posted February 09, 2011 02:14 PM            

I have recieved this suggestion from an astounding number of people.

I am a seventh, and 8th house person, with a sixth house pluto in scorpio well aspected...

But what makes a great psychologist is genuine sympathy...you have to be clean of all jealousy...that is the first key.

Anyone with a jealous bone in their body will never be a good psychologist.

posted February 09, 2011 02:18 PM            

having an aspect between the sun pluto neptune or jupiter in one of the houses of 6, 10, or 2, will do wonders for psychology in an objective fashion...

Unfortunately i have to disagree with moon in the 8th....moon in the 8th tends to make one's emotions affected easily by the eb and flow of others.....

posted February 09, 2011 02:21 PM            

my gf is an 8th house moon and its as you say!

posted February 09, 2011 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Interestingly, I have no jealousy whatsoever. I'm very secure and don't see the point in it. But I do know that women in general (always some exceptions) are by nature jealous to a degree.

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Wasn't implying yiou did, I was just making the point that someone with alot of 8th house and 7th house won't necessarily be a great psychologist - like Freud wasn't great, he was smart, but what he did is reduce humans to reptiles...

posted February 09, 2011 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Interestingly, I have no jealousy whatsoever. I'm very secure and don't see the point in it. But I do know that women in general (always some exceptions) are by nature jealous to a degree.

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posted February 09, 2011 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by letram:
i agree with you roadwarrior,

my gf is an 8th house moon and its as you say!

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posted February 09, 2011 02:52 PM            

Moon - Pluto connection works with a touch of Saturn to add for structure. A Cancer planet would be good. Maybe something in the 4th house as well.

I have an 8th house Mars in Cappy that devles into the deep mysterious undertones of life. I also have an Aqua MC that would be good at analsying folks......

Part of the answer comes from my chart and the interpretations I have heard points to psychology.

posted February 09, 2011 03:09 PM            

When referrring to Jung/Freud. They're both Psychiatrist. Psychiatry requires a medical degree. Psychiatrist have the ability to provide medical options if necessary.

Psychology can vary in the level of the degree you want and there are different fields of focus for psychology. Influential psychologist include B.F. Skinner (founded Behavioralism) and Abraham Maslow (founded Humanistic Psychology) William James (functionalism) ect. ect.

And here are all the fields of focus available in the psychology realm today.
http://www.allpsychologycareers.com/topics/psychology-topics.html

You have Clinical Psychology, Forscenic Psychology, Health Psychology, Neuropsychology, Sports Psychology, Music Therapy, ect.

Which if you think about you could spend all day assessing what sign would fit what focus best.

But if we are going to use Jung/Freud. I just want to say that psychiatry typically exposes you to a clinical setting and patients with extreme personality/behavioral backgrounds. You absolutely can never ever rely on "gut" when dealing with those patients. Because you could end up messing things up big time. You need earth in your chart for this. Because you have to stay grounded. You can not let emotion get in the way. I read stories of psychiatrist who felt good about the improving behavior of a patient who had suffered with Schizophrenia. The Psychiatrist had spent a great deal of time with him and everything was coming along great. And he allowed the guy to do some community involvement around the clinic. Lets just that the patient managed to make a home explosive device through seeking in the kitchen each day. This device could pretty much wipe out half the hospital if it went off. That Psychiatrist "felt" good about his work with the patient and seeing improvement which lead him to grant that patients wish who wanted a chance to change. It's hard to tell with patients though. But you have to rationalise versus acting on emotion.

I only know this story because it's in a book I have about dealing with institutionalized settings because I take the MCAT in April because I'd like my area of expertise to be in Pediatric Psychiatry. And everything I've read tells you that you have to be grounded and not rely on emotion. Which is why I said no with Cancer.

But heavy Cancer in ones chart might work better with other areas available in Family Therapy, Marriage Therapy, or Domestic Violence Therapy Sessions. And they may have a better connection with that then other signs.

posted February 09, 2011 03:31 PM            

A great therapist (and some psychiatrists, psychologists, and psychoanalysts focus exclusively on theory or research) understands and acknowledges that no human being is fully "together" or free from natural and universal emotions like attachment, jealously, insecurity...s/he just works with them as constructively as possible (which is a daily practice), and tries to approach things with humilty, open-mindedness, open-heartedness, and a strong sense of humor about him or herself.

posted February 09, 2011 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
I don't think distinction between psychiatrist/psychologist/psychoanalyst is very significant when it comes to looking at astrological factors that make a good one. That's why I listed all three in my last post. All have a strong 8th, the house of psychology.

