posted March 14, 2011 01:19 AM            

---said by an aquarius woman on a forum

I've had three air signs stop talking to me because of this, and I really am like that.

posted March 14, 2011 03:26 AM            

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wonder how the other signs react to it, especially fire signs. I've never had a fire sign tell me anything like that

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I'll try to answer this. I have an Aries Sun.

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we start losing interest when the Cancers complain too much about the littlest of things or talk too much about the hurt they’ve experienced (We don’t like it when the conversation starts to always be about the past & what who did what to them).

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I don't mind people complaining about things, because sh*t happens in everyone's life. I think it is normal to complain sometimes.
What bothers me is when they seem so dramatic about it - not just Cancer Suns, but also other Cancer-influenced people. There is a feeling/vibe that they can't see a light at the end of the tunnel - that they cannot find a solution to the problem, that they refuse to move on from the problem.
That's what gets upsetting ^
I have problems myself and I do talk about them, but I'm not that pessimistic. I try to work out ways to resolve the problem, instead of crying about it. I try to move on. Then, in time - new problems come up and so forth - such is life.
But sometimes Cancers get stuck on ONE particular problem and it goes on and on - It becomes draining.

This isn't always the case btw... It depends...
I mean some Cancer have air/fire in their charts and that generates optimism.

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We start to lose interest when we can sense being used for strength

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I have felt this way on three occasions with people who had Moon/Venus in Cancer, but never with people who have a Cancer Sun. I find Cancer Sun people consume themselves emotionally -- but they don't rely on others much. They're -almost- emotionally self-sufficient. They only rely on people very close to them like their S/O.

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we don’t mind giving advice & helping someone, but we don’t like it when we can sense desperation for love & for understanding because it’s a sign of weakness & we start to question rather or not that Cancer or person is in the friendship with us because we are their shield or because we can BOTH do things for each other mutually

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Yeah - again... I've felt this way with Moon/Venus in Cancer, but not Cancer Sun people.
With my ex-friend (Cancer Moon&Mercury), this was not just emotional support - it was also financial. I was buying her food almost daily and paying for everything whenever we went out.
I've never had such experiences with Cancer Sun people.

posted March 14, 2011 08:51 AM            

Secondly, RunAround I wonder what the Moon signs of the Cancers you are dealing with…in fact I wonder what are the Moon signs of all the Cancers all you guys are dealing with. The Moon GREATLY modifies a Cancer. Just like the Venus placement greatly modifies a Taurus or Libra Rising.

For me I have a Cap Moon…so I am unemotional. In fact, my own Pisces Sun/Aqua Moon/Mars mom claims that I have no feelings. I will not go that far as I do feel deeply, however it is not always the right time and place to come out with those feelings and emotions. Same as in friendship, I don’t lean on any of my friends at all emotionally. In terms of Aqua’s the only ones I have been unable to deal with are three guys and one female (out of a lot of Agua friends I have and some exes I have that are Aqua Moons). The two guys had the same birth date and we had ONLY of Squares in our synastry (which never makes for understanding no matter your sign). In addition, we had incompatible moons (as in me Cap…them Sag…again no matter the Sun sign not good in the long run). With the female it wasn’t that we didn’t get along…she just annoyed me. Plus she had a Scorp Moon so years later we ended up pretty cool. The last Aqua is a guy I dated is the one who I guess got annoyed with me or just decided he didn‘t care for me at all. In fact, ALL our issues happened after breaking up if you believe it (I actually broke up with him...drunkly though).

I have a Cap Moon...so my number one mantra is even if you don't want to deal with me or hate me I'd rather know without a doubt (as in from your mouth) rather than have to guess and 2nd guess myself.

The last Aqua and I we were similar astrologically. With this Aqua in particular he was a Cap Rising and Venus, Pisces Mercury with Moon in Virgo and Mars in Aries. I'm a Cancer Asc/Sun/Mars in first with Cap Moon in 7th (Conjunct both his Rising and Venus…so this is why I was more emotional with him), Taurus Venus in 11th, and Leo Mercury. Therefore, I am not some clinging vine. With him, I was emotional and I expressed WHY I was. He didn’t tell me that I was too clingy ever or to back off or even that he needed space. In fact, ALL along he would just agree with me on things (again this is due to his Pisces Mercury) such as we could try to be friends. I of course thinking we are friends invite him and his friends to parties we had and he would get all weird and say he couldn‘t be friends or that things were awkward between us. As a Venus in the 11th I am a MUCH better friend than girlfriend in general (and I typically have no issues with the Aqua’s I do end up with as friends)…so it boggled my mind that things were awkward between us. I tried to get him to explain exactly what he meant. His Pisces Mercury couldn’t.

