posted June 24, 2011 06:47 AM            

It’s very likely you’ll have strong synastry if the music affects you so much. It’s an amazing thing I’ve noticed with astrology from since I began studying it; I remember my friend having a huge crush on a footballer what do you know; he has Mars conjunct her Venus, Venus to Moon contacts etc. Chemistry is palpable through many mediums it seems.

If you feel this guy’s Ascendant touching your Jupiter then chances are you’re correct. Of course there is the consideration that when somebody is in the public eye, what we would usually be picking up as the Ascendant (should we meet them face to face) is sometimes the projection to the audience i.e. the MC.

I think you may be over-emphasising Mercury there though you know. I have a friend who has Mercury one degree away from mine, does she sing like me? Not at all! My voice is represented by Venus in Capricorn in 3rd House, ruling Ascendant square Uranus.

posted June 24, 2011 01:42 PM            

I do make the connection to Mercury too quickly because to me, Mercury means speech, talking, and everything involved. But if you think about it, singing is something with aesthetic value and probably belongs to Venus more than it does to Mercury.

Whether my voice "feels" like Andrea's voice I can't say. Some people have mentioned the two voices sound an awful lot alike, but admittedly, my lack of vocal training and practice singing in public does show compared to her more professional voice; it shows that she makes her money performing music and that I do not. There's not really any pressure on my part to perform of course - but like many artists, she has had a vocal coach to train her voice as well, so it's hard to tell if what I lack is not something that can be overcome with some professional vocal training. Apart from that we do have the same soft, "sweet" tone to our voices and at times it does become very hard to keep the voices apart.

On my off days, I admit, you can hear a difference between my voice and hers though (I really suspect it's due to my lack of decent vocal training)

Anyway, if she would have Pisces moon as I suspect, she would be born in the morning. Sadly enough there's no real time of birth known of her - or most of her siblings. Interestingly, Caroline Corr (the only sister who hasn't gone solo ) has mentioned her time of birth in interviews before. Also interestingly, Sharon Corr has a similar voice to Andrea's, but it's much stronger. You can actually hear the strength in her voice compared to Andrea's voice. It's interesting because Sharon happens to be an Aries sun. Not sure about the rest of her chart though...

Will go back to the drawing board and start looking at some charts

posted June 25, 2011 02:22 PM            

I recently discovered a new band whose music has a similar effect on me (instant attraction) but now I ask myself... When there's an entire band involved, would you have to look at the composite of all the band members involved (which I thought was impossible, no?) or just look at who actually wrote the music?

posted June 29, 2011 08:36 AM            

Well what I was referring to was the 3rd House. I’ve looked up some examples of famous singers, known for their distinctive voices (all data available on the web) just to illustrate:

Jim Morrison (Aries on 3rd House cusp, Pluto ruling MC, Mars-Uranus conjunct sextile Pluto) note Pluto conjunct DC

Tom Waits (Pisces on 3rd House cusp, Neptune in Libra conjunct MC from 10th House) note Mercury conjunct ASC square Saturn-Mars conjunction

David Bowie (Libra on 3rd House cusp, Venus conjunct MC from 9th House) – also note Moon-Saturn-Pluto conjunct DC

John Lennon (Gemini on 3rd House cusp, Capricorn on MC cusp – Mercury opposes Saturn-Jupiter conjunction from 7th to 1st Houses) also note Sun conjunct DC

Freddie Mercury (Libra on 3rd House cusp, Taurus on MC cusp. Venus – ruler of both houses in 3rd House, conjunct Jupiter)

Elvis Presley (Aquarius on 3rd House cusp, Virgo on MC cusp. Uranus square Sun-Mercury-Venus-Node conjunction) also note Saturn-Moon conjunct in 3rd House.

Can you see the theme here?

The ruler of the 3rd House is connected to the MC, or the MC ruler in all these charts. The planets on the angles or in very close contact to the angles are very clear in the style of these singers and their music also.

posted June 29, 2011 09:27 AM            

I believe it was something about him having Mercury in the 3rd house or something similar. Or Venus ruling the 3rd house. My apologies if I'm completely off, I honestly don't know his chart and it's been far too long since I wrote that case study. I can't even remember which book I had it from. Or, at all, if I still have that book.

Then, I've also read something about Venus being looked at for aesthetic purposes since music is a form of aestheticism.

