sun is conjunct or within about 15 degrees of a lunar node.

Our statistical investigations showed that most of the important world events which occurred when there was no eclipse took place when the Sun was square the lunar nodes. Thus, it would appear to have nothing to do with the eclipses, because there can be no eclipse when the Sun is squre the lunar nodes, but the results are the same.

Statistics also show that loss-of-life through fire increases when the Sun or Uranus is conjunct or square the lunar nodes. Yet, there is no increase in the number of fires during these periods. Our investigation included all the fires in the U.S. and Canada where the material loss was over $100,000, over an eight year period. The data were furnjshed by the National Fire Protection Association which publishes all such data for insurance companies. Nearly all the "famous" fires took place when the Sun or Uranus was conjunct or square the lunar nodes, but "famous" fires are those where loss-of-life is heavy.

It is our considered view that what is here involved is human instability. Human instability reaches its maximum when the Sun and lunar nodes are 0 and 90 degrees apart, its minimum when they are 45 or 135 degrees apart. At the maximum, people panic more easily. A very great ratio of loss-of-life through fire takes place during the night among people who are sleeping in strange surroundings as in a hotel. If they awaken in strange surroundings during an unstable period to find the building on fire, they seem to know what to do. They think clearly. But if the same thing happens during an unstable period, they are confused and they panic bringmg about their own deaths. Hotel fires which occurred during stable periods have seldom involved loss-of-life, but hotel fires occurring during the unstable intervals have resulted in very heavy loss-of-life.

At other times, people seem able to relax and maintain calmness, not all people, the majority, but during these unstable periods, people feel something has to be done about something right away. The result is that not only most wars have begun at such times, but most peace treaties have been signed at such times. Many men of great genius are born at these times.

Watch Congress! Its members can argue for months, but let one of these periods come along and they pass bills fast and furiously. If an election happens to be held at such a time, the result always seems to be the opposite of what people expect it to be. Any student who is interested in history will find it very interesting to see how world events have always coincided with these intervals of instability. Modern man knows nothing about such cycles, but the ancients were conscious of them. The ancient Chinese executed two astrologers because they were lax in their duty and failed to predict an eclipse. The ancients paid great attention to eclipses, but we have no evidence that they knew about the 90-degree angle of instability as well.

We suggest the possibility that heart attacks are more frequent at those times when we are at the apex of human instability. No statistical work has been accomplished in this direction, but newspapers often carry the news of the death or heart attacks of prominent persons at these times. Both of President Eisenhower's attacks came at such times.

From somewhere has come the tradition that for a planet to be conjunct the north node is favorable while a planet conjunct the south node is unfavorable. Over the years, we have been unable to find one iota of confirmation for this conception. We have been unable to find any evidence that the two nodes differ in any way. The results appear to be exactly the same.

The important turns during war time seem to accompany these points of instability. An inspection of history will verify this.

We must not lose sight of the fact that the zodiacal signs themselves and the astrological houses are based on nothing but mathematcal points. They are purely abstract. They are based on nodes, the crossing of planes. The zodiac is determined by the nodes where the plane of the earth's orbit and that of the earth's equator cross. The astrological houses are based on the nodes where the plane of the earth's orbit and that of the horizon cross. Theso two nodes are the ascendent and the descendent of the horoscope. In our procedure, we place the other house cusps at equal 30-degree intervals in the plane of the earth's orbit.

In interpreting planetary aspects, it is well to first see how the planets are situated in their relation to the nodes. You should check each planet in its relation to each node. After that, you should check each planet in its relation to every other planet. Do not limit your inspection to the 0 and 90 degree aspects to the nodes. Pay attention to the 60 and 120 degree aspects (sextile and trine) also. These appear to be very helpful.

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posted February 11, 2011 04:49 PM            

The other planets of the solar system also have nodes which establish relationships between their orbits and the orbit of the Earth. As I stated long ago in an article on "orbital astrology" and in a chapter of my more recent book, Person-Centered Astrology,(5) such relationships between orbits have a non-personal, almost cosmic or "fate-ful" meaning — for they deal with space and not with the planet as a material mass.

In the case of the Moon's nodes, we are dealing with what might be called the karmic way in which the Moon's function operates in a human being. But the word karma should not be used only in the sense of "bad" karma. Karma simply refers to the fact that any new cycle of existence is always in some manner related to or is a sequence of a previous cycle. The new cycle inherits from the old some unfinished business which needs to be dealt with, but it also inherits the results of some achievements. More specifically, the Moon's north node symbolizes new possibilities of growth on the basis of what has been accomplished "in the past" — let us say, in "past incarnations", although the concept of reincarnation is most ambiguous, or at least far more complex than popularly interpreted. On the other hand, the Moon's south node indicates in symbolic terms the pitfalls that the inertia of the past (or subconscious memory of past failures), places in the way of personal fulfillment. We should not forget that a person is first of all operating in a biosphere with a long evolutionary past and in a society and culture conditioned equally by ancient, collective failures as well as great achievements. Thus karma is never to be considered solely a personal matter; for it is also produced by a collective situation inherited from a long series of past generations.

