posted February 10, 2011 03:44 AM            

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Originally posted by roadwarriorsdp:
Counter-transference is unavoidable...emotion is necessary and impossible to block. Im suprised you dont know that.

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Again. I am all for displaying sincere genuine sympathy for the patient. Absolutely. I've sought out therapy for what happened to me. I've been down an abuse road.
But inside you have to maintain control or you will absorb those energies from your patients and make them your own. As a patient who was at a breaking point before. I can honestly say. I'd rather have a therapist who was capable of talking to me in a grounded manner but with a genuine caring undertone. Extreme displays of emotion from my therapist would tell me maybe they weren't ready for this and it'd scare me away.
When an abuse patient falls back on a therapist for help. They want to know how to get better. Therefore, they seek out someone who has the backbone but a soft feel to them too. You know this psychologist is realistic with a perfect touch of softness. They make you feel like you're a good friend of theirs, but also a friend who you can get the truth from and will know when to help you break a certain pattern for the well being of you overall.
Biased judgment, People who lack emotional control when dealing with being receptive to energy fields, and heavy use of "Gut". That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.

Arguments sake. Think of the sickest thing you can think of. The thing that gets your blood boiling when you hear about it. Now imagine a patient telling you that they love doing that and wish they could stop, but it's too much fun. And they wish they didn't think this way.

Now imagine how your response would be if you were easily lead by "gut" and "heavy emotion"...

posted February 10, 2011 03:57 AM            

"About this fluidity of interpretation and emotion, there has accumulated a bit of oversimplifying conventional wisdom: In any situation you have complete control and flexibility in how you respond. No matter what's going on, you can choose whether to be angry or calm, resentful or forgiving-it's all up to you. I'll call this the Total Control Theory of emotions.."

..."we most often hear the "total control" theory of emotions accompanied by advocacy of a particular position: "Stop feeling X, and you can. It is within your power to do so." The Secret is another example. It argues for a supposedly appropriate positive attitude but it also assumes that you have a lot of choice about what you feel. Total Control Theory could also be called the jukebox theory of emotion. You get to pick the tune. And clearly, to some extent you do, or else in the scenario above you couldn't turn a low probability of calm into a high probability of calm.

Competing with the Total Control Theory there is another bit of conventional wisdom about emotional control that is also quite prevalent. We could call this the No Control Theory: You feel what you feel and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it. No Control Theory doesn't seem to have proponents who advocate it explicitly. Rather it's implicit in what we say when we want our emotions to have an effect on others. "Look," we say, "it's just how I feel. Get used to it." Or "Hey, I'm just reporting," as though emotions are like thermometer readings. There's one emotion per instant. You can read it out loud or not, but it is what it is. Implicit allusion to the No Control Theory is a way to say "take it or leave it, but I ain't gonna change it." It's a way of sending a clear if stubborn signal.

posted February 10, 2011 04:10 AM            

I also find it interesting Carl Rogers was a Capricorn and he is known as the "father of client-centered therapy".

posted February 10, 2011 10:23 AM            

I've learned handwriting analysis when I was 13 and astrology soon after. I suppose I've always had an innate interest in these kinds of things. I am never satisfied with just a shallow understanding of people -- I always want to know who they really are. Most of the time it would be me warning people not to trust a particular person. A lot of the time I have a different impression of people than the general populace do.

posted February 10, 2011 12:48 PM            

BUT, the standard processes for dealing with emotions and countertransference in a session are very different than a person believing that he/she DOESN'T FEEL jealousy, anger, etc. Believing he/she is stable and together and doesn't feel jealousy or anger is a huge red flag, indictive of denial and lack of self-awareness. Saying, "I experience these feelings and I make a practice of managing them constructively, both with patients and in my life" and making the conscious decision to work with the patient and his/her life instead of deal with your own personal issues makes a good therapist.

But believing you are more stable or more emotionally evolved than others, or that you've mastered a basic human emotion, is a red flag for exactly the opposite. A nuanced understand of your own self-contradictions is a must in a good therapist.

posted February 11, 2011 12:34 AM            

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Originally posted by Lucia23:
Sure, when you practice therapy, you manage your own emotions in a constructive way, and sort of gently set them aside to work with the patient. The way the therapy session works and should work is that (unlike in a real life relationship), the therapist is simply there to facilitate the patient's development and process...anything s/he expresses should be toward that purpose.

BUT, the standard processes for dealing with emotions and countertransference in a session are very different than a person believing that he/she DOESN'T FEEL jealousy, anger, etc. Believing he/she is stable and together and doesn't feel jealousy or anger is a huge red flag, indictive of denial and lack of self-awareness. Saying, "I experience these feelings and I make a practice of managing them constructively, both with patients and in my life" and making the conscious decision to work with the patient and his/her life instead of deal with your own personal issues makes a good therapist.

But believing you are more stable or more emotionally evolved than others, or that you've mastered a basic human emotion, is a red flag for exactly the opposite. A nuanced understand of your own self-contradictions is a must in a good therapist.

It works the same intellectually and spiritually. Someone who says/believes "I have a lot to teach people" probably really doesn't. A wise person will say, "I have a lot to learn from people."

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I thought that was what I presented in the last 4 posts? That it was about self control and disconnecting from your own emotions (and emotional response) so they could present theirs?

