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Topic: The dilemma between Cancers and Air signs
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blugrey
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posted March 14, 2011 08:20 PM
  
Sun sign astrology doesn't really work, because on top of that you have aspects to the sun, the sun's house, etc. Plus your ASC, Moon, and Mars can shift how you act significantly. I do identify strongly with Linda's Description of Gemini - but I feel she is a true astrology instead of those who limit us to a shallow slutty unintelligent liar. Every sign in every placement has their own strengths and weaknesses - yes, I do exaggerate and I am not stable. I can recognize this - some people can accept this and appreciate it and some can't. This is based on many many layers. Some Aqua people can have great relationships with Cancers and come can't. It all depends on the whole picture. So yeah, you can get an overall idea of the relationship especially if the two involved have conjunctions or same-sign planets as their sun.... but it's all relative. That's why there are couple of all combos. BTW, If I have done something wrong or hurt someone's feelings, I always apologize. Half my chart is Gemini and I have a Sag moon. Again... not everyone is the same. I think the point is that instead of first assuming why or how people do things is bad and labeling that is not going to help anything especially in a relationship with very different people. IP: Logged |
SmilingHeart
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posted March 14, 2011 08:57 PM
I am suprised about all the bad experiences with Cancer Moons. I have a Cancer Moon myself and I hate depending on others. I am also not very clingy. About 60% of my friends are Cancer Moons...I just feel very comfortable around them... earth and water moons in general. Yes, I am sensitive and emotional but I rarely show it.
The most codependent, whiny, clingy, neurotic person I know is my cousin. She is a Gemini with Gem Moon and Cancer Mercury. SOOoooooo much whining!! Oh my God...you can't even imagine. I find air moons in general kinda...strange. They're friendly and nice but I don't 'click' with them. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted March 14, 2011 09:11 PM
Though you guys may have a point, I still think sun sign astrology works most of the time, and those who dont fit into it are the exception. You guys may feel ur blood boiling at the apparent ignorance of that statement lol, but I've just noticed too many similarities among the sun signs to deny it. And hey, if it works for me then live and let live, no?I understand that someone could be offended if i'm saying aquariuses aren't loyal and that they can't say sorry, and if that person wanted to they could say why they dont think that's true. But anyone has the right to go make a thread about how cancers are clingy and whiny, and they have before lol. And then cancers might go there and try to explain themselves. Lol but that's the beauty of freedom of speech and of learning. IP: Logged |
freebrainstorms
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posted March 14, 2011 09:25 PM
I should've clarified in the beginning of my post, both female friends were cancers with capricorn moons and my male friend who dated both of them was an aqua sun and leo moon.I wanted to say just back up slowly from each other and nobody gets hurt....
Actually I did kind of tell them that lol IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted March 14, 2011 09:53 PM
Lolol yeah yeah I got that. How did them dating end up in him not being friends with you anymore, by the way? IP: Logged |
freebrainstorms
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posted March 15, 2011 01:03 AM
ehhh well i was really close to the female friend at that point and she'd spill out all her side of the relationship drama to me, and having the aqua perspective that i do, i'd kind of counsel her on it and explain his thinking to her and then when they broke up i was still really close with her and it just got kind of weird around my male friend because we used to hang out as a group a lot and not just him and i.
**** happens, but we're back to being close friends, and i'm still friends with that cancer friend as well. s'all good. heheIP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted March 15, 2011 04:25 PM
Oh i see. Ah, so you and this cancer do get along then.I'm hanging out with my aqua friend tomorrow, who has a cancer moon-----otherwise I don't think i could handle having another aqua friend. IP: Logged |
SpooL
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posted March 16, 2011 02:29 AM
This is an interesting topic, my good Aquarian female friend is currently with a Cancer, what you mentioned is accurate to a certain degree, I hear all the problems all the time. But there is a twist because both of them
has something the other needs , so it gets complicated. Her sister is a Gemini and being a Gemini also, we always joke "you never know with those two" However, she always gives me the Aquarian resilience on the situation
Both my parents are Cancers, so I can concur with what she says and what you've said RunAroundScreaming quote:
I've had three air signs stop talking to me because of this, and I really am like that.