A great therapist (and some psychiatrists, psychologists, and psychoanalysts focus exclusively on theory or research) understands and acknowledges that no human being is fully "together" or free from natural and universal emotions like attachment, jealously, insecurity...s/he just works with them as constructively as possible (which is a daily practice), and tries to approach things with humilty, open-mindedness, open-heartedness, and a strong sense of humor about him or herself.

A good one needs the ability to understand the deep contradictions that all humans struggle with. If s/he can't recognize his/her own fragilities and defense mechanisms, s/he won't be a good counsellor or researcher, let alone a good theorist in the field.

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Absolutely. No one is free of their emotions. But learning to control your emotion and not rely heavily on "gut" is essential for a Psychologist and Psychiatrist. "Gut" is not a solid foundation on judging and diagnosing a patient. I absolutely mean in no way to come off as arrogant or mean. But I used to have a hard time differentiating between what I thought Psychology was and what it actually ended up being. I am Psychology major. I've taken most of my upper level courses at UF. Most people will drop out of Psychology after the required introduction course. And the most frequent reponse for why they dropped their major.."I thought I would be learning about how to read into people and searching into the dark depths of the unknown. I got into my class and I am learning about stupid things like neurotransmitters. It was so boring."

It's odd people associate this mystical Scorpio thing to it. Trust me. It's not what Psychology is.

My argument against relying on emotion is compeletely rooted in the fact a psychologist will never ever ever diagnose a person based on a feeling. Things have to be followed through based on extensive research that has a solid ground and it has to be tested through a scientific method. You typically would go through all of this with the use of a DSM-IV too, which has laid down a ground for diagnoses of each mental disorder.

You can't play games when dealing with medications and human emotion. They can end up fatal.
And you're right it does require an open minded person to do it. But you just can't take risks and judge based on gut alone. You definitely will feel for each patient because you're human and you care. But there will be a lot of intensity, aggression, and pain involved at times. You have to be capable to detach yourself at a certain point so you don't end up biased to your own "feelings" and thus end up diagnosing based on "gut feelings".

Because these medicines if given to the wrong person, can destroy a life. Which is why there is a huge difference in psychology/psychiatry.

It's a grounded practice. That was my argument. If you are easily set off by heavy emotion, you could end up doing more harm to them while thinking what you're doing is good. Patience, grounded psychological research, good self control, good listening/communication skills, genuine care for the person and their state, this is all essential to the practice. But you have to be able to disconnect from your own overwhelming emotions, so you can find a solution for the root of their problem. You can still completely be there for them with arms open, but still remain grounded. It's about helping people find the solution that is best for them. So they can start new in their life. You can't let your own feelings about their feelings get in the way or you're truly not intune with them and what they came to you for in the first place.

posted February 09, 2011 04:57 PM            

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.."I thought I would be learning about how to read into people and searching into the dark depths of the unknown. I got into my class and I am learning about stupid things like neurotransmitters. It was so boring."

It's odd people associate this mystical Scorpio thing to it. Trust me. It's not what Psychology is.

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The work of the great innovators and practitioners in the field--from Freud and Jung to Lacan and Melanie Klein and RD Laing to Susie Orbach or Irvine Yalom--is waaay more about the "dark depths of the unknown" than about the simplistic concepts and biodeterminism taught in a standard-issue undergrad Psych 101 class.

Whether they come from a background in neurology or philosophy, the best practitioners in any aspect of the field have a drive to understand those "dark depths of the unknown", and they've got planets in the 8th.

posted February 09, 2011 05:42 PM            

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It's a grounded practice. That was my argument. If you are easily set off by heavy emotion, you could end up doing more harm to them while thinking what you're doing is good. Patience, grounded psychological research, good self control, good listening/communication skills, genuine care for the person and their state, this is all essential to the practice. But you have to be able to disconnect from your own overwhelming emotions, so you can find a solution for the root of their problem.

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posted February 09, 2011 06:04 PM            

When I was 21 I had a part-time counselling job, working with children of ages: 6 to 13.

posted February 09, 2011 09:18 PM            

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Originally posted by heavenlyhera:
Absolutely. No one is free of their emotions. But learning to control your emotion and not rely heavily on "gut" is essential for a Psychologist and Psychiatrist. "Gut" is not a solid foundation on judging and diagnosing a patient. I absolutely mean in no way to come off as arrogant or mean. But I used to have a hard time differentiating between what I thought Psychology was and what it actually ended up being. I am Psychology major. I've taken most of my upper level courses at UF. Most people will drop out of Psychology after the required introduction course. And the most frequent reponse for why they dropped their major.."I thought I would be learning about how to read into people and searching into the dark depths of the unknown. I got into my class and I am learning about stupid things like neurotransmitters. It was so boring."

