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Aya_and_baby
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posted June 15, 2011 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, ever since I first heard his music I've been fascinated by Mick Flannery - for those who don't know him: One of his songs

It is not that fascination that started me thinking about what is said in the title, but rather the fact that in this case the guy is a very humble musician. The song itself already shows how he feels about being in the spotlights, and besides that he is said to be very shy and doesn't like to talk about himself much. Yet, his music lays his soul bare.

Now THAT got me thinking. If a musician pours his heart and soul in his music, surely you will find hints of the musician's personality in it?

So, if you only had the songs and of course the birth date of the musician to go by, and only going by personality, do you think you could guess someone's rising?

Alternatively, would the same thing be possible with authors of fiction? I've noticed you find a lot of the author's personality in their works, too...

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posted June 16, 2011 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lonake     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, ma'am. Also pay attention to their delivery. Scorpio would prob snarl their words through their teeth in an effort to make themselves look formidable and then try to conceal themselves while on stage and think 'why is everyone looking at me' lol (can't think of any scorp rising singers right now). Leo would dramatise and at the end make it look like 'no big deal, anyone can be fabulous like me' (Celine Dion, Alanis Morisette). Pisces would prob sing like they were kissing the mike, all goo goo gah gah over it, and then you'd worry if you needed a tissue to pass over to them in case they completely lost it (gwyneth paltrow). Virgo would be balls on, every detail attended to perfect presentation, the kind of singer that hits the right note at the first recording session most of the time even if others are knocking them for their voice (Madonna). Aquarius would emphasize all those who helped in the production, all their special guests and be big on the 'thank yous' in their cd pamphlets, etc.

"Now THAT got me thinking. If a musician pours his heart and soul in his music, surely you will find hints of the musician's personality in it?" Yea, if he has a direct hand in writing the lyrics tho. If someone else does it then he's pretty much just a mouthpiece no matter if he goes along with the frame of mind or not.

"Alternatively, would the same thing be possible with authors of fiction? I've noticed you find a lot of the author's personality in their works, too..." A bit harder since you won't see them in action as much, but I think you could at least guess element.

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posted June 16, 2011 03:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anglerfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Now THAT got me thinking. If a musician pours his heart and soul in his music, surely you will find hints of the musician's personality in it?

So, if you only had the songs and of course the birth date of the musician to go by, and only going by personality, do you think you could guess someone's rising?


I think you can to a point if they are pronounced or their chart hits your chart in some way.

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posted June 16, 2011 03:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont know about Flannery but one of my fav. artists, Jared Leto, has Aries rising, and moon.. (and a whole lot of sag elsewhere) and you can sence that he is made of fire, hell most of his songs have the word "FIRE" in them..

sometimes i wonder if he's into astrology since one of his songs is titled "Capricorn" (which also happens to be his sun sign) and his band is called "30 Seconds to MARS" Mars=Aries,
hmmm...

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posted June 16, 2011 05:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snarly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is fascinating for me! I have heard pieces of music that move me so much, and I do wonder what kind of a person could do that. Not much help, I know, but I will be keeping my eyes on this thread!

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posted June 16, 2011 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lonake - I was thinking that myself right after I posted the OP. It's probably not just the contents of the song, or even the atmosphere of the music, but it's how they bring it too, the topics of the songs, whether their music is predominantly gloomy or even upbeat and racy to a degree (Rory Gallagher comes to mind here).

And of course it's important to know whether they wrote the music themselves! Now, Mick Flannery definitely writes his own music, so he would be a good example to try it with. Sadly enough, most pop artists have their music written for them, or are forced to sing songs with the sole purpose of furthering their career up to the top.