I've always had the "you scratch my back, all scratch your back with Aquarians" and exchanged assistance with them. For example the Aquarian female I was talking about needing help moving from her apartment and I was the only person available at the time, so I gave her a hand. Then I needed some help, won't go into details from her later and she gave me a hand. If anything it's the debates that will have me stop talking to an Aquarian, especially when there stubborn in a debate. ----------------------------------------
Capircorn Rising
Gemini Sun, 5th House
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Mercury in Gemini
Venus In Taurus
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GrlyGirl20
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posted March 16, 2011 02:36 AM
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The reason I'm having trouble with your threads is because you ask questions where the answer is deeper than just sunsigns but you don't seem to see that. Take the Aries vs. Virgo one: did you ever think that there are other influences that make people the way the are other than the suns. Virgos are not particularly known for their emotions but if you throw in some water in their charts, that can change everything. Cancers who chose Aries does not automatically mean they go together like peanut butter and jelly, but maybe those cancers have fire in their charts....or the aries they chose happened to have alot of pisces/taurus.
BM you took the words right out of my mouth...I wanted to say this when I posted before but my lack of ability to form a sentence after doing more applications prevented me from doing so lol. But I agree...people are MUCH more than their signs. At the end of the day personal experiences, and placements of houses etc greatly influence someone. I am a COMPLETE example of that. A typical Cancer Sun/Asc and Mars could be thought of as being an emotional baby. But everything of mine is Conjunct and in the 1st. Plus I have a Leo Mercury...and my Mars/Sun/Uranus aspects to Uranus lend me some (at least when I'm not in the middle of a Pluto Square Moon obsession lol) detachment. So not everyone is the same. That is why I made the point about the Aqua I dated...he wouldn't be friends with me...and was an emotional baby about EVERYTHING. Is it because he's an Aqua...no its just because he is immature and screwed up. He has a Virgo Moon Trine my Moon and Conjunct my IC, Venus and Asc in Cap Conjunct my Moon...so despite him being an Aqua we did get along due to similar type of chart. Plus with him his Sun was the ONLY Air sign in his chart and water was prominent in his chart...which is similar to me. On a side note does anyone remember a while ago when there was a person who posted here that used to take everything personal...she also had a Leo Moon...is this RunAround? Freebrainstorms did the Aqua and Cancer ever end up friends? Or was he unwilling to be friends with her due to being fed up (although most Aqua's I know would have gotten over it and been a friend). Also I'm willing to bet you the differences were there natuarally with her being a Cancer and him an Aqua...but they were even made WORSE by the fact that he had a Leo Moon and her a Cap Moon. They are on total opposite ends of the spectrum. I am a Cap Moon and my roommate is a Leo Moon and despite the fact that it is Conjunct my Mer I still find her to be SOOO freaking annoying and drama filled. IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted March 16, 2011 02:37 AM
Hey! Welcome to the thread lol. Glad to have someone bring the topic back to life. Yayness. Now I can get more info on the differences between air and water, and possibly fire and water.So, let's see....are you saying that air signs like relationships that are like that...you scratch my back I'll scratch yours? Is that why the whole babying thing doesn't sit well with you guys? IP: Logged |
freebrainstorms
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posted March 16, 2011 11:59 AM
No they still aren't friends, they usually just ignore each other or are super polite when they're at mutual gatherings.The Aqua is waay more awkward about their relationship, but that's pretty much because he was a dick to the cancer when they broke up, and now the if i tell the cancer that he's going to be there too, she just goes "meh, whatever." If there's something where Aqua knows she's going to be there, he usually doesn't show and makes some excuse. IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted March 16, 2011 12:42 PM
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[B}On a side note does anyone remember a while ago when there was a person who posted here that used to take everything personal...she also had a Leo Moon[/B]
Ahahahaha. I love Leo Moons (Mine is Saggy so that's probably why). Actually it's the only Leo placement I can tolerate being around for long periods of time, but this is SO true. 
The my longest relationship was with someone with an Aqua sun and Leo Moon. And I just met another one recently too! Love it!
Anyway.... I think the most common signs my Cancer friends have been with is Capricorn, Leo, and Pisces.
I actually can see with Cancer and Leo would work WAY better than Aqua. Side-by-side signs are different but usually they are sympathetic and have a couple planets in the other if they are lucky. Qx is just like completely opposite in all manners and they don't even want to work on it for the most part unless there is good axis or moon/jupiters at play.
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GrlyGirl20
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posted March 16, 2011 01:12 PM
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No they still aren't friends, they usually just ignore each other or are super polite when they're at mutual gatherings.
The Aqua is waay more awkward about their relationship, but that's pretty much because he was a dick to the cancer when they broke up, and now the if i tell the cancer that he's going to be there too, she just goes "meh, whatever." If there's something where Aqua knows she's going to be there, he usually doesn't show and makes some excuse.