Also, I believe it's Bob Marks's site which also suggests that Pallas in Pisces could have quite some artistic talent. Not sure what to make of that, seeing as that is where my Pallas Athene happens to be.

Anyway, I know I shouldn't do this, but in my case: Aqua on 3rd house cusp and Virgo on 10th house cusp, Mercury and Uranus do happen to be conjunct and also conjunct to my Asc (though it must be said, Uranus just made it, it is just under 10 degrees orb ) --- It gives interesting potential especially since it has been one of my dreams to become a professional musician I do say potential though, because you can have the most breath-taking voice (no pun intended) and still do nothing with it, and just imagine how many people have similar patterns in their charts as the musicians you pointed out, and never became famous (but might have the potential of course! )

In Mick Flannery's case, his 3rd house would be ruled by Mars (or at least if his rising is Capricorn) and 10th house would be Scorpio, and depending on how you see rulership, they are either the same planet, or simply not at all aspected to one another (Mars is 6 degrees in Libra and Pluto at 1 degree Scorpio)

So, back to the drawing board? What do you think?

PS: I use topocentric house system - not too different from Placidus

posted June 29, 2011 10:08 AM            

Pavarotti 3rd house cusp Libra, MC Taurus, Venus ruler of both in 1st house conjunct Neptune (in the 2nd) and like you say Mercury (and Sun) in 3rd House. He fits the profile as the others. In fact his house cusps are the same as Freddie Mercury, also opera trained.

I haven¡¦t seen the topcentric house system, you know how you become accustomed and happy with one and never look around? I¡¦ve used placidus from the start and it works for me¡K ƒº

Interesting that your chart fits the profile for singing, of course 3rd house can also be about writing, neighbourhood focus and social activity to some degree. I agree though it¡¦s not always how GOOD your voice is, you know it¡¦s often about how distinctive it is, also how you perform, who with, where and timing etc. too. Being famous has a certain amount of luck and a certain amount of fate to it.

I would regard myself as a singer though, simply because it¡¦s something I do regularly and I¡¦m known to do so. My 3rd House cusp is Sagittarius, MC cusp is Cancer.

My Sun-Jupiter-Mercury conjunction (wide but in effect), trine Saturn-Moon, trine Ascendant-Uranus and Venus in 3rd House conjunct IC. It fits an astrologer profile too

posted June 29, 2011 10:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Yes, ma'am. Also pay attention to their delivery. Scorpio would prob snarl their words through their teeth in an effort to make themselves look formidable and then try to conceal themselves while on stage and think 'why is everyone looking at me' lol (can't think of any scorp rising singers right now).

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posted June 29, 2011 01:17 PM            

I knew it must have been something like that with Pavarotti. I think the point to the article (well, piece in that book) was that how planets as houses' rulers in the 1st house could amplify their talents or influence their career choices.

Anyway, my chart (including all the asteroids and Eris, for good measure ):

posted June 29, 2011 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by sand:
i think bob dylan is a scorpio rising. at least i've read it somewhere. well he used to have that poofy hair, wore dark sunglasses alot, and sings through his teeth.

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I believe I've seen that too, actually. But the database I have lists him as Sagittarius rising...

Anyway, what I also wanted to put out there: with classical composers, the vocal thing doesn't fly anymore, but they're no less musical... What house would that be? Still the same?

posted July 01, 2011 08:45 AM            

Sun-Saturn
Ascendant-Mercury-Uranus
Descendant-Moon-Chiron
Venus-Neptune

I can see you’ve been torn in many directions, you have a lot of talents and abilities, though the Sun-Saturn in the 12th will hold back your recognition of such. The upside of Saturn’s high standards of course is that you will put in more effort than most.

I get an impression of you working in ‘normal’ jobs whilst wanting to take a more creative and bohemian path through life? (Jupiter ruling 1st, in Capricorn PEREGRINE!)

You do have an immensely creative reserve however, there is a lovely humour and wit which comes with a Mercury-Uranus conjunction, and Venus-Neptune needs escape and so will create fantasy worlds either visually, artistically or musically. An inner world of utopia to step into when the outside world becomes ugly is necessity and so a Venus-Neptune native will always have a well developed imagination. This is a good placement for working with Film too of course.

(Uranus is TV – you have both powerfully connected – why do I have the feeling that you have Libra MC instead of Virgo?!!)