It's odd people associate this mystical Scorpio thing to it. Trust me. It's not what Psychology is.

My argument against relying on emotion is compeletely rooted in the fact a psychologist will never ever ever diagnose a person based on a feeling. Things have to be followed through based on extensive research that has a solid ground and it has to be tested through a scientific method. You typically would go through all of this with the use of a DSM-IV too, which has laid down a ground for diagnoses of each mental disorder.

You can't play games when dealing with medications and human emotion. They can end up fatal.
And you're right it does require an open minded person to do it. But you just can't take risks and judge based on gut alone. You definitely will feel for each patient because you're human and you care. But there will be a lot of intensity, aggression, and pain involved at times. You have to be capable to detach yourself at a certain point so you don't end up biased to your own "feelings" and thus end up diagnosing based on "gut feelings".

Because these medicines if given to the wrong person, can destroy a life. Which is why there is a huge difference in psychology/psychiatry.

It's a grounded practice. That was my argument. If you are easily set off by heavy emotion, you could end up doing more harm to them while thinking what you're doing is good. Patience, grounded psychological research, good self control, good listening/communication skills, genuine care for the person and their state, this is all essential to the practice. But you have to be able to disconnect from your own overwhelming emotions, so you can find a solution for the root of their problem. You can still completely be there for them with arms open, but still remain grounded. It's about helping people find the solution that is best for them. So they can start new in their life. You can't let your own feelings about their feelings get in the way or you're truly not intune with them and what they came to you for in the first place.

They came because they want someone to listen, someone to care, someone to fall back on, and someone to help them with the process of becoming better. I think genuine care for a patient comes from putting aside how you feel in order to hear how they feel. You'll will hear somethings that will anger you at times. They might even seem disturbing, sickening, and evil. You can't let these emotions get to you. These people need help. You care and you want to help. If they hit a bad nerve, and you're someone who is highly sensitive and emotional to that nerve. You could end up hurting them rather then helping them find their place of healing.

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posted February 09, 2011 11:07 PM            

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Counter-transference is unavoidable...emotion is necessary and impossible to block.

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Yes, I actually totally agree with roadwarrior here. And this is standard and understood in most of the literature, at least all of it that I'm familiar with. There are a lot of interesting books and case studies by therapists (both psychiatrist-MDs and psychologists-PhDs) about this experience.

IMO, most people who are good at anything acknowledge their flaws, humanness, and imperfection. When someone says there's a basic human emotion (like anger) that they never experience...or they claim to have everything totally together and be totally stable and act as a pillar of strength for the less evolved, I find it suspect and see it as a red flag, a sign that they're not self-aware.

Wise people are always learning, and understand that they don't know everything and haven't mastered anything.

posted February 09, 2011 11:43 PM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Yes, I actually totally agree with roadwarrior here. And this is standard and understood in most of the literature, at least all of it that I'm familiar with. There are a lot of interesting books and case studies by therapists (both psychiatrist-MDs and psychologists-PhDs) about this experience.

IMO, most people who are good at anything acknowledge their flaws, humanness, and imperfection. When someone says there's a basic human emotion (like anger) that they never experience...or they claim to have everything totally together and be totally stable and act as a pillar of strength for the less evolved, I find it suspect and see it as a red flag, a sign that they're not self-aware.

Wise people are always learning, and understand that they don't know everything and haven't mastered anything.

In most schools of psychotherapy, the therapist-in-training is expected to also be in therapy. That process helps them deepen their humility and self-awareness.

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Lucia I'm falling in love with your reponse. Thank you. Your cordiality has brought me a tear..

and yes tis true..

I do entertain the vices as wel all do, right now it's sloth....I have alot of work to do.

posted February 10, 2011 02:05 AM            

From Liz Greene psychological profile of my chart:
Ancient Greek philosophy postulated that the human intellect was divine; and although you no doubt too rational to attribute mystical origins and powers to the mind, reason is virtually a god to you. You tend to think in clear, well-organised patterns, and possess the ability to view any situation from a detached perspective and dissect it into its component parts so that its structure and dynamics shine through. You have a way of cutting through others' mental and emotional fog to get at the truth, and thus you are often the one to whom others turn when they need clarity, objectivity and direction. You are rarely to be found in an emotional muddle yourself, for you constantly analyse your feelings and if necessary simply disconnect from them if they threaten to trouble you too much; and for you, everything in life, including your own and others' behaviour, must have a logical explanation. You are a great believer in the healing power of objective thought, and are convinced that if only human beings could be more reasonable, more in control of their chaotic emotions and more capable of a broad and impersonal viewpoint, life would be so much better, cleaner and brighter.