posted March 23, 2011 03:37 PM            

Prediction of death is believed to be the most difficult part of astrology. But if ancient rules of Suryasiddhantic Ganita and Phalita of BPHS (Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra) &c are strictly followed, it is not difficult. We have analyzed a lot of celebrities' horoscopes whose birth time and death time were well known,. We are presenting concise samples here, details may be seen by downloading Kundalee and using it.
Abbreviations : D1= Bhaava chalita kundali, D9 = navaamsha kundali, D30 = trinsaamsha kundali.
http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Prediction+of+Death

Death in the Horoscope: James Kim (Progressions)
Death in the Horoscope: James Kim (Progressions)

December 11, 2006 by admin

One of my astrological interests has long been determining death in the chart; many other astrologers (and people in general) prefer not to go there. This may have to do with our modern attitude toward death. We are simply not very comfortable with it. And yet, it is a huge part of life, and I feel is best to come to terms with it sooner rather than later. This is one reason why I have been very interested in the chart of James Kim, the Californian who died in Oregon a few weeks ago, while trying to get help for his stranded family. Specifically, I wanted to understand exactly what it was in his chart that would show such an unfortunate fate.

Last week, I looked at potential influences in his natal horoscope, and today, I will look at what was going on in his progressed chart, which is simply the natal horoscope moved forward to a specific point in time. That point will have been the approximate date of death. http://gryphonastrology.com/blog/2006/12/11/death-in-the-horoscope-james-kim-progressions/

A lot of astrologers won't discuss the timing of a death, or will only do so hesitantly. I can certainly understand that: it's not a pleasant subject, and tends to clash with the "love and light" glamour that many of us (myself included) want to cast all over a consultation. And no one wants to be accused of encouraging morbid thoughts, or of putting those thoughts into some one's head. But still... if astrology really can predict major life events, shouldn't we be able to predict this one? Isn't death a major life event?

posted March 23, 2011 04:20 PM            

James Kim’s death is shocking and tragic, and it stands as a harsh reminder of the dangers of untamed nature. When an astrologer sees a tragically early death such as this one, the inevitable question always arises: Could an early death be located in James Kim’s natal horoscope? The answer is yes, and ancient astrologers spent much of their time doing just that, looking for death in all manner of birth charts. People, and especially children, up to a hundred years ago in the West, and still in many places today, often died unexpectedly and prematurely. As a result, many parents wanted to know whether their children would outlive infancy, or whether a potential wife would survive birth of any children.

Below is James Kim’s horoscope set for Louisville, Kentucky, for noon. I do not have the precise time of James Kim’s birth, and noon charts are quite satisfactory when it comes to public events. However, if you have a reliable source for his time of birth, do let me know.

Indicators of an Early Death in James Kim’s Horoscope

There are several alarming factors here, none of which would be problematic on its own, but when we get to about five indicators that show health problems or threats to life, we start to worry.

First, we notice that Venus, ruler of the first house of the body, is conjunct the malefic South node, and afflicts (and is afflicted by) the Sun. The Sun, of course, is the Lord of life, and afflictions to it will often show that the individual’s grasp on life is tenuous to some degree. Second, this whole mess opposes Mars in Aquarius in the fifth house of pleasure. Mars in Aquarius is in the detriment of the Sun, so we can see that Mars, a violent planet, afflicts the Sun not only by opposition, but also by negative reception. Mars opposite Sun, especially when combined with other difficult indicators, can give us accident proneness. Aquarius signifies places that are high and wild. Given the fact that James Kim met death in the wilderness, we can see the influence of Mars in Aquarius in full force.

There are also additional indicators specific to this noon chart, so while they are helpful, they must be taken with a grain of salt. Together, however, they are quite suggestive. We notice that the Lord of the ascendant, which is the Lord of life, also rules the eighth house of death. The Moon is in the malefic sixth house; as the secondary indicator of life, this is not good. Finally, we notice that the antiscion of the Sun is conjunct the cusp of the eighth house of death. Yikes!

Prima Hyadum: The Chief of the Weeping Sisters (Pleiades)

I am also concerned about the fact that Saturn, which in this chart is placed in the eighth house of death, is conjunct Prima Hyadum, a malefic fixed star. It is of the nature of Saturn and Mercury, so one interpretation would be death (Saturn in the 8th) from journeys (Mercury). Further, it is said to give “tears, sudden events, violence, fierceness, poisoning, blindness, wounds or injuries to the head by instruments, weapons or fevers, and contradictions of fortune.” Because Saturn moves so slowly, many people have Saturn on this violent fixed star. However, Saturn’s location in the eighth house indicates that Saturn and any associated stars will describe the manner of death.

posted March 23, 2011 07:17 PM            

Ethics ? Whose ethics are those? according to which culture are they shaped and who decides who is more ethical according to what ?

You might not agree but that does not give you the right to say go get some ethics. To me, the way you come across while making your points is quiet unethical.