When we were trying to be friends, I had expressed the reason why I was holding onto him. That I grew to care very deeply for him, and that he was the first person who seemed to truly care about me…minus any other gunk (as in getting something from me romantically or sexually). I know Cancers, and I will agree that quite a few of them are not honest about why they want someone in their lives. It might just be because they need the emotional support from like anyone who is willing to give it. However, with him I thought that it could be mutual emotional support between us both. For instance, he’d get a bad grade on a test and I’d do what I do with everyone I know. Say like, "hey you’ll do better next time," or that if he studies more than he can do better (a cap gives adivce on what you can do to improve things). No biggie right…well he criticized me and said that I was too positive and that he was used to people telling him to suck less or that he was a piece of crap and to do better next time (he was only used to hearing negative things about himself). I don’t call anyone that no matter who they are.

posted March 14, 2011 08:53 AM            

I am very straightforward and not moody (the Moon rules emotions). So with me someone will get someone who is honest about what I think and feel as I try for the most part to treat people the way I want to be treated. Plus RunAround a young Cancer will be pretty bad about the clinging stuff…I‘m 25 so my maturity has made me realize that I‘ve played a part in things with the past Aqua‘s relationship that ended (one occurred when I was a teenager like 16, the other when I was 21). With me 99.9% of people I know...don't know much about me. And I do not go into deep emotional things. In fact my Libra roommate who has a Scorp Venus cries ALL the time and it freaks me out. Because so many times you can just be cool about things and deal with them rationally.

With him it was I viewed him as weak because he couldn't ever be an adult and just admit when he did wrong (not just with me...but with others...so much to the point that he lost his friends of 5 years in the process because he not only was super negative and complained like no one's business but he and also never looked at when he did something wrong). In fact he gave me an example of when he threw a party at a friends house and pretty much trashed his place. Not only did he NOT apologize...he did it because he was a wuss about it. I asked him why didn’t he call up the friend and apologize; his reason was that what if his friend answers the phone and then hangs up (which again no one over the age of 10 does but whatever). Of course me being the 1st house Mars I am...if you've done wrong...be honorable and admit it. Say your sorry...leave a message...show that you are sorry for the wrong you've done regardless if someone talks to you or not. At least you’ve taken responsibility for what you’ve done (again big buzzword for a Cap lol).

In fact the thing I hated most about him is he was not straightforward (and I'm a first house Mars/Sun and Leo Mercury...he is a Pisces Mercury...you can see why we had MAJOR communication issues). I do agree that I did talk about the past with him but its more that he wronged me and never apologized. And then when it seemed like all was ok with us...as in I was trying to be a friend and if I even didn’t talk about the past or anything emotional he would p*ussy out on me and then get all uber emotional and say he couldn‘t be friends or something along those lines. Like we would have a great convo I wasn't being clingy or so he thought and we were making leeway as friends. And then all of a sudden he’d get weird.

I don't care what sign you are but its not ok to assume that just because time has passed you are cool (which to be honest I've seen more in Pisces people than Aqua's they will just lay low for a while...and hope you get over being upset with them). He accepted gifts from me (which were given because I thought we were friends…and I give presents to my friends on special days), told me I was amazing and all this other gunk just to stop talking to me and delete me from facebook when he moved away (keep in mind I was the only person to give him a graduation present and birthday gift even out of his friends) and I did nothing. I tried to treat him the way I wanted to be treated. The only thing I didn't like was how he didn't want to remain friends. I have an 11th house Venus so its one thing to not want to date me its another to not want to remain friendly with me.

No matter the sign that's just bad practice and dishonorable. And I always look at it this way...no matter what I did I never criticized him nor laid out how much of a jerk he was. All the other Aquarians I've dealt with are straightforward and pretty ethical...as in if they don't like you as a person or friend or whatever they won't even accept a gift from you. But with him he was some over emotional baby. And moody as hell.

posted March 14, 2011 08:58 AM            

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I am a Cancer moon and Mars. Aqua irritates me more than ANY sign.
I can feel it a mile away

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No offense Ami as I adore you...but Cancer Moon and Mars people annoy me to no end, AND I'm a Cancer Sun/Mars and Asc.