Freebrain: Really? So his awkwardness is due to feeling guilty with how he treated her? He can just apologize and then move on and be normal around her. That is EXACTLY the way my Aqua ex is with me...I could care aless if I'm around him. He on the other hand has felt "awkward" around me yet can't tell me why (due to his cryptic Pisces Mercury). I broke up with him drunk, and then wanted to get back together when I was sober, but he didn't want to get together. But I know he liked me at least as a person as I was insanely nice to him when he said he wanted to be just friends (like I'm the only person out of his friends who gave him a b-day gift and grad gift) so then why can't he be cool and normal and treat me like everyone else. Do you think they will ever be cool? I don't understand why he is being strange especially when she doesn't care. Or does he know she doesn't care. Even with my Aqua ex I grew to really care for him (his mom and dad were alcoholics and verbally abused him...plus as an undergrad I was a psych major so that's explanation enough lol). so its kinda hurtful that he wouldn't even want to remain friendly with me...plus I'm a rare Cancer in that I stay friends with exes a la my 11th house Venus Sun/Mars Uranus/Jupiter Aspects. **I'm totally gaining info from you like your Cancer friend did lol... Regarding Cancers and Leos getting along...I think that my moon and the lack of pretense I have makes it VERY difficult for me to deal with them. Often they have very big egos that are unfounded on nothing or at least I think so. Plus they brag alot, personally I know I'm really good at some things and I don't feel the need to broadcast it everywhere as I don't need someone to tell me how amazing I am lol. You are right that quinx signs find it hard to get along, and side by side signs can get along. I had a Gemini friend who had her Mars in Cap Venus in Cancer, Aries Moon, and Leo Rising. I'm a Cancer Sun/Asc/Mars in 1st, Cap Moon in 7th, Taurus Venus in 11th and Leo Mercury. We were pretty well matched and stayed best friends for 5 years until she moved away after graduation. As far as with this Aqua we had opposite Rising signs (him in Cap, me Cancer), My Moon in Cap was Conjunct his Rising/Venus and IC, we had Trined moons, his Moon ruiling planet (Mercury) touched my Asc/Sun/and Mars, My Sun and Mars was Conjunct his DSC, and his Venus was conjunct my Dsc. Also we had Moon/Venus/Mercury Jupiter aspects. And finally his Moon completed a Grand Trine with my Venus/Moon, and my Sun/Mars completed a Grand Trine with his Mercury and Pluto. So I really felt like we were pretty well matched so I still feel like I lost a potential good friend in my life (and yes there would be some friction) as we had DW Sun/Venus aspects (Opp and Square)...but overall he could be someone I cared for deeply. I actually find that I have alot of Aqua friends BUT usually they have something in water or earth...I don't have Pisces friends. They are too exhausting as I typically feel like I have to guess at what they mean (in fact water signs leave me baffled as they don't communicate with words). I do love Caps, Aries and Virgo's. Bluegray what are your aspects by any chance? You're a Sag Moon but what is your Sun? IP: Logged |
blugrey
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posted March 16, 2011 02:52 PM
I have like 7 oppositions between Gemini/Sag and Cancer/Capricorn. lol I am Gemini Sun(1H)/Sag Moon(7H). I get along with Cancer excellently most like thanks to my 3 and 4th houses in Cancer and my Mars is Cancer too. Cancers are just lovely for me to be around and they usually make my lost child heart feel safe and warm. So there are downsides to them, but I feel it is worth that. I also have a Taurus Rising so I do get along with Taurus's well though I do not know many and usually I'm not attracted to them AT ALL relationship wise. But I could see it working out. But as for Cancer - I think if that Leo was tempered down by something, it wouldn't be too bad. Dunno... I just feel like Leo is the ultimate protector (at a cost to those protected of course) and I feel like Cancer doesn't mind giving people an ego boost. -shrug-
My Cancer Best friend has: Cancer Sun Cancer Moon Cancer Merc Gemini Venus Libra Mars.
My Cancer ex had Cancer Sun Cancer Moon Leo Merc Gemini Venus Cancer Mars Me: Gemini Sun Sag Moon Gemini Merc Gemini Venus Cancer Mars IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted March 16, 2011 06:04 PM
Im an Aqua dating a Cancer and its fine because we are both generally laid back. excpet rught now he's kind of mad at me because we're on vacation and his idea of vacation is walking around everywhere and doing lots of things when all I want to do is relax. He's mad that I don't feel like going out today and I'm not even making him stay inside (our friend is with us so it's not like he'd be walking around by himself). He also generally never let's me do what I want to do (in my experience Cancer Suns tend to be bossy and protective, like a parent).IP: Logged |
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posted March 16, 2011 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
(in my experience Cancer Suns tend to be bossy and protective, like a parent).
