posted June 10, 2011 06:19 AM
I have moon trine plutoIt seems quite accurate for me. I have also Pluto in 8th house which makes it stronger.
Edit: Everything is quoted. I just added emphasis.
http://theastrologyplace.blogspot.com/2011/03/moon-trine-pluto.html
"Those with Moon trine Pluto somehow find emotional power even in difficult situations. When the Moon and Pluto combine we have a person with emotional depth, and keen intuitive insight into the hidden realms. They enjoy emotional intensity and are attracted to the unknown, and to dangerous or challenging situations.
The individual has the capacity to renew and transform their inner-lives, and naturally understands the deeper motivations of others, and are interested in the deep roots of emotionnal problems and how to cure them. Moon trine Pluto people make natural psychologists, and effortlessly enter into the “psyches” of those around them.
The main difference between those who have a positive aspect between Moon and Pluto and those who are born with the negative aspects is that those born with positive aspects evolve through these experiences and use their powers to generally benefit the masses.
On the other hand, those born with negative aspects have difficulty resolving events which are beyond their control (life and death situations or relationship with parents etc). As a result, they tend to hold grudges, and become bitter and resentful with life. They can also lead the masses in the wrong direction (consciously or not). George Bush Sr. is a prime examle (1.2 million tons of bombs on Iraq for the sake of "peace")!
The person is a natural when relating to anything hidden, layered, and they need to plumb the depths of all emotional experiences. Moon-Pluto has a taste for the dramatic, and they insist on bringing feelings between people out in the open, for they want real closeness with others, with no secrets. Wherever we have Pluto we are handed a shovel and told to “dig”. Moon-Pluto may dig into the personal lives of others, and Pluto also represents the mass unconscious, taboos, and forbidden aspects of life.
Moon-Pluto people know how to make changes which improve their domestic life, and easily confront emotions which other people tend to repress. The individual is emotionally resilient and resourceful and has stores of emotional power and are able to handle crisis well. The Moon rules the woman in an native's life, and so they may be quietly powerful, driven, and intense, and may show an interest in healing, metaphysics or the occult. Monetary gains may also come through female relatives.
The individual can experience powerful psychic experiences, and have easy access to the subconscious. Any emotional problems which surface are confronted and healed, and they are courageous in facing emotional pain. Moon-Pluto aspects are concerned with growth, transformation and empowerment. Psychological and emotional health, are important, and they easily demonstrate personal power.
Moon-Pluto has powerful gut instincts and can easily sense danger. In fact, they can sense things below the surface, and this includes how other people feel. Moon-Pluto is also incredibly protective of loved ones, and have the ability to bond with others at a deep level. They are effective in helping those they care about by tapping into their deeper needs and feelings. The person might also have the desire to redecorate and alter their living arrangements.
A Moon-Pluto person will have emotionally embraced the deepest levels of his being, integrated his inner darkness or "shadow," thereby "owning" his power and establishing his fundamental sense of values and security at a profound level. Remember, when Superman's dark half split off, and its evil character wrecked havoc, and the "good" Superman couldn't do anything,; he had totally lost his power! That's what happens when Moon-Pluto tries to be all "white-lighty" and won't 'fess up to himself that there is no human evil he couldn't commit or think about committing under extreme circumstances.
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http://astrologyforthesoul.com/moses/plutmon.html
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Post by Moses Pluto-Moon and Pluto
From a Spiritual Perspective
11/11/00
Copyright Moses Siregar III 2000
In one of your previous posts, you mentioned the
" juiciness" of Pluto/Moon aspects. Other than
the usual intense emotional experiences of early
childhood with the Mother influencing the
psyche, any other insights into this?