They are so freaking clingy which doesn't bother me so much, as the fact that you have to tiptoe around their feelings. It's just exhausting! You can never just be straightforward with them. Plus in my experience a lot of Cancers (Pure Cancer types as in the Moon..or Sun in Cancer with a Moon also in water) are kinda users and emotional vampires (but I kinda feel this way about all the water signs).

I think my house placements and my Moon save me. As in the other Cancer Mars people I know are kinda babies about everything. And Cancer Mars being so weak the house placement is impertive as in its the only way you can be saved by the overwhelming emotions lol (my mars being in the 1st gives it accidental dignity). I wish BM would reply here...she is another Cancer who isn't a typical Cancer (as far as what they say)...and I know that she loves Aqua Moons (as do I for the most part).

I kinda wish that people would look at Cancers (and all signs actually) and see that there isnt a "typical" Cancer. Just like there is no "typical" Aqua. People are different. And I personally don't ascribe the differnces between people and why they don't get along because of Sun signs. But hey...people are different than myself.

posted March 14, 2011 01:08 PM            

I also think that ALL signs have depth - Air signs just simply prefer to keep that part of themselves to their insides. Most people cannot keep up with our minds so it might seem like we are talking about nothing at all and skipping and jumping ahead - but when we say one thing lightly it's not because we don't feel deeply about it or that it's just a joke, but we express what we feel deeply as a joke to take the pressure off ourselves and the people around us.

Sometimes to me it's not the repetitive nature of the conversation with someone who has a lot of water (Esp. the Merc) but simply their to constantly put to words what can be inferred. It's not that they just say "I'm sad" but that they must detail it and keep talking about it when it's unnecessary - and to be honest, this comes off as fake and/or clingy to us because it's like they are seeking attention for it and want to sit around and wallow instead of doing something about it.

When my Aqua friend says something lightly to me or jokes about feeling depressed - I can just simply read that to be what they are really feeling, even if they are smiling at the moment. It's hard to explain, but air signs just keep everything in our heads for the most part unless we have a some placements of fire or water. So I try to cheer them up.

posted March 14, 2011 01:53 PM            

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I have felt this way on three occasions with people who had Moon/Venus in Cancer, but never with people who have a Cancer Sun. I find Cancer Sun people consume themselves emotionally -- but they don't rely on others much. They're -almost- emotionally self-sufficient. They only rely on people very close to them like their S/O.

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From my POV I've always found that Cancer Mooners have fit the negative stereotype more than any other cancer placement. One example: I had a neighbor who was so co-dependent that he still lives with in his mother's house with no job and no intention of even going to college to better himself. Point blank: he's a leech. He's so co-dependent that he was purposely crapping his pants so his mother could change him until he was 9 years old just because he could (yeah, I've known him that long). That's pretty much what I'm talking about when I speak of the 'life ethic' of this placement. I just don't get it.

Back to the topic: I generally get along with Geminis and Aquas just fine. Its libra that gets up my crawl for many reasons including (here's the shocker): their neediness and clinginess. And no, its not in the same way as the water neediness, but do you have any idea how annoying it is when someone needs approval or validation from other people 24/7? In my experience THEY are the clinging vines, amongst alot of other not-so-nice things.

posted March 14, 2011 02:03 PM            

I also know an aries with cap moon and another with virgo moon and the best way i could describe them is as sweethearts. They are just not hateful of emotions like the air suns up there.

I am confused when ppl say to not go by sun sign astrology because astrology is about generalizations and if u dont want to admit that then why even use astrology. The beauty of these geberalizations is that they work. Air signs come off as kinda cold, they hate admitting their vulnerabilities, and are very playful and light-hearted.

Ami Anne "I feel you!"
Hahaha. Aqua and cancer placements really dont get along. For example, my best friend's mercury in aqua and mine in cancer. Oh my gosh, it is so chilly. I've also dealt with other mercury in aquas and---same. Brrrr.

posted March 14, 2011 05:15 PM            

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Girlygirl Maybe it's just you. I know a virgo with cap moon and he is pretty darn emotional. I know a cancer with taurus moon and she is also very emotional. I know a libra with taurus moon and though he is emotional, he doesnt show that side to him with anyone except for his close family members. I know a gemini with virgo moon and he hates being emotional but he is inside. I know a gemini with leo moon---also hates admitting vulnerabilities though he's very sweet, but also a know-it-all as are all aur signs. I know an aqua with scorpio moon, another with aqua moon and aqua mercury, and two aquas with cancer moon and they are all emotional especially the one with aqua moon but she is always fighting off her emotions. The cancer moon ones are most like cancers and they can be clingy and need to babied etc just like cancers but ALL of them and i mean all of them, whether emotional or not just do not like talking about their vulnerabilities.
I also know an aries with cap moon and another with virgo moon and the best way i could describe them is as sweethearts. They are just not hateful of emotions like the air suns up there.