The Moon's nodes have a retrograde motion in the zodiac, and the nodal axis completes one cycle of the ecliptic in about 18 and 2/3 years. The nodes of the planets are also moving, apparently in direct motion, at various but much slower speeds, most of them less than one degree of the zodiac per year.

Unfortunately, what I consider a basic misconception regarding planetary nodes has recently been introduced into astrological interpretation. At least some astrologers treat them as if they were observable entities like planets. Yet, I repeat, the nodes refer solely to the intersection of orbital planes, and such intersections are neither directly observable nor entities. They are truly metaphysical factors — factors to be calculated by the mind — which deal with space, orbital space.(6) There is obviously some difference between the calculation of lunar and planetary nodes, because the Moon revolves around the Earth, while the planets revolve around the Sun. The basic frame of reference in relation to nodes, however, is neither the Earth nor the Sun, but the Earth's orbit. The only thing that should be considered is where the orbit of any other celestial object intersects the Earth's orbit. This would be the case if we dealt with the intersection of the galactic plane or any other plane of cyclic motion and the Earth's orbit.

In the great majority of cases, planetary nodes are of no real meaning in the lives of human beings. They acquire at least potential meaning when a person, as a participant in a sociocultural whole, can be considered a mouthpiece or channel for the operation of collective forces. If the person has reached the stage of individual development at which he or she is actually conscious of what happens through his or her being, then the transpersonal level has been reached; but if there is no consciousness of being an agent of some supersocial and supercultural Power, but only a kind of unconscious mediumship the person still operates at the sociocultural level.
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posted February 11, 2011 04:57 PM            

keep in mind that Sun conjunct a Heliocentric Node is Earth conjunct the opposite heliocentric node

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posted February 11, 2011 05:45 PM            

Now putting into the context of Eris Nodes.

The nodes of Eris are two opposite points where the plane of the orbit of Eris intersects the ecliptic. As the ecliptic is not only the apparent path described by the Sun on the celes­tial sphere (i.e., among the constellations), but "a plane through the center of the Sun through which the average orbit of the Earth lies," it follows that the Eris nodes represent the points where the line of intersection of the plane of Eris' orbit and the plane of the Earth's orbit meet the celestial sphere (i.e., the "dome of the skies"). The Sun is naturally at the midpoint of this line of intersection.

The orbit of Eris represents the total cycle of dynamic activity of Eris in relation to the Sun. The Sun stands there as the integrator of the whole system, that which holds it together and represents its ultimate total significance. Eris, of itself, symbolizes a particular and to some extent independent mode of life-activity. But its orbit is a representation of this characteristic activity, not as a thing in itself, but rather in relation to the Sun. The orbit signifies therefore the integrative aspect of the planetary activity, viz., this activity as it operates definitely within the organic whole and for the fulfillment of the central aim of integration of personality.

Because the Eris nodes are even more important than Eris itself, it is important that you understand what a planetary node is. Remember that we used imaginary embroidery hoops to illustrate two planes of space. Put one hoop inside the other, twist one so that one hoop crosses the other at two points. Look at the hoops from above that point where they cross and you see an X. The point where the two hoops cross is the node. The other point where they cross is also a node. It is customary to call one point the north node, the other point the south node.

What we call the north node of a planet is that point where the orbit of a planet crosses the plane of the earth's orbit as the planet goes north. The south node is the other point, and when the planet crosses the south node, it is traveling southerly.

Planets aspecting the Eris Nodes, or even the lunar nodes aspecting the Eris Nodes, have significance. To have a body conjunct or square the node of Eris appears to be more important than to have it conjunct Eris itself.

The Eris Nodes refer solely to the intersection of orbital planes, and such intersections are neither directly observable nor entities. They are truly metaphysical factors — factors to be calculated by the mind — which deal with space, orbital space.(6) There is obviously some difference between the calculation of lunar and planetary nodes, because the Moon revolves around the Earth, while the planets revolve around the Sun. The basic frame of reference in relation to Eris Nodes is the Earth's orbit. The only thing that should be considered is where the orbit of any other celestial object intersects the Earth's orbit. This would be the case if we dealt with the intersection of the galactic plane or any other plane of cyclic motion and the Earth's orbit.

