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Topic: RECIFICATION
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1367
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 09:38 AM
  
Who here can rectify a natal chart? That is the ultimate test of how good an astrologer is. To do this you must have a method of checking personal transits to a natal which applies to every single rectification you make.I ask this because people post up many charts of celebs, and most of them are from dodgy information. It's no good stating you find this and that in a natal chart of said celebrity when the birth time is inaccurate. Why? Because the evidence you support for a certain signature in a natal chart will mean nothing when the real birth information is out. People need to be aware that what they say (as 'astrologers') is viewed and learned upon. Using the drug thread as an example. You might be giving an answer for a certain signature which people take as sold, or as an option, but in reality the information you give is based upon a false natal chart. Anyone actually thought about rectifying some charts to test their skill?
What would happen if you didn't get rectification correct? Would you think your skills and teaching journey along the path of astrology needs revising (or even getting rid of and replacing with a new one that actually works?) IP: Logged |
snarly
Knowflake Posts: 165
From: u.k
Registered: Oct 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 09:43 AM
I'm only a beginner in Astrology, but I am intrigued by chart rectification, and would love to tackle one when I'm a bit more proficient!IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8823
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 09:52 AM
Dear Coffee,
I want to come back and explain what a really good astrologer did with my chart and get your opinion  ------------------
Life is lived in the sand box.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1367
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 09:56 AM
I missed out the 't' in rectification. Sorry!I rectify horses and sports peoples natal chart (with my eyes closed) and find the results after what happens in real life. When I rectified the charts for the horses (easy/hard?) and asked people to come up with predictions, hardly anyone attempted. You can rectify, make predictions, or you can spout information reeled off from a person who calls themselves astrologer in the hope you are correct. Do you feel you need to test if your astrology works, by rectification or predictions, or are you just hoping that the information you give out to newbies is the correct information? At what point do you sit down and think deeply, very deeply, that the way you do astrology just might not work. At what point do you test your knowledge other than 'is this guy interested in me?' IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1367
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 10:03 AM
Do you have many stories of the same astrologer or even more stories of similar work, or just the one story to place a whole life and way of doing astrology onto?IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8823
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 11:55 AM
I am just gonna run this by you,Coffee, for your opinion.
My mother told me I was born at 1:30 which would make me a Libra ASC.
I became close to a wonderful astrologer. He looked at me and said "You are a Scorpio ASC"
He knew me well enough to know where planet placements should go such as Venus in the 7th vs Venus in the 8th,for example. *I* know Astrology ,enough,now ,to see what he was doing cuz I am very much a Venus in the 7th person . ------------------
Life is lived in the sand box.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8823
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 11:58 AM
This was the MAIN thing,Coffee.
Once,he did that chart,my whole life fit.
Prior to that,I never fit my chart.
I had it done several times and they were talking about someone else. It was disconcerting and upsetting
Once,he changed the time to 3 hours ahead and I became a Scorpio ASC, I came home to myself.
All the planets fit right down to Neptune in the 12th and the loss of a child.
Each one seemed to have it's proper place.
My mother told me it was 1:30.not 4:30 ,but they were highly drugged at that time when they gave birth.
Anyway, Coffee,if you don't mind venturing an opinion,what do you think?
Thanks for any help! ------------------
Life is lived in the sand box.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Alma Sun
Moderator Posts: 92
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Registered: Mar 2011
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posted April 14, 2011 12:25 PM
Lol that's true Ami. Even nowadays, mother's don't always remember their child's birth time. My friend who gave birth recently recalls her son's T.O.B. completely different than the other 2 family members who were in the room with her during the birth. ------------------
"Lock up your libraries if you like, but there is no gate, no lock, no bolt that you can set upon the freedom of my mind." — Virginia Woolf IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1367
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 12:49 PM
You seem to take this guys word, what if he is wrong? How would you know?IP: Logged |
NickiG
Moderator Posts: 3540
From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
Registered: Jul 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 01:34 PM
i'v had to rectify a chart for my mom and her bf, pop because their birth time is unknown for both of them------------------
What happens on Venus stays on Venus -Nasa IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8823
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 01:37 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
You seem to take this guys word, what if he is wrong? How would you know?
This was not rectification which is different.
That is based on looking at events and transits,I think.
This new chart felt like a coming home.It was very profound.
I fit.
