posted April 14, 2011 07:05 PM            

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Would YOU consider the person's appearance in figuring out the ASC?

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Mildly. I don't go by hair color or eye color because those interpretations are very Eurocentric. I'm sure in a country of 1 billion Chinese people, for instance, with very few of them born with blonde hair or blue eyes, there will be a few Aqua Risings.

posted April 14, 2011 09:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
I ask this because people post up many charts of celebs, and most of them are from dodgy information.

It's no good stating you find this and that in a natal chart of said celebrity when the birth time is inaccurate. Why? Because the evidence you support for a certain signature in a natal chart will mean nothing when the real birth information is out.

People need to be aware that what they say (as 'astrologers') is viewed and learned upon. Using the drug thread as an example. You might be giving an answer for a certain signature which people take as sold, or as an option, but in reality the information you give is based upon a false natal chart.

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Coffee,

Astrodatabank is there for research purposes, obviously. I know you're a conspiracy theorist, etc. and you may believe birth times/dates may be hidden deliberately.

However, I'm not gonna rectify every chart posted on there that I'm interested in. I used high rated charts (AA, A) and forgot the rest regarding tob.

And yes, in my and others opinion, it is good data, and observations based on houses etc can be made.

Of course people like you will disagree.

Please feel free to contribute your rectifications of celeb charts I've already posted on the drug abuse thread if you feel this strongly about it, and with chart observations re: their drug abuse.

posted April 14, 2011 09:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I had it done several times and they were talking about someone else.

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posted April 14, 2011 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
You seem to take this guys word, what if he is wrong? How would you know?

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posted April 14, 2011 09:50 PM            

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Originally posted by amowls**:
Frankly, to test your skills you'd have to take a person who has an accurate birth time, ignore it and rectify it and compare results. There's no testing without a constant.

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One way with celebs would be to see if their data is on astrodatabank, but to not look at their page, instead check wikipedia and see the birthdate and place there. Of course many times wikipedia has faulty info and astro.com has bad chart ratings, so in those cases you're screwed, but many times it matches up. This way you won't see the birth time given and be influenced. Better if you don't even know their Asc. And then go research their life to get important dates. And then look at charts.

Or if you think astrodatabank has faulty data, to test many people you know who could later on provide birth certificate complete with time. However, those birth records could be a bit off, not always accurate down to the minute. And clocks are set to different times, lol.

posted April 14, 2011 09:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:
Ok I have made a very quick superficial attempt but... I shall wait until coffee does his calculations before I deliver it

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posted April 14, 2011 09:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Quinnie:
Libra ascendants are (...) VERY strong and passionate on issues and matters important to them.

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posted April 14, 2011 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I have these two questions for anyone:
Would YOU consider the person's appearance in figuring out the ASC?

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If someone had something like losing a child--wouldn't the natal show it--without transits---just the make-up of the natal--say Neptune in the 12th with Pisces on the 5th house cusp?

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posted April 15, 2011 07:43 AM            

The you have most that use asteroids, while few do the right thing and tell the asteroids where to go.

The point that I'm making....
There are so many people on here with so many different versions of astrology. In order to rectify correctly, you need to know how to do astrology and what you should be looking for. It's not just the answer, but how you get there in the end. This means, on here, we have a gazillion different ways of doing astrology, rectification.

We should no doubt come up with 12 signs after everyone has made an attempt.

I can only guess that many are not confident in rectifying a chart. If so, maybe that tells you something about the astrological methods you use.

There was a very stupid test done in order to disprove astrology. Which only proved the ignorance of the person testing it. The person drew up a nice few paragraphs describing a persons natal chart. Most agreed that the descriptions suited their selves. What they didn't know was that all the interpretations were the same for everyone.

You can view the descriptions how you want, but many of the qualities mentioned are easy to find within yourself. Making it much harder to see if the interpretation of your chart really fits.

posted April 15, 2011 12:02 PM            

My approach is to first use a behavior check where I create a detailed questionnaire for most obvious Ascendant Traits and most obvious Sun in a specific House traits. That helps narrow down to 2-3 signs. Approximate birth time like morning, afternoon or night will help find the correct Ascendant. I then look at the Facial Features for even more certainty.

A review of Saturn and Moon in the Specific House confirms the Ascendant. One needs to know dozens of Saturns and Moons in various houses to be certain . Luckily I have more than 1000 contacts who have accurate birth times.

Next is to follow up with Sabian Symbol Analysis to get the likely degrees. Sun or Mars Transit on a cusp will help identify the exact degree. (Venus on 2nd Cusp is another useful check, there always is an increased positive cash-flow on that day compared to the general trend of the month.)

