posted June 13, 2011 01:10 PM            

I have a very visual mind, y'see, I have a better view over the whole thing when I see the chart.

I have to say, can't promise anything, after all I know absolutely nothing about him except for what you've shared, but since I'm taking a break from my french at the moment, I do have the time to focus on it!

posted June 13, 2011 01:41 PM            

Well, I'm "playing" around with his chart a bit, set it to make his rising conjunct to Mercury. I noticed it would also conjunct Venus, which could explain the Libra influence people have mentioned here

The position I have his rising on now, gives 25° Aquarius, inbetween Venus and Mercury, and puts Venus in the 12th house...

That's what I'm looking at so far, just going to check now to see if the descriptions fit what you've said about him so far!

posted June 13, 2011 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Jounia:
hmmm, maybe shy came from the initial language barrier.....

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That could make sense. It probably also depends on how well he knows the language you interact in.

If I speak french to someone, they might think I'm shy too. Anyway, I'm still looking and "meditating" on it (don't ask ) I will have to put all that is said about him together and meditate on that a bit. Again, don't ask ~ I have very strange methods. Might have something to do with my Pallas in Pisces in an Aqua-ruled 3rd house.

Oh, speaking of houses! I might be able to find something that way! So another wee question begs: do you have an idea of which things he values most in life? That might be somewhat of a help

posted June 13, 2011 02:05 PM            

The thing that also strikes me is the reason why he thinks he's born in the morning. That could mean he was born after sunrise, which would put his sun in either 12th house or 11th house. So, did his mother tell him it was morning, and what did she base that on? The clock or the vista?

I know, I ask too many questions

posted June 13, 2011 02:19 PM            

I do honestly believe, that his heart is not in it with this woman.

a bit of a mess.

posted June 13, 2011 02:22 PM            

I really don't know why he thinks that... I just listen to what he says and the questions pop in to my head when he's gone!

I'll have to ask him again.

posted June 13, 2011 02:36 PM            

First of all, my heart is saying that he should be honest with this woman because if he isn't, he'll end up not being happy but in the end someone is going to get hurt anyway. But I value honesty a great deal myself and I always advice that to others

But we're really here to guess his rising! If he would be Cappy rising, he would be born very early on in the morning - technically still morning, but it would still have been dark. That's why I was curious to know why he thought he was born in the morning and whether that idea was based on the clock or the horizon

If you both have an earth rising and a water sun, might but doesn't necessarily mean that you would act similar. You could have your sun in a completely differently influenced house (for example, yours might be in airy 7th while his is in earthy 2nd) and in being there, give an entirely different vibe to the house.

I was playing with the idea of positioning house rulers, and after having mentioned the situation with his "partner" I'm starting to think that his 7th house ruler in 1st could be somewhat on the mark. He seems to be sacrificing himself a bit for the greater good there. It even fits well with it being in Pisces. I'll have a check with the Moon (for Cappy rising's 7th house ruler) and compare them. And maybe go through all of the already suggested risings. Now we have an idea of what his "love" life looks like, that should be a bit easier.

posted June 13, 2011 02:51 PM            

Going back to the Libra rising theory... I've just read this somewhere
"Very often the person with Libra rising will rush into all sorts of unsuitable relationships on the basis that any partner is better than no partner. The notorious sun sign Libran tendency to be in love with love is however spiced with a lively sexuality when Libra rises, and an altogether more 'worldly' outlook on life. Naturally charming and gentle, these people do however tend to take the easy way out of any tricky situations, and can often be prone to self deception."

posted June 13, 2011 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Jounia:
Aya and Baby, I really appreciate this! I think it's all fascinating!

Going back to the Libra rising theory... I've just read this somewhere
"Very often the person with Libra rising will rush into all sorts of unsuitable relationships on the basis that any partner is better than no partner. The notorious sun sign Libran tendency to be in love with love is however spiced with a lively sexuality when Libra rises, and an altogether more 'worldly' outlook on life. Naturally charming and gentle, these people do however tend to take the easy way out of any tricky situations, and can often be prone to self deception."

could be?

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In that case, I'm a Libra rising too!

Sorry, couldn't help it. You know, what he seems to be going through sounds kind of familiar and similar to what I had with my ex, the only difference being that I actually have a child with that ex. But I only stayed with him because he was so in love with me that he couldn't let me go. At least, until I had enough of it. But there were other reasons too why it just couldn't work out...

He could have an air rising though, based on how you described his face. All very narrow-like, right? I'm still thinking perhaps Venus and Mercury conjunct his rising, but I really have to look more deeply into it before I'm going to stick with that - and be more objective.

Would definitely be great if you could find out whether the approximate time of birth is based on the horizon or not, would help a great deal for placing the sun at least So definitely ask him if he knows or has been told if it was still dark or whether the sun was coming up

posted June 13, 2011 10:09 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Annoying. Make him hand over the birth cert/record Well you can possibly give it a 2 hour time frame either way, so look at the signs between 1 am and 5, if you can't get the record I mean. You could also have it rectified. But I think the general window is a 2 hour time frame on both sides.

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Hah! That would make it too easy for us!

Well at least we can exclude everything after sunrise! Leaves us with a lot less options to sift through. And, seeing as he was born in winter, technically, the nights would have lasted longer and it would have felt like morning even if the sun wasn't up.

In which case I can safely exclude Aquarius rising as an option. It might be Capricorn, I'm not going to comment on Sagittarius yet as I mentioned before, I have to stay objective and since I have Sagittarius rising myself... I can already say I don't look much like you described the Pisces though, Jounia

I'm starting to become convinced of Capricorn rising too, now... Will get back to it when I can fully dedicate myself to this mystery. Am on the phone now so all I can do is answer and ponder on the characteristics

posted June 14, 2011 06:54 AM            

Let's look at that.
So, the chartruler of his ASTRO-TWIN (with asc. LEO) is the SUN and... what aspects do their Sun make?