I am confused when ppl say to not go by sun sign astrology because astrology is about generalizations and if u dont want to admit that then why even use astrology. The beauty of these geberalizations is that they work. Air signs come off as kinda cold, they hate admitting their vulnerabilities, and are very playful and light-hearted.

Ami Anne "I feel you!"
Hahaha. Aqua and cancer placements really dont get along. For example, my best friend's mercury in aqua and mine in cancer. Oh my gosh, it is so chilly. I've also dealt with other mercury in aquas and---same. Brrrr.

Uh-oh, wait, watch out, someone's gonna say---"Don't mercury sign stereotype!"

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Well a Cap Moon is the same...I think I said that actually amongst my SUPER long post lol. I am emotional (maybe emotional isn't the right word but I am sensitive to things) don't get me wrong. BUT there is a time and place to be emotional and not all situations call for one to be emotional. Plus I HATE to be vulnerable as well.

In fact I agree with bluegrey that alot of Water sign influenced people...minus Scorpio influenced people (they are the anti clingers to me) they tend to harp on something and aren't open to fixing things (But I see this especially with the Mercury...and in Cancer Moons)

To me I will talk about something but I want there to be an end result and for some resolution to happen.

I will agree with BM about getting along with Gemini's and Aquas...its Libra that annoy me as well (despite the 7th house moon). They do need constant approval from EVERYONE and again its more the Sun's and Moons that get me. The Libra Venus I know are VERY shallow...but I can deal with that lol. Plus its kinda annoying when someone NEEDS to be in a relationship just because they can't be alone (again I have a 7th house moon so I get it...but still its annoying lol).

posted March 14, 2011 06:13 PM            

It's like they havent learned the meaning of this:

“The three hardest tasks in the world are neither physical
feats nor intellectual
achievements, but moral
acts: to return love for hate,
to include the excluded, and
to say, "I was wrong".” -sydney j harris

posted March 14, 2011 06:25 PM            

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Anyway, you're stereotyping right NOW by saying i as a cancer mercury am sensitive lol.

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posted March 14, 2011 06:55 PM            

Again I'm hoping you can follow me...I don't want to get to the point where you are confused. Then I made the point that lets say for instance a Gemini mercury or a more detached mercury would have glossed things and wouldn't have made the side comments that you made (they don't care enough to typically). Hopefully I have broken down things as I don't want you to be confused by what I was saying.

posted March 14, 2011 07:24 PM            

And the double Libra with the Sag Ascendant that I fell out with? She was annoyingly sensitive to my criticism, and very emotionally explosive) when you caught her on an inconsistency. Culprit? Sun conjunct Moon (and pretty much any sun/moon hard aspect) makes anyone emotionally volatile. Or I'm rather sensitive to their behavior as a Cancer Sun.

The reason I'm having trouble with your threads is because you ask questions where the answer is deeper than just sunsigns but you don't seem to see that. Take the Aries vs. Virgo one: did you ever think that there are other influences that make people the way the are other than the suns. Virgos are not particularly known for their emotions but if you throw in some water in their charts, that can change everything. Cancers who chose Aries does not automatically mean they go together like peanut butter and jelly, but maybe those cancers have fire in their charts....or the aries they chose happened to have alot of pisces/taurus.

Also, you're a Leo Moon, correct? Do you think maybe because your sun and moon are in mutual reception (in eachother's normal resting places) you sometimes more heavily identify with your sun than most other cancers? This is not a stab at all, just an observation to think on.

Sun sign interpretaions do work...to a point. That point is different for everyone. You may have one Cancer who is needy but not particularly moody or sensitive, and another who's moody but not particularly needy. I know a Cancer Sun/Cancer Mars who is jealous, possessive, but wants lots of independence for himself....his moon is in sagittarius.

What seperates real astrology from pop astrology is that the former has more answers. Though astrology doesn't really answer everything either.