Spiritually Minded folk can even use the Tarot after a Higher Self meditation to confirm their client's Ascendant.

I once got 3 clients in a row from 3 different countries and different birthdates with exactly 26 Capricorn as the Ascendant, after I came out of a very deep meditation.
The odds are one in many many millions of this event being random chance. Spirituality works.

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posted April 15, 2011 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by iQ:
I have complete respect for Chart Rectification. Knowledge of exact Ascendant Degree should be a birth right. The Sabian Symbol of the Ascendant Degree for instance can help unlock a hidden pattern in a person's life. And transits have maximum energy when they are on a House Cusp.
Vedic Directions or "Dashas" are another are where exact birthtime can help with stunningly accurate predictions.

My approach is to first use a behavior check where I create a detailed questionnaire for most obvious Ascendant Traits and most obvious Sun in a specific House traits. That helps narrow down to 2-3 signs. Approximate birth time like morning, afternoon or night will help find the correct Ascendant. I then look at the Facial Features for even more certainty.

A review of Saturn and Moon in the Specific House confirms the Ascendant. One needs to know dozens of Saturns and Moons in various houses to be certain . Luckily I have more than 1000 contacts who have accurate birth times.

Next is to follow up with Sabian Symbol Analysis to get the likely degrees. Sun or Mars Transit on a cusp will help identify the exact degree.

Spiritually Minded folk can even use the Tarot after a Higher Self meditation to confirm their client's Ascendant.

I once got 3 clients in a row from 3 different countries and different birthdates with exactly 26 Capricorn as the Ascendant, after I came out of a very deep meditation.
The odds are one in many many millions of this event being random chance. Spirituality works.

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posted April 15, 2011 02:05 PM            

There is a difference when you rectify charts and print your opinion of them online, and when I rectify charts and put them online for all to see.

At what point did I say that I would?

posted April 16, 2011 11:48 AM            

One of the best Astrologers (I have her book) has used pendulum, to correct birth time. She helped herself with many things, not only Astrology.
I believe to them (some are also clairvoyants) but I don't believe to the people they are doing just simple Astrology.

Bobbie

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posted April 16, 2011 12:38 PM            

This is my basic questionnaire, and it has to be answered with utmost sincerity for me to proceed further:

1. Do you think you are very introverted, mildly introverted, mildly extroverted or totally extroverted?

2. Did you have dreams of say spirits, angels, or strange entities during early childhood [age 6 to 12]

3. Do you take very fast decisions or are you confused when someone asks you to take a decision?

4. Do you color your hair because others are doing it or because you genuinely like the hair color?

5. Did you pick up jewelery instantaneously or because you saw it in a fashion magazine or was it a gift or was it worn by a favorite celebrity or suggested by close friends or your mother?

6. Do you let your mother make decisions for you? Do you have to check things with her, especially advice on boys? Do you have to prove your worth to your mother?

7. How many friends do you have on Facebook or Orkut, if you use Social Networking sites?

8. Do you like writing 1000 word essays very quickly on topics that suddenly take your interest?

9. If you get 100 dollars, would you instinctively like to save 50 dollars?

10. Have you ever considered stock markets and investing? Would the 50 dollars saved in Q9 go into stocks than fixed deposits?

11. Do you get upset when you see too much dust or get grossed out if there is a slightly unclean toilet?

12. Are you fast at spotting spelling mistakes or things that are slightly out of place or shape?

13. Do you love the smell of fresh bread, fresh soil or early morning grass?

14. Given a choice of gift, which will you choose: a dark, seductive, deep maroon gown OR an expensive/flashy Mobile Phone OR a pet horse OR a rare collectible Sword OR tuition fee for an advanced job oriented computer course? The amount is the same for any gift.

15. Do you cry in an instant when you see a tragic event on News channels?

16. Do you have an inner need to speak about yourself or your achievements in a general conversation, even though the intention is totally not for bragging?

Choose quickly:
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1. Free Hiking Trip to Alaska in Summer or all expenses paid for a 6 month diploma in film making ?

2. Ryan Reynolds or Liam Neeson?

3. Greta Garbo or Demi Moore?

4. Fresh Hot Cakes or Chinese Hakka Noodles?

5. A Cube, A Pebble or Sand?

6. Bronze Statue of: A General on a Horse, Nude Adonis, Ancient Incan Idol or none of these three ? What statute would you like?

Personal Questions: Do not have to answer these if you do not feel like it.

1. Do you spend time fantasizing about having sex with a famous celebrity?

2. In real life romance, do you instinctively like to seduce?

3. Are you sexually attracted to very rich guys?

4. Are you sexually attracted to introverted guys who have financial problems, or are depressed?

5. Are you sexually attracted to highly talented artistic type or hippy types?

6. Whenever you admire a person of the opposite sex, do you spontaneously get turned on?

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This will work best only when the person does not have any biased notion about their Ascendant and do not have preconceived notions about Astrological Profiles of what any Ascendant Behavior is like.

