posted May 01, 2011 01:59 PM            

Ami, no it is a bit wide actually, 6°.
But I can feel it.

But the good thing is that my Chiron also sextiles Mercury in the 6th, which is my chart ruler, so there IS a way out !

And maybe I DO need to consider becoming a counselor or something.

posted May 01, 2011 03:26 PM            

thank you for the kind words!

".. all you need is patience, just a little patience, yea yea yea.." its the best vertue u know!!

posted May 02, 2011 01:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I often feel lonely.

I wonder why, because I have the possibilty to talk to quite a few people, but I just don't feel like doing so, and then I just go and feel lonely.

It's like there is something missing inside of me, and nobody can fill the void within.

I used to blame that on Saturn in the 11th, but actually I don't think there is a placement for that particular feeling.

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it may be something related to your purpose. in finding something that your soul want. you may be stuck in your life progress. could you do an exercise listing all your dreams? this may be inspiring and would give you something to feel motivated. after you are working in fulfilling a dream, you wont notice any sense of solitide. or so it is my experience.

posted May 02, 2011 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
it may be something related to your purpose. in finding something that your soul want. you may be stuck in your life progress. could you do an exercise listing all your dreams? this may be inspiring and would give you something to feel motivated. after you are working in fulfilling a dream, you wont notice any sense of solitide. or so it is my experience.

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Thank you.
I will try.

posted May 05, 2011 03:04 PM            

I do something similar. Try crying a little bit or something. Sometimes I think that's all people need to do, and then they feel better.

posted May 05, 2011 03:09 PM            

My Saturn is not in a water house nor in a water sign, but it makes hard aspects to my personal planets.

posted May 05, 2011 05:08 PM            

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Originally posted by meow:
I thought loneliness was part of the human condition

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posted May 05, 2011 07:20 PM            

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Originally posted by meow:
I thought loneliness was part of the human condition

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Great newcomers on LL! Welcome!

I was meditating on this the other day, and you are definitely right! But as Doux Reve said, there are different degrees of loneliness.

I also agree that Saturn plays a big part in this, may it be a moon in Capricorn, a hard aspect to a personal planet or its presence in a water house.

Mine is in the 12th, and sometimes I wonder it its conjunction to Jupiter is a blessing. I like my solitude most of the time.

Is Saturn the planet of separation? Neptune to me is oneness, the one that says "we are all one", and you can never feel alone when you know you're part of everything that is. Saturn seems to bring fear.

They say that there are only two emotions, fear and love. All the others are derived from these two, for instance from fear we get hatred, envy, despair and so on. Hatred would be the domain of Pluto, but the fear that Saturn brings is much worse in my opinion.

posted May 05, 2011 07:26 PM            

I agree that Saturn brings fear.

Fear of being alone, lonely, worthless. The feeling that nobody cares.

posted May 06, 2011 12:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Seeing Stars 7.21:
Abcdef.

I do something similar. Try crying a little bit or something. Sometimes I think that's all people need to do, and then they feel better.

Saturn definitely holds some responsibility in peoples feelings of loneliness . Or just being content with solitude. When placed in water houses it can cause depression. I myself have it in the 4th . Quincunx sun . Square mars. Opposite chiron. Conjunct trans. Few others but all wide orbs.

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posted May 06, 2011 12:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:

CrazyAquarian, please hold on.
Just try to keep some hope.
We all go through this, you are not alone!

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posted May 06, 2011 04:27 AM            

I want to reply to this, but I'm nervous that I'm going to fumble what I'm trying to say - please help me by making sure you understand what I'm on about before judging me. Fingers crossed, here goes, lol -

I can't be lonely. I am not a hugely popular person or anything, but people always want to talk to me for hours and hours. I get off the 'phone to my Dad who was bending my ear about everything under the sun, then 10 minutes later my friend 'phones and chats for ages, 15 minutes on from that and my mother in law calls - all this time I just want some peace and quiet! I love my own company and don't need anyone around me, for hours, or even days. Just the laptop, the telly and a good book, some nice food and I would be in heaven!

All I crave is solitude, but its the one thing I never seem to be able to have. People invite me out for meals or get togethers and I never go, and I wouldn't even care if they didn't ask me.

My only feelings of loneliness have come when my husband is away for some reason, or I'm in another country through work. I hate being away from him, I could live in his pocket no problem!

I am not saying that to gloat that I'm not lonely - I'm genuinely wishful that I did want more company. I find it so hard to fake interest, but I know I have to. I do it so well that not one of my friends or family would have any clue I feel this way. Sad isn't it.

Rachel

posted May 06, 2011 04:42 AM            

I need my solitude a lot, too.

Usually I am not lonely; in the sense that, I don't want people around me, because I am happy on my own.

But SOMETIMES, I just wish someone was there with me, someone who I could share my life with.
It doesn't happen too often, fortunately.

posted May 06, 2011 04:44 AM            

Just so you know, I'm sure you are a beautiful, wonderful person

posted May 06, 2011 05:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
Rachel, I actually understand very well.

I need my solitude a lot, too.

Usually I am not lonely; in the sense that, I don't want people around me, because I am happy on my own.

But SOMETIMES, I just wish someone was there with me, someone who I could share my life with.
It doesn't happen too often, fortunately.

But thank you for sharing

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Ahhhh, I understand now. I am exactly the same - the only time I would be lonely is if my husband isn't here, then I hate it. I'd be ridiculous without a partner; I've not had one day as a single woman since I was 11, lol, I have tended to overlap boyfriends (oopsy!) rather than risk being alone!

Rachel x

posted May 07, 2011 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by RMChex:
Ahhhh, I understand now. I am exactly the same - the only time I would be lonely is if my husband isn't here, then I hate it. I'd be ridiculous without a partner; I've not had one day as a single woman since I was 11, lol, I have tended to overlap boyfriends (oopsy!) rather than risk being alone!

Rachel x

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posted May 07, 2011 06:01 PM            

I noticed that 12th housers are the ones who need their solitude, almost like a computer which needs a periodic defragmentation of the disk. It may be that we absorb other people's energy and we're never quite sure if it's our own or someone else's.

posted May 08, 2011 02:29 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
And the popularity inherited from your mom, the moon in the 11th

I noticed that 12th housers are the ones who need their solitude, almost like a computer which needs a periodic defragmentation of the disk. It may be that we absorb other people's energy and we're never quite sure if it's our own or someone else's.

Benedict Moon, the classic interpretation for Saturn in the 12th is that it processes all human mankind's guilt. I agree strongly with what you said, and I appreciate the hidden gift. But I've had days when I looked up and asked my higher self why did he choose it to be this hard. It got better once I accepted all the pain.
Is your Saturn retrograde?

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