In the great majority of cases, The Eris Nodes are of no real meaning in the lives of human beings. They acquire at least potential meaning when a person, as a participant in a sociocultural whole, can be considered a mouthpiece or channel for the operation of collective forces. If the person has reached the stage of individual development at which he or she is actually conscious of what happens through his or her being, then the transpersonal level has been reached; but if there is no consciousness of being an agent of some supersocial and supercultural Power, but only a kind of unconscious mediumship the person still operates at the sociocultural level.

If the theory holds water we can expect, when glancing down the list of dates when the Geocentric Sun is conjunct the individual Heliocentric Eris Node, that the dates are close to pivotal world events. Also the birthdays of famous and infamous people, who made or continue to make, an impact on the group consciousness of society.

The following is just for the Sun conjunct the Heliocentric South Node in Scorpio which is also Earth conjunct the Heliocentric North Node in Taurus
The Sun is also oppose/conjunct the Geocentric Eris Nodes.

When there is a Sun-Earth-Node alignment, the Geocentric Nodes and the Heliocentric Nodes are aligned with each other with the Sun in alignment with the Geocentric Nodes and Earth in alignment with the Heliocentric Nodes.

This is the case, especially with Jupiter and objects orbiting beyond Jupiter ......especially the transneptunian objects
the more further out an object, the more the heliocentric nodes and geocentric nodes converge

In regards to the meanings of Eris

it seems to be about diversity,equality,discord,controversy as well as evolutionary intensification:
It orbits beyond Neptune and even beyond Pluto and the plutinos which are objects who orbits are locked with Neptune via 2:3 orbital resonance (for every 3 times Neptune orbits the Sun, Pluto orbits twice).
It was named after the Goddess of Discord by one of its discoverers, Dr. Michael Brown because its discovery led to the debate of the definition of a planet and the demotion of Pluto from major planet to minor planet which was connected to controversy and discord. Dr. Michael Brown said that the name was so fitting for the object that it even almost made him believe in Astrology!
Its discovery led to Pluto and Ceres being equals as dwarf planets. Ceres was stripped of its planetary status after 40 years of being classed as a planet.
Pluto was stripped of its planetary status after 70 years of being classed as a planet.
Eris has a Persephone/Proserpina-like orbit. That means that for half of its orbital period, it orbits near Pluto. For the other half, it orbits far from Pluto.
In mythology, Demeter/Ceres and Hades/Pluto split time with Persephone/Proserpina.
As a scattered disk object, it has a highly eccentric orbit and is not part of the kuiper belt even though it's a transneptunian object. It has nonconformist qualities to it.

This is what Philip Sedgwick said for preliminary keywords for Eris.
He didn't just go by the mythology and name. He went by its astronomical,orbital features. He also went by the sign placement of its Heliocentric North Node (in Eris' case, Taurus) and the sign placement of its Perihelion (In Eris' case, Libra). Note: Both Eris' Heliocentric North Node and Perihelion are in signs ruled by Venus, the ruler of love and relationships. In Greek mythology: Eris threw a golden apple at the wedding of King Peleus of Pythia and Thetis, The Nereid, a sea goddess (the parents of Achilles, the greatest warrior during the Trojan War)
It was eventually awarded to Aphrodite (Greek version of Venus) after bribing Paris with the most beautiful woman in the world - Helen who was already married to King Menelaus of Sparta. Paris abducted Helen, and The Trojan War started. Therefore, both Eris and Aphrodite had connections
to the Trojan War which was the Greek mythology's version of World War.

Perihelion is the point of an object's orbit nearest to the Sun

any ways Philip Sedgwick's preliminary keywords:

Positive - liberation from addictions to success or status, clear priorities regarding matters of love and money, finally getting you can't take it with you and applying full resourcefulness in life, recognition of the potency of one's energy and life force, clear sense of the sacred marriages: spirit to body, self to Creator, between soulful companions, personal sense of emergence.

Negative - greed, workaholism, believe that you must take over for God, general sense of being forsaken, condemned or abandoned, lack of spiritual regard for life, superficial, status oriented.

Mundane: promises and vows (both kept and broken), elections and election fraud, intervention by higher powers (troubleshooters, authorities, deity or God), using chaos and disruption as a method of reorganization - i.e., dumping a closet onto the floor, then reorganizing, things that overturn, the scales of justice, battles, disputes, famine, fightings, lawlessness (attributed to her moon, Dysnomia), lies, manslayings, murders, oath, oblivion, quarrels - and the last word therein, sorrows and toil, contention, rivalry, loved the spilling of blood on the battlefield, the fifth day of the month, gluttony, gloating, the nurse of war, women wearing men’s uniforms (sports players, women in the military, astronauts)

Ceremonial: capitulation ceremonies, vows to create order from chaos, intent to right wrongdoing, abundance ceremonies

I extend Philip Sedgwick's method of Eris North Helicoentric Node and Perihelion insights by
looking at the Sabian Symbols of the Heliocentric North Node and Perihelion of an object for insights.