At the time I basically meant that a Moon-Pluto aspect is a very difficult aspect, which is also therefore very transformative. But since you ask, I have another take on Moon-Pluto. I'd say that there's a very psychological approach to Pluto out there. Then there's the casual astrologer's approach to Pluto (power struggles, transformation). There's also an evolutionary approach to Pluto, like Jeffrey Wolf Green's. But I don't think the spiritual perspective of Pluto has been fully articulated yet; all that we've really done is throw around the same cliches over and over--death, rebirth, and transformation. The articulation of Pluto from a purely spiritual perspective is another kind of information that I'm trying to get out there. So here's what i don't think we've collectively articulated about the spiritual nature of Pluto:
First, a lovely image: Pluto is the only planet who is willing to put on arm's-length rubber gloves, stick his hand all the way up your as-, dig around, and pull out the problem. I know, it's nasty, but so is Pluto. Pluto does not care about you, the little ego-you. Pluto sees right through you, because you are not really Real. Pluto sees Truth, and the Truth of who you are, and that is what Pluto cares about. If you have to suffer to drop the false identifications of ego, Pluto could not care less, although I think Pluto is not actually ruthless and mean, even though it does often feel that way. Pluto doesn't want to hurt you, Pluto wants to free you from yourself. When Pluto really comes to visit, make no mistake about it: you are dying. You must surrender to this death and radically let go, because you cannot be present at your own funeral. To the degree that we resist the death of all that is false, when Pluto visits, we will suffer. If you want illusion to end for us, Pluto is the ticket to the Self.
Pluto specifically represents the purging of the grasping onto all that is unreal and untrue; Pluto represents the True and the Real. We can see this perverted search for the Real in Scorpionic people seeking the Real high, going from one extreme or addiction to another. Pluto represents that part of Spirit that strips away everything within us that clings to falsehood and illusion. If we could only take the Buddha's wisdom to heart, we would understand: everything changes, so why pretend otherwise?
So how does this help us understand a personal aspect like Moon-Pluto? First, I need to say that any major Pluto aspect operates fundamentally the same, whether it is a trine or a square, a sextile or an opposition. This is also true of Saturn and Neptune aspects. Harder aspects indicate more resistance and pressure, but even the trines, sextiles, and quintiles point to a need for relinquishing negative attachments.
So the fundamental question surrounding a Pluto aspect is: What kind of falseness and attachment can the planet aspecting Pluto represent? After you answer this, Pluto's demolition ball comes into clear focus. Any planet aspecting Pluto becomes extra-samsaric* until it is purified and enlightened, reconnected with the true source of Power. This is because ego will use this planet in its service, like the classic movie scenario of the bad guy who grabs the innocent victim to protect itself from the police, the upholders of the Law.
So what might the Moon cling to? Family. The past. Relationships. Home. Village. Pets. Stuff. Mom. Dad. Husband. Wife. Kids. A notion that things should be peaceful and harmonious. A desire for 'The American Dream.' (pardon me, non US-ians)
Any planet aspecting Pluto becomes defensive. Any planet aspecting Pluto becomes an intensified facet of ego until it finally gives in to the eventual and the Ultimate. Any planet can be used by the ego. When Pluto aspects any planet, that planet becomes the battleground of self versus Self, ignorance versus wisdom, delusion versus awakening.
So when Moon and Pluto collide, the ego begins to cling to the above items, hoping to fend off the inevitability of change and the realization that the little-self is not in control. This is ego trying to prove Truth to be false. Pluto then swings into action to expose this defensive move on the part of the ego. What is held will surely be stripped away. Hopefully the mind, and the desire for what can never be, will eventually surrender and give up the illusions. Then a new possibility is born: razor-sharp clarity in knowing what is false and addictive clinging, and what is not. Then one can lead others out of unnecessary suffering brought on by grasping onto externalized dreams, and into true peace, which is fundamentally internal.
I think Moon-Pluto is perhaps the most obvious illustration of this spiritual battleground because the Moon can be so samsaric, or addicted to the projected 'external' world and its inherent fluctuations. Venus-Pluto can certainly be another obvious illustration.
(*) samsara/samsaric - Buddhist terms denoting the unenlightened life
Gettin' serious on ya,
Moses
http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2009/02/20/moon-pluto-the-gathering-storm/
The key understanding here is that Plutonic energies are brought to bear on lunar qualities in the life; which can have a number of dramatic effects, dependent as ever upon the evolvement of the subject and to some extent too the house and sign of the contacts. Our understanding of aspects especially leads us to an understanding of first principles: the conjunction is the most innate and in some sense therefore the most seemingly intrinsic blend and here most especially the sign and house become of paramount consideration. The Pluto in Scorpio generation will no doubt create a slew of individuals with this effect in serious overdrive, in Libra relationship themes will predominate, and Virgo might display extreme pragmatism as an obvious outlet for this combination. The particular nature of the aspect however is not especially key in my view, since in reality, all aspects are squares with the most marked difference between them being for the most part subjective. Moon square Pluto individuals might struggle more in themselves with the discomfort of the aspect, and their expression of it will therefore be more apparently stressed, but the impetus is just the same as it is for the trine or the conjunction.