In the next step, some Ascendants can be easily spotted from their pictures. Some can be spotted by their educational qualifications or Career using Sun's House Position and possible 10th House Rulers.

And so on, level after level.

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Sometimes, drastic actions can help arrive at the Ascendant.

Today, I rectified Piscean Keli Lane's chart to a 22-24 degree Capricorn Ascendant based on her sentencing for the crime of killing her newborn daughter on 12th September 1996.

Transit Sun conj LUCIFER and Tr Moon were in her 8th House that day. Tr Neptune near end of 12th, 4th Cusp conjunct Chiron, Moon and Saturn in 6th.

Natal Moon conjunct her Nessus indicates the internal impulse for committing such a crime. Natal Asteroid LILITH falls in 8th Cusp.

She has admitted that being an Olympian Water Polo athlete [this too helps confirm Pisces Sun] was more important and feared parent's disapproval/abandonment, typical Capricorn Rising traits which could have been channeled so positively. Sadly, she chose the wrong path.

I could be wrong about Keli but am illustrating how I apply important event transits at identifying Ascendants when no other clue about approximate birthtime is available.

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posted April 16, 2011 02:24 PM            

All you need to know is that you use the planets on the inside and in transit to represent the houses.

If you want to know about personality, you look at 1st house ruler. If you want to know about children, you look at 5th house ruler.

You can look at them individually, or much better is to look at 2 house rulers. The most common way is to use 1st house ruler AND another house, depending on what you want.
To know about children, you look at 5th house ruler AND 1st ruler. Child and self, when child meets self, or just as easy, when ME(1) give BIRTH(5)
Maybe we can use some examples for people who have had children on here.

ME (1) have FAME (11)

Yes, I'm in the process of writing a book, something that you will find on here and other sites, one over many years.

posted April 16, 2011 02:37 PM            

If I do not know my children's rising sign or degree of rising sign, what inputs would you need from me apart from birthdate of child and birth dates plus accurate birth times of parents?

Would your system work if the parents also do not have birth times but only birth dates?

Lets say my first house ruler is Mars and fifth house ruler is Sun, and if Saturn is in my 5th, what would be the Ascendant of my children? Should they not be having the same rising sign? What about twins whose rising sign differs because of a 15 minute birth delay and one being born on say 28-29 degrees of a Sign?

My grandparents had 12 children spanning 5-6 rising signs and 9 Sun Signs. Does your system account for this?

I hope all of this will be explained in your book.

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posted April 16, 2011 02:48 PM            

I cannot and will never want to rectify to the exact degree. I rectify by rising sign, that is all.

posted April 16, 2011 03:03 PM            

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Just to satisfy the mathematician in me:

If I do not know my children's rising sign or degree of rising sign, what inputs would you need from me apart from birthdate of child and birth dates plus accurate birth times of parents?

Would your system work if the parents also do not have birth times but only birth dates?

Lets say my first house ruler is Mars and fifth house ruler is Sun, and if Saturn is in my 5th, what would be the Ascendant of my children? Should they not be having the same rising sign? What about twins whose rising sign differs because of a 15 minute birth delay and one being born on say 28-29 degrees of a Sign?

My grandparents had 12 children spanning 5-6 rising signs and 9 Sun Signs. Does your system account for this?

I hope all of this will be explained in your book.

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I have the birthdate of parents, and the birthdate of child. With this, I can tell you the rising sign of parent and child. I was hoping I could predict with the recent Lindaland birth, but the information was revealed.

I can do it on just about any date.

I have rectified thousands of charts of horses, and footballers from when they score, get injured, get booked, do well, do bad. etc.

More information is useful.

Yes, it will be a VERY varied book covering lots of astrological areas, and mainly cancelling out the options that don't work. There's a lot of cr@p in astrology which people keep learning and pass on like a really bad chinese whisper.

I'd imagine that people who use methods that were dead and buried even before the outer planets were used, would tend to use these new methods while passing their methods off as the real one.

Which astrologer wants to lose face and admit what they know is just wrong and doesn't work?

I'm an expert with predicting scorers, but unfortunately, predicting the exact score now needs a lot of revision. Just something needs tweaking.

I'm a terrible astrologer, as I can't rattle off the fantastic techniques that people use and have used for centuries. I cannot tell you WHY it works, or even simple information
about house systems. What I can do is RECTIFICATION of ASC, not degree.

As soon as people mention progressions, I fall asleep and laugh.