My taste in music usually leans towards singer-songwriters so I have a lot of idols I can try this out with

As for the authors - it was actually Kathy Reichs who inspired me there. When you read her novels you can clearly see her personality in almost every word she writes. I can imagine it will be harder with people who are primarly writers... I just can't imagine that James Joyce's Ulysses is a representation of his own personality. If so, he should have been in a mental institution his whole life


Angler - that is an interesting view, too. I'd say it would be much easier if their rising would hit something in your chart

Venus - Mick Flannery is a Sagittarius sun, Virgo moon. His birthday is literally only two days after that of an ex boyfriend of mine, so apart from not knowing the rising, I pretty much know his chart by heart Because his songs are VERY emotionally intense, I'm leaning towards an 8th house moon...

Anyway, isn't 30 seconds to Mars the band that Keanu Reeves used to (or still does?) play in? Or am I completely wrong?


Snarly - thank you for finding this interesting

I have thought the same thing years about about Debussy's music. I actually had his chart somewhere and I still to this day cannot understand how someone who has absolutely no Pisces in him and not much water, or not such a prominent Neptune, can make such surreal music. Then again, it was the "pop" music of his day that he composed: it was all impressionistic in those days... But he was damn good at it.

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posted June 16, 2011 08:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok Aya or anyone.. take a guess!

John's birth time is unknown but what about his Sun & (guaranteed) Moon-sign??

see & listen;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZNr6MOu53E

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posted June 16, 2011 08:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think if you knew a musician or author well from his work, you could tell many placements.

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posted June 16, 2011 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Chaos     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Venus:
I dont know about Flannery but one of my fav. artists, Jared Leto, has Aries rising, and moon.. (and a whole lot of sag elsewhere) and you can sence that he is made of fire, hell most of his songs have the word "FIRE" in them..

sometimes i wonder if he's into astrology since one of his songs is titled "Capricorn" (which also happens to be his sun sign) and his band is called "30 Seconds to MARS" Mars=Aries,
hmmm...



I love 30STM! Didn't know what Jared's rising sign was, only knew he had an Aries Moon...I was pleasantly surprised to find out on Astrotheme that he's Cap/Aries combo, cause that's my Sun & Asc too! And he has a 1st house Moon like me(mine is in Taurus, though), has 3 Sag planets like I do...man, now I like him even more!

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posted June 16, 2011 09:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mir:
Ok Aya or anyone.. take a guess!

John's birth time is unknown but what about his Sun & (guaranteed) Moon-sign??

see & listen;


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZNr6MOu53E


Jesus that's a hard one!

Well, I'm restraining myself from looking up his birthdate so I can focus completely on just the music.

I assume that he writes his own music, since it's not pop music and the market is smaller so it would not make sense to hire a lyricist to write your lyrics... The music and the voice itself kind of made me feel like I was under water, gave me a very surreal feeling, so obviously I'm going to go for Pisces or Neptune influences here. The lyrics themselves have something philosophical about them, but not sure if it's Pisces wisdom or Sagittarius philosophy.

That's just based on the video you shared with us, because in the mean time I've been searching for other songs of his. The one I'm listening to now is completely different, more grounded... Makes me think Earth, but I can still kind of see some sort of Piscean wisdom in his lyrics - you know, spirituality rather than the Sagittarian dogma He sounds like a poet. But his voice in the song I'm listening to sounds an awful lot like Eagle Eye Cherry's voice...


Hmmm... Hard. I'm sensing mostly Water and Earth. I'm going to be so disappointed if he turns out to be an Aries with Aquarius moon...

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posted June 16, 2011 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Couldn't stop myself from checking anyway and boy... I wasn't far off! I'm happy now I guessed at least one influence!

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posted June 16, 2011 12:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Lol yea.. a hard one! And sooo obvious a Pisces (Aqua-Moon doesn't surprise me) .. well if someone's able to give you such an underwater feeling while in fact being soo down-to-earth... it has to be Pisces!

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posted June 16, 2011 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Anglerfish:
I think you can to a point if they are pronounced or their chart hits your chart in some way.



I'm using this now to see if I can find Mick Flannery's rising.