Yes, I dated a guy with Cancer ASC. he was totally paternal and bossy... IP: Logged |
RunAroundScreaming
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posted March 16, 2011 09:51 PM
I'm Trying to understand where he's coming from here..myabe he thinks it's inconsiderate of you and would want you both to take turns compromising with each other.IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted March 16, 2011 10:26 PM
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Regarding Cancers and Leos getting along...I think that my moon and the lack of pretense I have makes it VERY difficult for me to deal with them. Often they have very big egos that are unfounded on nothing or at least I think so. Plus they brag alot, personally I know I'm really good at some things and I don't feel the need to broadcast it everywhere as I don't need someone to tell me how amazing I am lol.
Lets just say Geminis are alot less of a chore for me to get along with than Leos. The latter is way too high maintenence, bossy, and yes...pretentious, for my tastes. I shake my head whenever I'm attracted to Leo Mars because there's always a HUGE downside to that. Geminis, on the otherhand, are very chill to hang out with in my experience.
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posted March 16, 2011 11:32 PM
[/B] quote:
From my POV I've always found that Cancer Mooners have fit the negative stereotype more than any other cancer placement. One example: I had a neighbor who was so co-dependent that he still lives with in his mother's house with no job and no intention of even going to college to better himself. Point blank: he's a leech. He's so co-dependent that he was purposely crapping his pants so his mother could change him until he was 9 years old just because he could (yeah, I've known him that long). That's pretty much what I'm talking about when I speak of the 'life ethic' of this placement. I just don't get it.
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You're sure that what you said above has nothing to do with other factors in the chart?? Im moon in Cancer conjunct the MC and I'm very independant and a workaholic!(am trying to control this)
I'm very strong emotionaly and don't like whinning and moodiness at all. Life is short and sadness alone won't pay ur bills! Lol
I'm very approachable if someone needs to talk and people usually trust me secrets out of nowhere!
I like some poetry,including writing it and the emotions words can stir up on you...
Drama for me only infused with a great sense of humor! 
I do love children and children love me back, love to cook and eat lol,and I'm very affectionate with people in general, working collegs, friends, aquantancies...but never cling. Most times They ask me to hang out and I just give excuses not to. I love loneliness at some point and to go with the flow brings me better results than to make plans to meet when I'm not in the mood.
I'm a social butterfly or a lone wolf howling by the moon! But I do genuinely care for people no matter what race or cultural beliefs! More unusal the better lol I'd never live on someone else's money,I go to the cinema alone when I could take friends, I'm not in a relationship if I'm not dying for the man and I do not regret,I can't fall in love easy either. For a Moon in cancer I'm very self sufficient indeed! I'm Sun in Taurus, Ascendant Libra, Venus in Aries in the 6House,Saturn in the 10H, Uranus in scorpio in the 1stH... I'm a free spirit! IP: Logged |
freebrainstorms
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posted March 17, 2011 01:10 AM
Yeah I mean he's somewhat awkward in general but he just kind let the relationship die out and ignored her until it just kind of dissolved. I'm pretty sure he knows she doesn't care, but at he time he was with her she cared about everything deeply, so I think he just feels really badly about hurting her.In regards to your situation, maybe he cared a great deal more about you than my friend did about my other friend? I don't know, but I know he is only still really good friends with the girlfriend he was really really really serious with, and he hasn't stayed in touch with the other couple of my friends he's dated. I don't know what it is in his chart that would effect that, his mars is in aries? IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20
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posted March 17, 2011 09:00 AM
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Yeah I mean he's somewhat awkward in general but he just kind let the relationship die out and ignored her until it just kind of dissolved. I'm pretty sure he knows she doesn't care, but at the time he was with her she cared about everything deeply, so I think he just feels really badly about hurting her.In regards to your situation, maybe he cared a great deal more about you than my friend did about my other friend? I don't know, but I know he is only still really good friends with the girlfriend he was really really really serious with, and he hasn't stayed in touch with the other couple of my friends he's dated. I don't know what it is in his chart that would effect that, his mars is in aries?