You will always feel things, but how you handle your actions yourself when you feel them is the key though.

If you rely heavily on impulse "gut" feeling. Then chances are you've already made up your mind about the person. Which thus, contradicts the your teacher-student comment. How can you begin to learn about a person if you rely on your own "gut" to tell you who they are?

You can't hear someone elses emotions, if you're only listening to yours.

posted October 07, 2017 06:19 AM            

I have always found Freud a very sex obsessed sick man and I can't get why west is so into him even though the majority does find his theories bad?

There is also a thing in the psychology world that has been popular lately that I instinctively found very stupid. The "meet your inner child, console her/him" etc crap!
I found it wrong in a way. And finally I have read interviews with psychologists who agrees with me on this. As a child one is defenceless and depends on the adults, so there is no point in trying to make up images where you consol your inner child as that child does not need consoling at all. Anyways, yeah I'm very into psychology and theuman mind.

I think I would have been a very good psychologist, but wait, NO! I'm very religious and have a faith, so clients that do not believe in God, those I would have hard time to relate to! I mean, how do I conso anyone who does not believe in the afterlife, or in detiny. The fact hat you can and should do your best in life, but it's up to God to give it to you in the end etc etc.. Ok I'm not gonna go into this stuff... so no I would be a terrible psychologist hahah!

The placements gives me good potential though!

I have in my 8th house, Venus (the ruler of my Sun sign) Jupiter and N.node. Venus square Neptune and inconj Pluto, trine Saturn.

My Sun and Mercury in 9th house Taurus in contact with Pluto (oppo) Neptune and Uranus (trine).

Saturnus and Uranus in 4th house.

A Gemini Stellium (Moon, Mars and Chiron) in 10th house.

posted October 07, 2017 10:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Melinn:
My extreme interest in psychologi is what made me fall for astrology in the first place. And it begun at a young age, I was around 12 years old when I read my first proper astrology book. In my case it's because I'm very interested in how my psyche works. The "why did I do this or that?" "why do I feel like this?" etc. And secondly, I also em very interested in knowing what makes a person tick, I like observing people, trying to undersand their feelings, behaviour etc.

I have always found Freud a very sex obsessed sick man and I can't get why west is so into him even though the majority does find his theories bad?

There is also a thing in the psychology world that has been popular lately that I instinctively found very stupid. The "meet your inner child, console her/him" etc crap!
I found it wrong in a way. And finally I have read interviews with psychologists who agrees with me on this. As a child one is defenceless and depends on the adults, so there is no point in trying to make up images where you consol your inner child as that child does not need consoling at all. Anyways, yeah I'm very into psychology and theuman mind.

I think I would have been a very good psychologist, but wait, NO! I'm very religious and have a faith, so clients that do not believe in God, those I would have hard time to relate to! I mean, how do I conso anyone who does not believe in the afterlife, or in detiny. The fact hat you can and should do your best in life, but it's up to God to give it to you in the end etc etc.. Ok I'm not gonna go into this stuff... so no I would be a terrible psychologist hahah!

The placements gives me good potential though!

I have in my 8th house, Venus (the ruler of my Sun sign) Jupiter and N.node. Venus square Neptune and inconj Pluto, trine Saturn.

My Sun and Mercury in 9th house Taurus in contact with Pluto (oppo) Neptune and Uranus (trine).

Saturnus and Uranus in 4th house.

A Gemini Stellium (Moon, Mars and Chiron) in 10th house.

Virgo asc, yes I really like helping people!

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posted October 12, 2017 09:58 AM            

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Wouldn't synastry come into play here? I mean someone can be a mediocre therapist in general, but be the PERFECT therapist for you and vice versa. Because emotional connection and mental affinity is so important to have with a therapist and only synastry can show whether you will have that with them or not.

I never went to a therapist, but I went to lots of doctors for a serious ailment as a kid. They were all the "best" from top ranking schools because my father was in the medical field himself. But none of them found the problem. Know who did?- a nobody kid doctor with very little experience who was basically straight out of his mediocre school. He succeeded where all the other one's failed. He wasn't considered the best doctor... but he was the best doctor for ME.

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posted October 12, 2017 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by manderin:
Wouldn't synastry come into play here? I mean someone can be a mediocre therapist in general, but be the PERFECT therapist for you and vice versa. Because emotional connection and mental affinity is so important to have with a therapist and only synastry can show whether you will have that with them or not.

I never went to a therapist, but I went to lots of doctors for a serious ailment as a kid. They were all the "best" from top ranking schools because my father was in the medical field himself. But none of them found the problem. Know who did?- a nobody kid doctor with very little experience who was basically straight out of his mediocre school. He succeeded where all the other one's failed. He wasn't considered the best doctor... but he was the best doctor for ME.

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posted October 12, 2017 11:14 AM            

Well if you are a therapist I think chiron can come into play because essentially part of your job is to help others heal and integrate.

I have chiron forming a golden YOD with my PLUTO in the 12th and my moon. I think the 12th house would also play a role because therapists work with the subconscious.

I feel venus plays a role too because its a profession about love bc you help others learn to love and accept themselves, all parts of themselves.

Venus rules my 12th house! and conjuncts my Mars exact which is my 6th house ruler and both fall in my 10th house.