Based on his strong emotional feel I'm suspecting a 8th house moon, and his gloomy appearance makes me think there's Capricorn involved there somewhere.


Now if he would have Capricorn rising it can only hit either my Jupiter or my Mars. Since Jupiter is my chart's ruler perhaps that would be the more likely option, I think?

His music definitely does do something to me something which I honestly can't describe. Seeing that, there must be a connection between his chart and mine somewhere, right?


(Interestingly, his music does more to me when he sings it in Irish rather than English... )


This is fun!

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posted June 19, 2011 03:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anglerfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Anglerfish:
I think you can to a point if they are pronounced or their chart hits your chart in some way.



Let me give an example...

Tuomas Holopainen of Nightwish has
His Venus cj my NN(Aqua)
His Saturn cj my SN(Leo)
His NN (Scorpio) 1 deg trine my sun(pisces) and my jupiter(cancer)
He defintely is a Pisces moon and I have a hunch this is cj my sun too.

NOW... I *think* he may be a cancer rising purely because the Pisces is quite strong in him and it would make sense if that was his chart ruler...

Just my 2 cents... if you don't have the birthtime...

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posted June 19, 2011 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anglerfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
whoops I meant to go edit mah spellingz lol... ;P

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posted June 19, 2011 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstrologicalMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could you guess my Ascendant through my music?
www.soundcloud.com/nibirunon

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posted June 19, 2011 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AstroMan, I'm definitely going to try (and ignore the fact that I've seen your rising being mentioned somewhere before )

I already told you that the one song I heard from you had something Saturnian/plutonian - but that can be anything influencing it, from a heavy 8th/10th house to a stellium in Scorpio/Capricorn, or one of the luminaries in either sign or conjunct either Saturn or Pluto...

I'll have to seriously think about this.


It does seem that Anglerfish has a very valid point here, and that it would be easier to pin point a musician's rising, or indeed their chart, when there are some strong points in synastry.

I was doing that a few days before and noticed that Mick Flannery and I have an awful lot of strong and tight synastry aspects! Within 1° even! (on the other hand, since he was born only 2 days after an ex of mine, I already know that that doesn't always turn out well, but most aspects I have with Flannery, I also had with that ex... But I'd say even if it isn't on a physical level and only between Artist and Fan, there is still a strong connection there... even if Mick has never heard about me and if he hears how fascinated I am by him, he probably doesn't even want to know me )


I'm going to check with a few other favourite artists of mine in the mean time, too. Well, their charts anyway. See if anything there makes a lot of strong connections too

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posted June 21, 2011 08:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Chaos:

I love 30STM! Didn't know what Jared's rising sign was, only knew he had an Aries Moon...I was pleasantly surprised to find out on Astrotheme that he's Cap/Aries combo, cause that's my Sun & Asc too! And he has a 1st house Moon like me(mine is in Taurus, though), has 3 Sag planets like I do...man, now I like him even more!

im watching them in concert on the 15th of July! cant wait!!!!!

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posted June 21, 2011 08:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AstrologicalMan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
30 Seconds to Boring, wouldn't be anything without Jared Leto's face. The only reason anyone cares about them is because he looks good. The music is blah. That is why most people like "music" now a days. They like the "music" because of what the singer looks like.

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posted June 22, 2011 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Venus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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30 Seconds to Boring, wouldn't be anything without Jared Leto's face. The only reason anyone cares about them is because he looks good. The music is blah. That is why most people like "music" now a days. They like the "music" because of what the singer looks like.

Jared Leto is charming but he is not "good looking" i love the guy but he's short, skinny, and has creepy icy blue eyes, he is not exactly Mr. America..

the music and lyrics are wonderful, they are not empty and meaningless like the popular songs these days, u need to scratch your head to get it though.. and if someone finds jared attractive it would be a testiment of how talent can effect people's judgment.