Prior to that ,when I had my chart done ,I thought "Who is this person?" lol
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Life is lived in the sand box.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1367
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 01:57 PM
I hope it's correct. How do you know if the rectification is correct? Apart from you having 'feelings' with your new chart.Does anyone here feel comfortable rectifying ANY chart with great accuracy? That is the test of a true astrologer. Maybe we can test some people (I don't need more rectification right now) IP: Logged |
NickiG
Moderator Posts: 3540
From: Pluto, next to Ami Ann
Registered: Jul 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 02:03 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
I hope it's correct. How do you know if the rectification is correct? Apart from you having 'feelings' with your new chart.Does anyone here feel comfortable rectifying ANY chart with great accuracy? That is the test of a true astrologer. Maybe we can test some people (I don't need more rectification right now)
one of them i dont know if it is correct but the other i strongly believe it is because i intimately know these people so i can feel out the charts for them well ------------------
What happens on Venus stays on Venus -Nasa IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8823
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 02:07 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
I hope it's correct. How do you know if the rectification is correct? Apart from you having 'feelings' with your new chart.Does anyone here feel comfortable rectifying ANY chart with great accuracy? That is the test of a true astrologer. Maybe we can test some people (I don't need more rectification right now)
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Life is lived in the sand box.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Quinnie
Knowflake Posts: 1071
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 02:08 PM
Coffee,Give us some hints as to how we could rectify a chart...Ok someone has an unknown birth time..
They supply us with dates of major events such as death of a parent/grandparent
graduation
wedding
birth of a child
etc Now what do we do with those dates? What are we looking for?
Planets aspecting a certain degree? Couldn't we all try to rectify a chart?
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Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 1367
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 02:08 PM
What about pure rectification, rather than feeling the correct chart out. Are you or any on here competent enough to recitfy based on pure life events?Sure plenty have been convinced of a rectification that fits and feels, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty, if you have a not good understanding of how to do astrology correctly, you interpret the figuration that feels right, wrongly. Anyone do it on pure events, the male logical way, instead of feeling it out as a woman. Sorry to use these terms. I have a point! IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 8823
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 02:16 PM
Coffee,I give you a pass on your statement about woman on behalf of all woman ------------------
Life is lived in the sand box.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Quinnie
Knowflake Posts: 1071
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posted April 14, 2011 02:17 PM
Me too Ami!IP: Logged |
amowls**
Knowflake Posts: 271
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Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 02:26 PM
Frankly, to test your skills you'd have to take a person who has an accurate birth time, ignore it and rectify it and compare results. There's no testing without a constant.IP: Logged |
amowls**
Knowflake Posts: 271
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Registered: Dec 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 02:28 PM
quote:
Anyone do it on pure events, the male logical way, instead of feeling it out as a woman.
Ah sexist ignorance, how cute. Ami, I'm not giving him a pass, sorry. IP: Logged |
Quinnie
Knowflake Posts: 1071
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Registered: Apr 2009
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posted April 14, 2011 02:29 PM
Well there would be a constant if someone put up a chart with a known but undisclosed time of birth... and then compared the results.IP: Logged |
dysfunctionalmystic
Knowflake Posts: 272
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Registered: Sep 2010
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posted April 14, 2011 02:36 PM
If rectification is so highly thought of within astrology why do some very competent astrologers call it wrecktification? I disagree in the strongest way possible that it is THE test of how good an astrologer is. I agree that people need to be aware that what they say as astrolgers is viewed and learned upon which is why I have to make it clear that rectification is NOT the test used to determine whether someone is a true astrologer. There is no such thing as "pure" rectification, transits can manifest on an internal level as much as an external one and there will be no external event to measure the rectification against. So anyone doing it in a purely "male" logical way would miss those things that "feelings" would find...by asking the appropriate questions. You did not have to use those terms - but you did. You chose the "emotive" way rather than being "rational" and sticking to terms such as rational or intuitive, you did not have to label them male and female but you did...because you wanted a reaction...which is emotional. You wanted to provoke emotion. Why would someone who claims that the rational way is superior resort to using emotive language? IP: Logged |
amowls**
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posted April 14, 2011 02:38 PM
I'll do it, as long as people forget what my ASC is haha.DOB: Feb 8 1988
POB: Washington DC grandmother's death: March 26 2003
grandfather's death: November 2003?
(note: not related grandparents but step parents to my dad's mother and father who divorced and remarried)
move 1: september 1997
move 2 (100 miles away): August 2006 love life (maybe you can see it):
first wuv: 1999
second love: 2005-2007 IP: Logged |
Quinnie
Knowflake Posts: 1071
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posted April 14, 2011 02:51 PM
K
amowls...just trying something...
was it your maternal or paternal grandparents?
Did you move far? In the same country?IP: Logged |
amowls**
Knowflake Posts: 271
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posted April 14, 2011 03:01 PM
Both are paternal, but not related by blood to my dad. They are both my dad's step parents (one married to his mother [still alive] the other married to his dad [who died before I was born]).The first move was just one county over (aprox 5 miles away), but it was very different for me. I was in elementary school and moved away from all the people I had known growing up. I've actually never seen any of the people from my old town since except via Facebook. The second move was a move to college and to a whole new part of the state (which might as well be a different state). If you can see it in transits or progressions, I haven't really stayed in the same house since though. I've moved several times but all within a mile of each other, almost every year (as roommates change and so forth). Both moves were for the best. In my new elementary school I made a lot better friends and as for college, I like Richmond a lot more than Northern Virginia. IP: Logged |
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