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Topic: The Astrology Of Death
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Coffee
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posted June 23, 2011 05:57 PM
  
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Originally posted by abcd efg:
OK. So Coffee, if you are around -Jupiter and Pluto Lords of the 1st and 12th house respectively. Natal Jup in Virgo 10 deg 30'
Transit Pluto in Sag 17 deg 25'r
Orb =97 deg 5'
Natal Pluto in Virgo 1 deg 38'
Transit Jupiter in Aries 24 deg 3'
Orb = 97 deg 35' Would this effect be correct for the possible window?
Pluto -97 to Jupiter.
Jupiter +127 to Pluto. Combined orb = -30 (as Jupiter is seperating 30 degrees from the perfect mirror point of -97 degrees) Excellent orb! IP: Logged |
4lifephrases
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posted June 23, 2011 06:36 PM
Hi Coffee, Bit confused whether the orb no is number of years or what ? My details are 1 st house ruler- JUPITER
12th house ruler- PLUTO Transit Jupiter - 3 Taurus 33 in 6th house
Natal Pluto- 0 Scorpio 24 in 12th house Transit Pluto - 6 Capricorn 20 in 2nd house
Natal Jupiter - 15 Sag 36 in 1st house I do not understand orb? As for my Father, I have 4th house Pisces and 3rd house Aquarius. How does that work? Thanks for your help. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted June 23, 2011 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
Hi Coffee, Bit confused whether the orb no is number of years or what ? My details are 1 st house ruler- JUPITER
12th house ruler- PLUTO Transit Jupiter - 3 Taurus 33 in 6th house
Natal Pluto- 0 Scorpio 24 in 12th house Transit Pluto - 6 Capricorn 20 in 2nd house
Natal Jupiter - 15 Sag 36 in 1st house I do not understand orb? As for my Father, I have 4th house Pisces and 3rd house Aquarius. How does that work? Thanks for your help.
The combined orb is the number of degrees away one set of planets (transit to natal) is from the perfect point of both matching and cancelling each other out. Always start with the slowest moving transit planet first. Pluto -21 to Jupiter.
Jupiter +177 to Pluto. Combined Orb = +156 (This means Jupiter has to apply 156 degrees until it reaches the point of +21 degrees to match and cancel out the Pluto -21 to Jupiter). For father, as Neptune is the slower moving of the two, you do transit Neptune to natal Uranus, and then transit Uranus to natal Neptune. IP: Logged |
abcd efg
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posted June 23, 2011 11:14 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Coffee:
Pluto -97 to Jupiter.
Jupiter +127 to Pluto.Combined orb = -30 (as Jupiter is seperating 30 degrees from the perfect mirror point of -97 degrees) Excellent orb!
Sorry Coffee, made a mistake. Actually that Aries was Taurus. So the combined orb would be 0 right? Thanks for your quick response. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted June 24, 2011 01:33 PM
Yes, applying 71, which makes zero combined orb.IP: Logged |
Deluded
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posted June 24, 2011 05:51 PM
Kurt Cobain  1st House Ruler Mercury
12th House Ruler Sun Transit Sun -27 to Natal Mercury
Transit Mercury -21 to Natal Sun Combined Orb -48 Transit Mercury Opposes Natal MC by 2 degrees (as does Transit Mars) Coffee, didn't do 1 & 11 for fame as Moon rules 11 so would still be Mercury & Sun so same combined orb. 
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Deluded
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posted June 24, 2011 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by Deluded:
Kurt Cobain 1st House Ruler Mercury
12th House Ruler Sun Transit Sun -27 to Natal Mercury
Transit Mercury -21 to Natal Sun Combined Orb -48 Transit Mercury Opposes Natal MC by 2 degrees (as does Transit Mars) Coffee, didn't do 1 & 11 for fame as Moon rules 11 so would still be Mercury & Sun so same combined orb.
Meant to put Transit Mercury Opposes Natal AC (NOT MC)
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Coffee
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posted June 25, 2011 11:52 AM
You look at where the Sun is at to where the Moon is. Exactly the same as looking at when a new or full moon is there - you look at the Sun. If a new Moon, the Moon is the exact same degree as the Sun. If a full moon, the Moon is the exact opposite degree of the Sun.
If the Moon going round is within 90 degrees either side of the Sun, it's a new moon. If it's not within 90 degrees either side, it's full. Hope that was clear.IP: Logged |
abcd efg
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posted June 25, 2011 12:52 PM
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Originally posted by Coffee:
Yes, applying 71, which makes zero combined orb.
Was this reply for me? If yes then how is it 71? I thought it was -30 that would make 0 combined orb. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted June 25, 2011 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by abcd efg:
Was this reply for me? If yes then how is it 71? I thought it was -30 that would make 0 combined orb.
Yes. Transit Jupiter to Pluto is now 71 degrees after the correction from Aries to Taurus placement. Combined orb, as you said, now equals zero degrees. IP: Logged |
abcd efg
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posted June 25, 2011 01:56 PM
Coffee, it would be 97 know i.e. after the correction? I hope you are not getting bugged.IP: Logged |
4lifephrases
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Registered: Nov 2010
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posted June 26, 2011 05:09 PM
Hi Coffee, Thanks a lot for finding out that for me. What I am thinking is that Jupiter doing 156 is not very long time, isn't it ? Does that mean those are the times it can happen?Does that mean after certain time of cycles it might happen? I don't know whether this can give any specific age numbers???
