posted May 10, 2011 09:15 AM            

It is all about a combination of Nessus afflictions and basic chart afflictions.

Nessus, Pluto and Mars afflictions are far worse than a Jupiter affliction.

Mercury is disastrous when afflicted by Nessus, as in the case of Fred West and Rosemary West.

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posted May 10, 2011 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:
It isn't too bad to read Ami, you might find that she's easier to read once you have a fairly good understanding of astro stuff. She does tend to talk about the dynamics rather than give cookbook interpretations which is great to increase insight but not so easy to grasp.

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You got a point Dysfunctional mystic
Perhaps I did not know enough to appreciate her style

posted May 10, 2011 12:47 PM            

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failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;

deceitfulness, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;

impulsivity or failure to plan ahead;
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;

reckless disregard for safety of self or others;

consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;

lack of remorse, as indicated by indifference to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;

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The first part sounds like an anti Jupiter (opposite of laws) person, maybe a GEMINI.

The other word is anti social. Social is 11th house, while anti social is LEO. Although a nice personality is Aries, while a 'bad' personality is LIBRA. Fights and negative aggression is Libra.

posted May 10, 2011 01:03 PM            

You can identify them by their hurt of others, disregard for other's rights, and lack of empathy...

SO EASY to spot these guys if you just look for that alone.

posted May 10, 2011 01:18 PM            

If you want to look at the word antisocial, the astrological equivalent is LEO, opposite the social house of Aquarius.

posted May 10, 2011 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
We can't forget upbringing in the equation.

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posted May 10, 2011 01:45 PM            

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Originally posted by PlutoSquared:
Think of it as "bird watching"...

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Oh how often I do that

I never thought about what in a chart could cause someone to be sociopathic though. But seeing their typical disregard for others' feelings specifically (rather than having no feelings whatsoever) and since the word "socio" suggests that this disorder is focused almost entirely on other people, I'm going to venture into saying they have a 7th house with some awful placements. Perhaps a moon in 7th which is badly aspected, maybe conjunct saturn? Every sociopath has different symptoms though, and another sociopath can more blatantly disregard another person's rights which... well, the law is Saturn, right? And for some reason I'm picturing a 7th house with an air sign on the cusp... I'm stepping on my own toes here probably, but I'd say most likely Gemini.

Good thing my Saturn is nowhere near aspected with my 7th house Gemini moon

All just a brainstorm, though. But it was the first thing that came to mind.

posted May 10, 2011 02:27 PM            

On this particular topic though, I'm inclined to disagree that it can't be found in the chart because it is an inherent disorder which - granted - does focus on the environment, but the person who expresses it, is more often than not born with it. Which suggests that it can well be found in the natal chart.

But with reservations though, because after all, not every sociopath is going to have the exact same placements (wouldn't Astrology be much easier if they did? ) as the next one in line and there are always going to be a few exceptions to the rule.

If it can be found in the chart, no doubt there are probably very different placements and aspects that can lead to the same conclusion. For the people with sociopathic tendencies of whom I've seen the charts, they never had anything in common really. Although two of them were brothers and they did have the same Mercury placement. Just in the sign, though.

posted May 10, 2011 02:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
I disagree that everything is in the chart. The chart shows potential in either direction. The choices we make in relation to our environment can determine where we fall along that astrological scale. Astrology is a good tool in which to guage likely issues and problems that need to be worked through, but there's more to being a sociopath than indicators in a birth chart. That's fatalistic in thinking, and it is exactly what great Astrologers like Sydney Omar (one of Linda's teachers) warn against. It's as if you are saying to the person who has a newborn baby that their child is going to be a sociopath. Not so. Astrology can be used by said parents to see where their child will struggle and provide more attention there to foster Growth (for example, more hugging and positive reinforcement). Just my opinion. We all have one. But I feel Astrology is only an indicator of possibilities. We always have our box of Free-Will Legos to play with, and we can all build anything we want out of them, if we believe we can. We are only limited by what we feel is possible and impossible. Astrology is a Map. Astrology is our individual Guide. But Astrology does not take away our choices. We can fall anywhere on the Grid that is our Celestial Map, and that grid has a very wide latitude.

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Just my thoughts.I think we are made by a Creator ,designed as He wanted us for His purposes which are unknown to us while we are on the earth.
I don't think God would make anybody bad/not redeemable/ unable to manifest good.
Some people have many more challenges than others. The reasons,again,are unknown to us.
They say you can't see a Saint from a Sinner by the charts.
You can see huge challenges ,for sure, though