Anyway, death is ok with me. Whatever I have in my life beyond my control is natural to me. That does not mean though I'd like to know when I am going to die. I believe in the sea of possibilities, and where there is freewill nothing is certain. However, I also believe that it is indeed possible to make an accurate prediction. Besides knowledge, talent is a must. There should be a natural understanding of human psychology. A universal eye and an objective mind.
Strong intuition.... I read many astrologers and I can identify their personality traits; if they are positively or negatively inclined... Then I take the personal perspectives of the astrologer out and look what is left. the key words.

You do not have to be certificated to be a good astrologer.
Like arts, I believe talent makes all the difference.

Sometimes, I think one day astrology can be perceived as a religion. And as it's always the case, some people will draw borders, create dogmas... what was once free will become a prison.

Death exists. Can't deny it right. My mind is more focused on "faith" theme and more over where free will stands in the events of our lives including death.

Like in Matrix : ), can some people get out of the system and access the full power of mind which is made of God ?

How far a human can go with its granted "freewill" ?

posted March 23, 2011 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by sis:
Plutosquared, I am with you. I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you.

Ethics ? Whose ethics are those? according to which culture are they shaped and who decides who is more ethical according to what ?

You might not agree but that does not give you the right to say go get some ethics. To me, the way you come across while making your points is quiet unethical.

Anyway, death is ok with me. Whatever I have in my life beyond my control is natural to me. That does not mean though I'd like to know when I am going to die. I believe in the sea of possibilities, and where there is freewill nothing is certain. However, I also believe that it is indeed possible to make an accurate prediction. Besides knowledge, talent is a must. There should be a natural understanding of human psychology. A universal eye and an objective mind.
Strong intuition.... I read many astrologers and I can identify their personality traits; if they are positively or negatively inclined... Then I take the personal perspectives of the astrologer out and look what is left. the key words.

You do not have to be certificated to be a good astrologer.
Like arts, I believe talent makes all the difference.

Sometimes, I think one day astrology can be perceived as a religion. And as it's always the case, some people will draw borders, create dogmas... what was once free will become a prison.

Death exists. Can't deny it right. My mind is more focused on "faith" theme and more over where free will stands in the events of our lives including death.

Like in Matrix : ), can some people get out of the system and access the full power of mind which is made of God ?

How far a human can go with its granted "freewill" ?

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THANK GOODNESS sometimes people "get" where I'm coming from, and why I argue the points that I do...

posted March 24, 2011 05:27 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Back on the subject... I think the intent of the astrologer is important to talk about...

Whether or not an astrologer has a purpose to talk about death...

Are they just being mean, and trying to freak someone out?

Or, was there an important reason to mention death within the reading... perhaps their intent was to spare someone misfortune.

I think that can determine the ethics of an astrologer... his or her true intentions.

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Yes I do think there is no harm in predicting ones death in case of dire consequences.
It Is similar to a doctor who can predict death within one year or 5 years etc.
The only difference being that a doctor looks only at the physical conditions.
It is somewhat similar to hiding the outcome of death from his patient.If only he was told earlier he would have done what was to be done in terms of his loved ones security and future.
Now for example consider me-according to many astrological sources it has been shown time and again that my first born might die during or after his teens.
Yes it was quite hard on me to hear that..a prophecy. But now after coming to terms with what might happen im more stronger and im more at peace with myself..atleast i have the chance to safe guard the supposed invidual with the best of my efforts. I have the chance to atleast prolong his life for a day by being careful and cautious.Though at first it was heart breaking in the long run it seemed so wise to me.Truth no matter how bitter will always come out.I do think Truth in any form- prophecy, divination, revelation, visions or simple facts must always be welcomed.
One needs to have the courage to accept the truth irrespective of whether it is for good or bad..If at all by chance that we escape it then thank god for his miracle and move on.
In the end it is the mindset of people that has to be taken into account prior to revealing anything that might trigger something worse.One must not become obsessed with it but take it in his stride and keep doing what he has to do either way.It requires a lot of maturity and strong character to understand what a prophecy of death means to him and to his loved ones.

posted March 24, 2011 10:13 AM            

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Now for example consider me-according to many astrological sources it has been shown time and again that my first born might die during or after his teens.

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are you from India rajji?

posted March 26, 2011 01:31 AM            

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Originally posted by sis:
Henry Miller is a man I adore.
In his book " a devil in paradise" he talks about astrology a lot. According to the devil astrolog he knows, the death aspect can only be seen on one'S chart after the person dies. ( Henry Miller's books are based on true stories so the characters are are real )

As the devil astrolog says, the aspect that you search but can not locate for years, makes itself visible once the person passes away. Then it's right in front of you.

This makes me think, the way a person dies is not predestined. There are many possibilities and one catches you at some point.

What do you think ?

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I have to read what you wrote again to make sure I understand. OK, are we talking about a transiting aspect at the time of death?

posted March 26, 2011 01:50 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
HOWEVER, sometimes this means staying a step ahead... if one knows their life is in danger because of predicative astrology, they can position themselves quite carefully to endure rough periods of time, and be looking for themes of circumstances, understanding their relevant influences in relation to the planets. Having this objectivity, can allow one to handle situations better or more healthily

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posted March 26, 2011 02:03 AM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
still waiting for rajji to reply

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Yes Lala im here...I dont know if i should thank you for this offer...I thought the Thread was closed...I dint know it was moved here.