Just wondering possibility.
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Coffee
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posted June 26, 2011 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by 4lifephrases:
Hi Coffee, Thanks a lot for finding out that for me. What I am thinking is that Jupiter doing 156 is not very long time, isn't it ? Does that mean those are the times it can happen?Does that mean after certain time of cycles it might happen? I don't know whether this can give any specific age numbers???
Just wondering possibility.
Not sure what you mean by 'a long time' or 'age numbers' For this or any other event to happen, the combined orb is ideally as close to zero as possible, with the exception of a few aspects along the way. This one is the only real example I've found that is way off. Maybe there are issues over time of birth? IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 2242
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 27, 2011 02:02 PM
AMY WINEHOUSE  Uploaded with ImageShack.us 1st ruler MERCURY, 12th ruler VENUS t.VENUS +60 to n.MERCURY
t.MERCURY -3 to n.VENUS Natally, VENUS is +30 to MERCURY, while this is repeated in transit with VENUS +30 to MERCURY. Just to add to the low combined orb, exact sextile between VENUS and MERCURY, and the conjunction from MERCURY to VENUS. IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted July 27, 2011 02:08 PM
I really hate the way in which death can be seen in the natal chart, yet many governments refuse to acknowledge it's existence.Many of these deaths could have been seen and prevented, with the knowledge of a really good astrologer. This is when astrology can be used in real terms, and hopefully used for good. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted July 27, 2011 03:30 PM
so, you are saying that when natal 12 ruler aspect natal 1H ruler and transiting 1st H aspect natal the person is going to die? spuky!!!IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 2242
From: Leeds
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 27, 2011 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by nordicsoul:
so, you are saying that when natal 12 ruler aspect natal 1H ruler and transiting 1st H aspect natal the person is going to die? spuky!!!
No. You look at what I stated in my first post, and look for them. It can be hard to actually predict, but there are times when danger has more of a chance. To understand this way, you need to get your head around combined orb, and using house rulers. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted July 27, 2011 05:44 PM
Her ASC is 17 Gemini, not 12.IP: Logged |
Coffee
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From: Leeds
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posted July 27, 2011 06:18 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Her ASC is 17 Gemini, not 12.
I just did a random asc, with sign only, not exact time. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted September 28, 2011 05:54 PM
I really didn't want to take a look, but couldn't resist...I think I get it. My mom is dying at the moment.. it's a matter of days or maybe (I hope!) weeks ..
At first I was happy to see that the combined orb of n. 12th ruler to t. 1st ruler/ n. 1st to t. 12th = about "-70" !!! (so not near zero!) And then I looked at her natal 12th house ruler (the Sun) which is not making any natal aspects. Okay, so I thought; no problem as it's not repeating anything in the transits. Happy. But then I looked at her natal 1st ruler (Mercury) which is making a pretty exact SQUARE to her natal Uranus (6th ruler!)
Mercury = 5'54 Virgo
Uranus = 4'19 Gem
So, that's SEPARATING. And guess what.. look in the sky what's repeating with t. Mercury and t. Uranus in opposition:
Mercury = 3'50 Libra
Uranus = 2;29 Aries
Means also; separating. Okay.. that's a bit scary. Coffee, what do you think of the 6th ruler and the first ruler together? ps; Yes, I used whole signs! IP: Logged |
abcd efg
Knowflake Posts: 1118
From: India
Registered: Mar 2011
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posted September 29, 2011 09:05 AM
((((((mir)))))))  IP: Logged |
Coffee
Knowflake Posts: 2242
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posted September 29, 2011 01:53 PM
No need to look at 6th ruler. You look at 1st and 12th rulers. That will be SUN (12th ruler) and Mercury (1st ruler) - I'm guessing Virgo rising, based on which house rulers you said.See if you can see 1st and 12th rulers natally, and see if that same amount of orb aspect is repeated. Example: Natally, Mercury is applying to Sun by 8 degrees, and in transit, Mercury is applying 8 degrees to Sun. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted October 01, 2011 06:14 AM
Thank you very much abcd efg Unfortunately she died a few hours after I wrote my post here (death clock: sept. 29th between 9:30 and 10:00 pm).
A weird thing is that I can't see a thing in the transits compared to natal, not exactly then not now. Also not that same amount of orb etc. Prob. I'm not very clear these days.
After all the things are arranged here I'll come back to post the chart/transits.. maybe here, maybe in a new thread. IP: Logged |
abcd efg
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posted October 01, 2011 06:24 AM
My heart felt condolences to you mir. I am very sorry for your loss. May GOD rest her soul in peace.  IP: Logged |
Coffee
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posted October 01, 2011 02:05 PM
Great if you can post the chart, thanks!Sorry for your loss. My Mum died years ago, as the post in this thread shows, and it's likely to be a major life event for anyone to have a parent die. Hope you're coping well. IP: Logged |
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