Moon Pluto creates anything but milk and water types, their best qualities are self-sufficiency and an ability to stand alone, these natives are tough, resilient to the nth degree and too they are tough on themselves, as we shall see during the course of this discussion.
Let us begin with the simple observation that Pluto is murderous and implacable. This has to do of course with the birth-death-rebirth archetype of the Scorpio principle, one that is engendered in Persephone (Proserpina) the maiden-wife of her uncle who raped and stole her away to Tartarus thus incurring the wrath of Ceres. Every 6 months Proserpina is reborn and reunited with her mother and the crops grow again until harvest and winter whereupon she descends once more into the underworld to be with her husband. Similarly then, there is a cyclic quality to anything that Pluto touches and holds in his power; a thing must be killed before it can be reborn. The rebirth allows an evolvement too, so, perhaps in an ongoing facsimile of the karmic cycle, the killing is enacted in order that something improved might take its place, very much like the phoenix rising from the ashes of what went before. The phoenix too is blind, hinting at the compulsive quality of the cycle, we are very often blind to these same compulsive effects, and it takes a rare honesty and courage to face up to the Plutonic heart which beats life into our darker motives. Here though, the Moon, an already fluctuating and oft-times obscured energy in the psyche is combined with this dark impetus: the emotions must be killed too, especially at times of great distress and this occurs simply because – supercharged as they are by Hadean force – they would otherwise be overwhelming. The double edged sword of Pluto combinations is again revealed, the very power that generates such intensity becomes itself a source of threat and menace, it is as though the force is too great to be integrated, so it is partially absorbed and then one must shy away at the last so as not to be burned in the ensuing conflagration.
This creates a facility for emotional amputation that is the dark-side of a habitually intense, passionate and rich emotional life. For the most part, the native with Moon-Pluto contacts can experience even the minutiae of life in a strangely profound manner, but when there is serious anguish or confrontation, most especially within close or family relationships, the manner which once seemed remarkable for its passion and connectedness becomes suddenly cold, distant and aloof. This is simply the drowning point of Plutonic feeling where the native cannot allow the emotions to run any higher, so a facility has developed to forgo them completely. In almost every case this relates back to the mother, in keeping with the lunar quality and usually there is a sense that the mother in some way used a subtle form of emotional manipulation to try and control the child, perhaps by withholding affection to ensure compliance. The problem however is that the child, learning in a more fundamental manner than any adult can hope to emulate becomes even better at sealing off the emotional side of their nature than the parent; in any case, the relationship with the mother is always likely to be difficult. This might manifest in a number of ways. It could be the case that the mother is seen as being unusually powerful or intense or even cruel, or in some other way she embodies a Plutonic principle; often she may have survived some difficulty in her own life and herein lies a further observation about Moon-Pluto, issues of survival become manifest. Most often this can be seen to operate at a number of levels, and it may be experienced through outside agents (most especially with the opposition) or it could even be self-inflicted.
Consider the themes of Moon and create from them a sense of struggle for survival, and a propensity to Spartanism (a key tenet of Pluto) the mother therefore might not be especially nurturing. The same can be said for those with Moon in Pluto’s domicile, Scorpio and also his house, the 8th. Very often children with these placements are made to ‘make do’ or suffer some form of privation that sets them apart from others. One friend of mine with a strong Moon-Pluto configuration was always forced to make do with the cheapest school shoes and soccer boots, such that they hurt his feet because they were so cheap and poorly made. His mother saw the cost of good shoes as a waste of money since he would only grow out of them anyway. This seemingly trivial economy belies the normal priorities for a mother at least in the eyes of the child: the mother is supposed to consider the welfare, happiness and comfort of the child as being of paramount importance and yet here is a subtle message that the child is undervalued, not worth the expense and not very well nurtured.
This lesson is often taken to heart too.
Lindaland
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