.. why do i feel like we turned this thread to a 30stm discussion?! sorry Aya

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posted June 22, 2011 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anglerfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by AstrologicalMan:
30 Seconds to Boring, wouldn't be anything without Jared Leto's face. The only reason anyone cares about them is because he looks good. The music is blah. That is why most people like "music" now a days. They like the "music" because of what the singer looks like.

I agree.

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posted June 22, 2011 05:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for snarly     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, guys, what about this lovely lady?

I've put up a photo, as her music is so diverse from song to song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQkG-tIsRB4

and:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uco-2V4ytYQ

I know she is a Taurus sun and Pisces moon, but can anyone guess her asc?

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posted June 22, 2011 07:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mick Flannerty looks and reads like a Capricorn Rising from the outside.

"If asked, Mick adamantly refuses to talk about himself. The best you’ll get from him on any given day is, maybe, an admission that he’s a bit “grumpy”, he enjoys a good game of poker, and he’d love to own a Gibson® ES-335."

Sounds very Saturnine to me As for reading Ascendants from songs hmmmn. Interesting question, I have many sing-songwriter friends {am one myself} and I wouldn't really say they write like their Ascendants specifically.

As for Jared Leto, I didn't know he was Aries Rising, is the Moon conjunct the Ascendant?? Those are very watery eyes, I'm guessing Neptune connects to the Ascendant too? I would say his VIDEOS are extremely Aries!!

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posted June 23, 2011 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mick Flannerty looks and reads like a Capricorn Rising from the outside.

"If asked, Mick adamantly refuses to talk about himself. The best you’ll get from him on any given day is, maybe, an admission that he’s a bit “grumpy”, he enjoys a good game of poker, and he’d love to own a Gibson® ES-335."

Sounds very Saturnine to me As for reading Ascendants from songs hmmmn. Interesting question, I have many sing-songwriter friends {am one myself} and I wouldn't really say they write like their Ascendants specifically.

As for Jared Leto, I didn't know he was Aries Rising, is the Moon conjunct the Ascendant?? Those are very watery eyes, I'm guessing Neptune connects to the Ascendant too? I would say his VIDEOS are extremely Aries!!


That's what I thought, too

Interesting, I never met such a Saturnine person before... I met Cappies before, of course, but none had that real Saturnine feel... and I think my Saturn conjunct Sun likes that!

His songs are all quite dark as well. Apparenty his idol is Tom Waits, but Waits is rumoured to have a Sagittarius rising (and Sun, I believe) and there is that sense of playfulness and humour in his songs, while really each and every song I've heard of Mick Flannery all have this deep and dark feel to them. That kind of made me think Capricorn rising straight away.


I've been playing around with putting his rising on my Jupiter (which also happens to be in Capricorn) because of the effect that his songs seem to have on me. The synastry from that is pretty interesting though - it puts my Sun in his 10th house (Maybe that means I have to buy his CD's to further his career ) among many, many other things.


Anyway, I really have to start looking into connections between the charts of other musicians that I love and my own.

Among those, by the way, is an interesting case: apparently I have nearly the exact same singing voice as Andrea Corr, but she has Mercury in a completely different position. I wonder if there's something I'm overlooking. Also, she is born on a Moon cusp day, but I strongly suspect her Moon to be in Pisces because of the nature of her music (well, she does write a lot of her music herself, even if what she sings is pop music)


And Venus, don't worry about it. It is a thread about musicians after all, not about Mick Flannery Any discussion about musicians is fine of course!

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posted June 23, 2011 09:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
... Interestingly, Tom Waits has his Mercury and rising conjunct my Venus and Neptune. Odd, since I haven't really listened to him anymore for years now. I used to be a big fan of his music too, though!

(I got his chart from... Hell, I don't remember where I got his chart from. I seem to remember I got it off a website with an Astrology programme and they had about 5000 famous people on it as well... I think. It has Bob Geldof in there as well, by the way. Apparently he's a Sagittarius rising, too! )

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