Sabian Symbol 6 Taurus
Cantilever Bridge Across a Deep Gorge
'the conquest of separativeness though group co-operation'

Sabian Symbol 15 Libra
Circular Paths
'coming to terms with the inevitability of establishing rhythms of social activity'

These are for dates
October 28th and October 29th
Sun in Scorpio oppose/conjunct Geocentric Eris Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio
Earth in Taurus conjunct/oppose Heliocentric Eris Nodes in Taurus/Scorpio

The Stock Market Crash that led to the Great Depression occured on October 29, 1929

Bill Gates was born on October 28, 1955 (He has Moon conjunct Eris)

Richard Dreyfuss was born October 29,1947

Winona Ryder was born on October 29, 1971 (She and I were born a few hours apart)
Duane Allman of the Allman Brothers died in a motorcycle accident on the same day.

October 28, 1965 – Nostra Aetate, the "Declaration on the Relation of the Church with Non-Christian Religions" of the Second Vatican Council, is promulgated by Pope Paul VI; it absolves the Jews of the alleged killing of Jesus, reversing Innocent III's 760 year-old declaration.

National Organization For Women (NOW) was founded on October 29, 1966

October 28, 1982 – Spanish Socialist Workers' Party (PSOE) wins elections, leading to first Socialist government in Spain after death of Franco. Felipe Gonzalez becomes Prime Minister-elect.

October 28,1998 – An Air China jetliner is hijacked by disgruntled pilot Yuan Bin and flown to Taiwan.

October 28, 2006 – Funeral service takes place for those executed at Bykivnia forest, outside Kiev, Ukraine. 817 Ukrainian civilians (out of some 100,000) executed by Bolsheviks at Bykivnia in 1930s – early 1940s are reburied.

October 28, 2007 - Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner becomes the first woman elected President of Argentina.

October 28, 2009 -
1. President Barack Obama signed legislation today adding gays to the list of groups covered by the federal hate-crime law, the biggest expansion of such protections in decades
2. Angela Merkel was sworn in Wednesday for a second term as German chancellor, a month after her party won national elections.
3. Michael Jackson's This Is It" premiered to high praise from fans who applauded at each number as though they were at a concert and marveled as the singer stepped nimbly through his moonwalk and other signature moves.
4. President Barack Obama signed into law a new provision that would pay Taliban fighters who renounce the insurgency, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin said on Tuesday.
5. An 88-year-old former member of the Waffen SS went on trial Wednesday on three counts of murder for the wartime killings of three civilians in the Netherlands

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posted February 11, 2011 09:21 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by woah cakes:
hey glaucus! what is your take on sun opposite moon synastry? is there anything heliocentrically awesome about it, or does that just apply to sun-sun?

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Considering the heliocentric perspective, I don't believe that Sun opposite Moon in synastry is actually a bad thing.

The Sun in Geocentric chart is always exactly opposite the Earth in Heliocentric chart.

That means that Earth is conjunct Moon in the synastry which indicates the one's reflection of spirit (Earth) merges with the other's emotional nature (Moon).

One's higher self (Heliocentric) strongly merges with the other's physical vessel (Geocentric)

rule when understanding, Sun-Earth polarity

Sun in geocentric chart is always exactly opposite Earth in heliocentric chart

if Sun opposes something,
then Earth conjuncts it

if Sun conjuncts something,
then Earth opposes it

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posted February 11, 2011 11:01 PM            

quote:

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I'm an Aries woman with a Libra man.
ME
Sun Aries
Moon Aries
Mercury Aries
Venus Pisces
Mars Pisces

HIM
Sun Libra
Moon Aries
Mercury Scorpio
Venus Virgo
Mars Scorpio

In a nutshell:
1. Sex is the BEST.
2. Bad communication (me too spontaneous, him too organized).
3. Lots of attraction (opposed suns, opposed venuses).
4. I get him, he doesn't get me.

I dare say I have to do all the adapting. :|

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Goes to show you how different people of the same Sun sign can be.

I have...

Sun in Aries
Moon in Capricorn
AC in Cancer

Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Taurus
Mars in Capricorn

My ex Libra is:

Sun in Libra
Moon in Capricorn
AC in Capricorn

Mercury in Scorpio
Venus in Libra
Mars in Virgo

He was very unlike what you described. He always compromised - If anything he compromised too much. He is a very good listener. We have Mercury trine Mercury - Moon conjunct Moon - and Mercury sextile Moon DW.
We could talk for hours and hours.
Sexually it was ok, but not stellar.

I'm with you on sex being the *best* with Scorpio Mars LOL

posted February 13, 2011 11:11 AM            

That's quite interesting, perhaps your ex had strong Libra energy. My guy has not, he tends to overemphasize on his Virgo and Scorpio energies.