Actually this is EXACTLY like him. He is facebook friends with the ex of three years (he used to not be until like September). He is not good friends with her. In fact it seems like he isn't good friends with ANY exes except the ones he is over or did not have any feelings for. I know he wouldn't talk to the ex of three years for over a year after he found out she was engaged and deleted her from facebook. But some other exes he stayed facebook friends with and it wasn't awkward for him as they are even dating other friends. My Aqua ex also has Mars in Aries. To be honest I kinda think is an Aries Mars things from what I've seen. From the sounds of it my Aqua ex probably cared as much about me as your Aqua friend did for his Cancer ex. I think he knows he hurt me, but I don't think I'd ever get an apology from him nor do I think I'll ever talk to him. And looking back now maybe that is why he wouldn't reply to even a Facebook message he was trying to dissolve things. As you can tell I'm insanely positive about everything BUT how much someone cares for me. I just tend to take the stance that he (let alone most of the jerks I've dated) never cared for me. Plus with your friend...maybe he is awkward because he feels bad about how things went down. I don't know about you...but when I've been an @ss towards someone and they aren't a terrible person I feel terrible...imagine being that way when you are around friends. You would constantly be reminded of how much of a jerk you were to someone nice...plus think about it why would anyone want to be around someone who doesn't like them. Why would he want to deal with her when he knows she thinks he is slime...I personally would avoid someone I know doesn't like me. Plus it depends what were his other placements are? And did he have ANY water? Another thing to remember is my Aqua ex has a Venus Neptune Conjunction and Sextile Pluto so his ability to care about people is certainly there maybe moreso than your friend. Also I wondered if the lack of staying friend was due to the Venus Pluto aspect. I have the Opposition by sign and Inconjunct by aspect and I can't stay friends when I still care. Otherwise I can. IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20
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posted March 17, 2011 12:09 PM
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I'd never live on someone else's money,I go to the cinema alone when I could take friends, I'm not in a relationship if I'm not dying for the man and I do not regret,I can't fall in love easy either. For a Moon in cancer I'm very self sufficient indeed
I think Cancer Placements...and in fact all placements are dependant upon free will. ALSO we have to take into consideration the home life for any sign. Even the most compassionate placements (like Pisces Sun and Moon for example) could end up in a home that is abusive and end up a killer (I know this is extreme) but anyway the point I'm getting at is what if these "extreme" Cancers or Aquariuses or whatever sign were raised in homes that just suck and they flat out don't know how to be a good person. IP: Logged |
Benedict Moon*
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posted March 17, 2011 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by filly:
[/B] You're sure that what you said above has nothing to do with other factors in the chart??Im moon in Cancer conjunct the MC and I'm very independant and a workaholic!(am trying to control this)
I'm very strong emotionaly and don't like whinning and moodiness at all. Life is short and sadness alone won't pay ur bills! Lol
I'm very approachable if someone needs to talk and people usually trust me secrets out of nowhere!
I like some poetry,including writing it and the emotions words can stir up on you...
Drama for me only infused with a great sense of humor!
I do love children and children love me back, love to cook and eat lol,and I'm very affectionate with people in general, working collegs, friends, aquantancies...but never cling. Most times They ask me to hang out and I just give excuses not to. I love loneliness at some point and to go with the flow brings me better results than to make plans to meet when I'm not in the mood.
I'm a social butterfly or a lone wolf howling by the moon! But I do genuinely care for people no matter what race or cultural beliefs! More unusal the better lol I'd never live on someone else's money,I go to the cinema alone when I could take friends, I'm not in a relationship if I'm not dying for the man and I do not regret,I can't fall in love easy either. For a Moon in cancer I'm very self sufficient indeed! I'm Sun in Taurus, Ascendant Libra, Venus in Aries in the 6House,Saturn in the 10H, Uranus in scorpio in the 1stH... I'm a free spirit!
Well, free will is everything...I just tend to have frequent issues with this moon placement. I guess the Sun/Moon conjunction isn't for people like me.
OT...my venus is in air, but I still find water men to be most beautiful (even if some of them are really f%cked up). Does my dispositor really *that* important? Hmmmm.... IP: Logged |
freebrainstorms
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posted March 17, 2011 04:34 PM
Umm I think you may have misinterpreted what I was saying, I perfectly understand why my friend's awkward, and therefore it really doesn't bother me. I'm not confused about it or asking for advice on it, I was just answering what people were asking me about it. Good luck with your Aqua dude.IP: Logged |
GrlyGirl20
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posted March 17, 2011 07:28 PM
LOL no Freebrain I wasn't saying why your friend was being awkward...I was talking out loud as saying maybe he was acting strange and that my situation could be the same and the reasons for it. I know you weren't getting advice lol...I was getting it from you. Sorry to have sounded like I was saying that. I thought it was pretty clear that I literally was grasping at straws with my Aqua ex...and I was using your friends situation as sort of a model for mine (if that makes sense) and that he did what he did because he didn't care (similar to your Aqua friend not caring for that ex he had). IP: Logged |
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