Well, only a square to Neptune (likely in the 5th then), isn't it?
That would/could describe someone who's extremely prone to addiction. Is that the case with his twin? YES, it IS!
Well okay, whether the Sun is the chart-ruler or not, this Sun/Neptune square remains in tact although I guess in the case it's NOT .. less prominent, and I have to admit in his astro-twin's case; there's-nothing-more-noticable than his SUN/NEPTUNE square!

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Okay, next.. if he has a Cap-rising his chartruler would be retro-SATURN (likely in 7th)..
- sextile MOON (about 2'40)
- inconjunct MERCURY (0,05)
- square JUPITER (0'40)
- semi-sextile MARS (1'09)

So euh.. does this fit him to the core?

posted June 14, 2011 07:10 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Yes ofcourse, the ruler of the ascendant is very important...

Let's look at that.
So, the chartruler of his ASTRO-TWIN (with asc. LEO) is the SUN and... what aspects do their Sun make?

Well, only a square to Neptune (likely in the 5th then), isn't it?
That would/could describe someone who's extremely prone to addiction. Is that the case with his twin? YES, it IS!
Well okay, whether the Sun is the chart-ruler or not, this Sun/Neptune square remains in tact although I guess in the case it's NOT .. less prominent, and I have to admit in his astro-twin's case; there's-nothing-more-noticable than his SUN/NEPTUNE square!

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Okay, next.. if he has a Cap-rising his chartruler would be retro-SATURN (likely in 7th)..
- sextile MOON (about 2'40)
- inconjunct MERCURY (0,05)
- square JUPITER (0'40)
- semi-sextile MARS (1'09)

So euh.. does this fit him to the core?

Other chart-rulers? Ask.

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Ok so, prone to addiction... not sure but he does seems to turn to alcohol quite often to drown his sorrows as it were... (he's not a raging alki or anyting. I could see the addition thing though... wouldn't rule that out though.

posted June 14, 2011 09:28 AM            

Sometimes there are subtle signs that people are simply prone to addiction. Even if they don't constantly need their addiction of choice, you will notice that there is a slight tendency to not be able to say enough. It might be one more beer/cig/sniff/spliff/whatever and subtly, every time they give in to the drug of choice, they start taking more. Now quite a few people might be prone to addiction, but can contain themselves very well. Honestly, sounds like Pisces is one of those people.

Anyway, I'm going for times of day between 0° Sagittarius and 29°59' Capricorn rising. If he says he was born around 3, and like Lonake said, we go 2 hours both ways, 1 am is a few degrees into Sag. I tried midnight and it gave Scorpio rising but even though it's not entirely impossible, it seems to be very unlikely that he would happen to have a Scorpio rising and be born in the first 16 minutes of the day, especially when he suspects it's nearer to 3 am

I'm looking at 3 charts now: 1 for 0° Sagittarius rising, 1 for 3 am with 3°23' Capricorn rising, and 1 for 29°59' Capricorn rising. To give you an idea what I'm looking at now. Going to compare planetary placements now!

If it helps, the way you described him, it made his face look kind of boney... Kind of says Capricorn to me, again. I'll try to find a picture of what I imagined his face to look like (or somewhat) and you tell me if it looks at least a bit like him or not!

posted June 14, 2011 09:39 AM            

Which one sounds like him? (regarding Chiron)

1: If you don't have any brothers or sisters, you may experience this Chiron placement as a lack, a hole in your life. If you do, then there could be continual problems with at least one sibling. This is a good placement for a voice coach or speech therapist. It is likely that you will be able to teach others to speak better than you do. This placement tends to increase the chance of communication problems of one sort or another. No, it does not guarantee a speech defect. Instead, there could be problems with making oneself understood. In some cases, this could indicate that one wasn't listened to as a child. That could trigger a lifelong quest to "make others listen to me." However, no matter how much they do, there is frequently a feeling that "they are still not listening." The problem is that no matter how much they listen to you now, it doesn't get rid of the pain you felt in childhood when they didn't. Mercury/Chiron stress aspects are likely to produce the same result. Recognizing this is a first step to leaving the pain behind.

2: Well, just about everyone had some trouble or other in childhood with their parents. Chiron in this house will just make it a little more noticeable. The home itself would tend to be an issue here. Perhaps one is so busy outside the home that they cannot spend much time there, or their work forces them to travel and be away frequently. The father is more likely to have been chronically ill, away from home, or emotionally unavailable. Perhaps there could be a "don't feel at home anywhere" attitude. Chiron in this house might work out in other ways as well. This placement could conceivably show a person who can help everyone else with their home, while their own place is a wreck.

3: If you need romantic advice, go to someone who has Chiron in this house. Please don't ask them about their own love life, as that would embarrass them. You can also go to people who have this placement for advise on children, sports and games, gambling, and the stock market. Realistically, one does have to look at the rest of the chart because, after all, about one out of twelve people have this Chiron. And you wouldn't, of course, ask a five-year old who had it for advise. But this placement is generally good for counseling in those areas. Just remember to do as they say, but don't do as they do. Chiron in this house can make for folks who are great coaches, helping players to perform better than they themselves could. It could also show people who are great with kids, but either have chronic troubles with their own, or have none of their own. This can be an indicator that you can train your children to be happier and more successful than you ever could. Watch out though. If Chiron is afflicted, you will drive your kids to succeed in the areas that you would have liked to succeed in but that they don't really like at all. The most frustrating one is the great lover who can always satisfy their partner better than they themselves could be satisfied.