Okay ill post my chart...Just give me some time.
Ill be back.
P.S im very much from India.

posted March 26, 2011 03:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Interesting, the first time I remember receiving a very concrete no misunderstandings msg that I was still supposed to be here was in......yes it's been that long......it was in..the spring of 2004. At the time I knew that I would not die and be completely physically safe for at least 5 yrs, and this has turned out to be the case. However, the only time that felt secure was a total of 5 yrs, so that expired 2 yrs ago. And then there was a supernatural experience that I also felt guaranteed me at least 5 yrs with no physical harm, that was in the summer of 2005, it expired last yr. And I've been so busy I haven't listened to lil messages and haven't received any big ones. I don't have a 'feeling' that I will die very soon, but I do think right now that my life is teeter tottering. I don't believe that I'll live to see 50, that is a feeling that I've been having for some time now, which could explain the teeter tottering bit, because then I wouldn't be pre-middle age, I would be currently post middle age, in my 2nd half of life.

Do you read for death dates, rajji, I could post mine if that's what you mean. If you're asking about the 8th, I have the Sun there & it's the chart ruler, ruler of the 8th is Uranus in the 5th (dsc ruler), sq Sun (asc ruler).

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posted March 26, 2011 03:43 AM            

They may have been unusual probably mentally retarted!I also have chances of adopting!!(neptune in the fifth)

My children may be wild spirited Either a Genius an ecctric,fiery or somebody in a fantasy world.Difficulty in having a child.
Generally jupiter does not support having children(jupiter in fifth house)

Loss of children,Intense and terrible labour pain,Abortions(mars in the fifth)

Mars and jupiter in the fifth in the fifth house indicates children out of wedlock!

Now when it comes to me.
The cause of my death is unknownis a mysetry Either I may die due to poisoning,drowning(Water is one of the main causes),suicide, or some unknown disease.
Since the ruler of my eighth house is in the fifth it indicates death due to over indulgence in pleasure (sexual)!
I really didnt undertand that sentence till now.But probably it means some unkown std virus-flesh eating bacteria.
Im not at all promiscuous! I dont mind being in a state of celibacy but yet that does not seem to be a reason to state.

And in somebody elses chart whom i know of There are so many aspects which state loss of partner..Loss of loved ones..seems like

just considering all the possibilities....Sigh!

My Chart

posted March 26, 2011 04:08 AM            

Very interesting chart.
Every thing you listed was for planets in the houses but without the benefit of Signs or aspects.
Linked together with the right aspects then yes those predictions are possible but the way your chart is set up no, because of the Moon.
Be glad.

When you have children, the oldest is represented by the fifth house,
the second child, by the seventh house, and so on.

posted March 26, 2011 05:13 AM            

Lonake regarding the age of death calculation-
Have you tried The Arabic Part of death!
I have heard it works for most part
Im trying to learn doing that..

Here is the calculator http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php

Part of Sickness (S): Asc + Mars - Saturn
Part of Marriage (M): Asc + Desc - Venus
Part of Surgery or Cutting (C): Asc + Saturn - Mars
Part of Death (D): Asc + 8th Cusp - Moon
Part of Danger or Peril (P): Asc + Ruler of 8th - Saturn
Part of Legalizing (L): 9th Cusp + 3rd Cusp - Venus
There are plenty more Arabic Parts to be used.

According to an astrologer-
To do this correctly, it might be a good idea to know something about Arabic Parts. These are equations, using other points in the natal chart, that can be calculated. So, calculate the Part of Death and then look for progressions and heavy transits to that degree. The equation is:

"Death = ASC + Cusp of the 8th house - Moon"

"This is fairly simple. Translate the zodiac position into numbers. For example, my ASC is twenty-five degrees of Taurus. So, considering there are thirty degrees in Aries (zero degrees Aries is the first degree of the zodiac), my ASC would be 55. Then count around the circle to the 8th house cusp and the moon, translating their zodiac position into numbers as well."

"Plug the numbers into the above equation and you have it."

"If you really hate math, you can use one of the online Arabic Parts Calculators. I bookmarked www.noendpress.com/pvachier/arabicparts/index.php, but if you google Arabic Parts Calculator there are several good ones available. And, they're free."

"Once you have the degree of the Part of Death, look at progressions, eclipses, and heavy duty transits (by conjunction, square or opposition) to that point. But even if I see several direct hits to the degree of the Part of Death, it's not enough to make a prediction."

posted March 26, 2011 06:43 AM            

I wonder, if this Forum belongs to you?
You behave so, as you are the only one here and have all right to criticize other Moderators and members.
Please, don't touch Lalalinda and Ami Anne!
You have no right to do that.

You should go to the School for good behavior and manners: after that you could be a Moderator.

Btw, in my Astromedical Book about death:
We die because of certain Secondary Progressions and nothing else.

B.