The Moon-Chiron on the angle is lovely too, what compassion you have. Chiron is exalted in Gemini; the only sign in which there is a desire to discuss your deepest darkest fears. It’s the daylight being shed on those hidden areas which helps them to be integrated into the pysche and brought to the higher octave ~which is about being loving to others; understanding humanity well enough to realise the pains that people carry within their souls..

It’s a very interesting chart Aya, there are many potential life paths for you. Singing works, you are very visual too, visionary almost. If you do write try to integrate this into your work either with illustrations or by building this element into your descriptions.

As for your question about musicians and what house one would look to… well you see… I’d look to Venus and Neptune here but for writers of music Mercury and Uranus. It’s easy to say voice is 3rd House, as the first 6 houses of the chart are personal, physical but a musical instrument ISN:T personal or physical. It’s is an external creation that one must master and merge with to some degree.

posted July 01, 2011 10:24 AM            

But if you look at the IC/MC axis, the rulers IC Neptune/MC Mercury just fit me better than IC Mars/MC Venus.

Also when speaking of IC, the Pisces IC just fits my choice of home better than Aries IC would. I do move a lot (but my Neptune is in Sagittarius, so travelling is indicated, whereas my Mars in Capricorn would suggest a very stable and long term housing, which is HARDLY the case with me, quite the opposite actually) and if you look at my choice of housing, I have a thing for the unconventional, and always seem to lean towards homes where "boundaries" (of rooms, for example) are unclear or gone (at the moment I live in a studio with a mezzanine for a bedroom, before that it was a studio, before that... Well, you get my drift). I'm also drawn towards romantic houses (my current abode is a 16th century house, along with old oak door and oak beams adorning the place) and so on and so on...

Like I mentioned before, except for the place where I live now (lived here for 3 years) I haven't been able to live at one place for more than one year and I STILL have a dream of owning some kind of home which can just travel along with me (practically not really possible though). Up to now, I've probably moved about 25 times in my entire life. Interesting side-note, my mother has her IC ruler in Sagittarius as well and she was always the one who prompted our family to move house, every odd year it seems.

It all just suits Neptune in Sagittarius better than it does Mars in Capricorn, no?

Anyway, moving swiftly on... yeah - I do feel that Saturn is holding me back, but on the other hand almost makes me into a perfectionist. I cannot begin to count the amount of stories I've thrown away because they were "not good enough" after reviewing and correcting them time and time again. I always managed to find some mistake or fault somewhere... With my singing, Saturn is holding me back by constantly reminding me that my voice isn't professional enough and that won't get people to listen to me. In response, I of course keep on training my voice as good as I can, but of course Saturn always finds fault in it still

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I get an impression of you working in ‘normal’ jobs whilst wanting to take a more creative and bohemian path through life? (Jupiter ruling 1st, in Capricorn PEREGRINE!)

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BINGO! I've been known to write songs or stories (the latter in my head, otherwise I'd be spending more time writing than working) at work, dreaming about being an artist instead. But money has to come in somehow. So a day job is required. At least until I find a way to establish myself in the artistic business of my choice. That's the way my mind works.

I do have a huge imagination and believe me, I love spending time in it! The vastness of my imagination amazes me every time. I am also indeed a visual person. Visionary, I can't say, but certainly visual.

Thanks for the insight, it was pretty much spot on!

About composers: interesting thought. We could use Debussy as an example perhaps, his birth data is known. I might have the data of some others in my database as well, give me time to find them though (there's too much information in said database I'm afraid! )

So it would be Venus, Neptune and 9th house: Debussy has Aries 9th house, with Mars being there too, in Aries and 9th house. He also has Pluto conjunct his MC, interestingly... His Venus is in 12th house (1 point for the impressionistic style of his music! ) and in Leo. His Neptune is also in Aries, like his 9th house, but it's in 8th house, trine his Venus for good measure! Coming back to Mars, his 9th house ruler, it is square his Cancer moon (another point for the emotiveness he seemed to put into his music, I honestly get a "watery" feel from his music, but I admit, mostly Piscean feel though) and trine his Ascendant.

Last but not least, his MC is in Taurus, which makes Venus his MC ruler. But not just that, Venus is also his 3rd house ruler apparently.

Now, Debussy's music is impressionistic, but I can't help the feeling that the style of his music was influenced by the trends of those days. I mean, we have to remember that he was active in the period when musical impressionism was at its height. So we could wonder, was he just following trends or was it really the music he wanted to compose? All things said, you can't deny there's something magical about his compositions.

(Does it show that I'm a big fan of Debussy's work? )