posted July 16, 2011 11:26 PM            

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Originally posted by lunatic:
Moonfish and Lonake, thank you for your replies!

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posted July 17, 2011 12:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Coffee:
The 6th is the stage before a marriage (7th) so a aspect with both these shows that the marriage never gets going. Just like a virgin would show as 7th and 8th house ruler aspects.

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posted July 17, 2011 01:19 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Coffee, why do you say WITH aspects show the marriage never get's going, instead of NO aspects?

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posted July 17, 2011 01:22 AM            

Uranus conjunct the Descendant could be just flat out opposed to marriage.

Pluto conjunct or opposite Venus could be that you lose your partner before you marry.

Capricorn on the 7th could be too many responsibilities to marry.

is any of the above even close Randall?

or a longshot bet would be
if you are a Feb 1962 birth and you are the Anti-Christ

j/k Lonake

Peace Out!

posted July 17, 2011 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Pluto conjunct or opposite Venus could be that you lose your partner before you marry.

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posted July 17, 2011 03:05 AM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
or a longshot bet would be
if you are a Feb 1962 birth and you are the Anti-Christ

j/k Lonake

[b]Peace Out!

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posted July 17, 2011 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Ha ha ha la la

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posted July 17, 2011 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by AriesSun:
Just noticed that isn't it really 9th house when we are actually talking about _marriage_?

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posted July 17, 2011 04:09 AM            

Denial of marriage is possible where there is strong malefic influence to the 7th house, 7th lord, Venus, Jupiter, 2nd house, and 2nd lord

Different combinations for denial of marriage

· If the 7th lord/planets present in 7th house are infant/old age/debilitated/combust/afflicted/weak/in inimical sign

· The lord of 7th house is situated in 6th, 8th or 12th house [inauspicious houses] or in inimical sign without the association of any benefice planet

· The lords of 6th, 8th and 12th houses are in the 7th house

· The lord of 7th house is also the lord of 6th, 8th and 12th house

· Venus combines with Saturn and Mars and situated in 7th house from Moon.

· If the ascendant and 7th lord combines in an inauspicious house the native will not marry at all

· Saturn in Scorpio and Moon aspects it, no marriage

· In male horoscope Moon/Venus occupies Capricorn and Saturn aspect it from an inauspicious house, denotes no marriage

· In the case of female horoscope, Sun/Jupiter occupies Capricorn and the Saturn aspect from an inauspicious house denies married life.

· A very practical combination has been watched over a pretty long time for extremely delayed and denied of marriage is - if Moon-Mars-Ketu [dragon tail] are in a line in a horoscope without having any planets between them

· Two malefic planets in 7th and 12th house and Moon occupies the 5th house

· Venus and Mars combines in 5th/7th/9th houses

BY GEETA JHA [SPIRITUAL HEALER] - INDIA

posted July 17, 2011 07:34 AM            

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The birth of the marriage is the time of the wedding ceremony and an exact chart would be when the couple is pronounced husband and wife.

The wedding chart is constructed just as any other birth chart but is not interpreted in the same way. Marriages have various beginnings and endings. Uranus will show where the urgency existed on the day of the ceremony. Was the wife anxious or was it the husband? Was there another urgency such a pregnancy or need of joint finances? Was the wedding a sudden decision or a long term engagement being culminated?

Progressions are applicable to the wedding chart just as they are to a birth chart and will also vibrate to the Solar Return. Any method of progressions which is workable is applicable.

A wedding is the birth of A PARTNERSHIP, therefore, represents two people as individuals.

1. The first house represents the HUSBAND and what he brings into the marriage and the seventh house represents the wife and what she brings into the marriage UNLESS SHE MADE THE PROPOSAL then the reverse may apply - SHE FIRST, HUSBAND SEVENTH

2. The husband's financial support is shown by the second house of the chart and the eighth house the WIFE'S contribution. Be sure to consider the attitude toward their joint possessions and their spending habits, according to the interpretations of the second and eighth houses, analysing the influence of the sign on the cusps and planets within the sign and the planet ruling the cusp!

3. Communications of the individuals will be shown the THIRD & NINTH HOUSES of the chart. Husbands are described individually by the third and wives by the ninth. Religious philosophy of the family is shown by the ninth house while the third shows the personal philosophy of the wife, because it is her ninth house.

Let it be noted that the husband's conversation (third house) and the wife's teaching, (ninth house) blend to make the religious philosophy of the family.

9. The ninth house describes the officiating clerk of the ceremony, whether it is an elaborate church wedding or a small public office-- either way an elected public authority delegated to perform weddings. Some very interesting wedding charts are made on the scene of hospital rooms, on board ships and in emergency circumstances.

10. Wedding scenes are described by the tenth house of the chart, though the ninth house is the minister, judge, etc. The tenth house also describes the family which will be created by the union.

It has been found that sometimes the fourth house describes the scene, depending upon which side of the family was more prominent for the occasion.

4. The FOURTH house describes the family of the husband and the home provided to the wedding couple. It also describes any hidden problems associated with the children resulting from the union, being the twelfth from the fifth. The fourth is the tenth from the seventh, consequently tells of the wife's public image created by the marriage.

5. CHILDREN are shown by the fifth and step-children are shown by the eleventh. The fifth house also shows how the family will be entertained and how they will use vacations.

11. The eleventh house will show the social life of the family and any creative talents of the wife. If the wedding chart describes a family-owned business the income from that business will be depicted by the eleventh house since it is the second from the tenth.

12. The twelfth house gives light to the hidden thoughts, secrets and potential confinements of the HUSBAND and the sixth house describes the health and work of the husband.

HOUSE REVERSE FOR THE WIFE (six house describes hidden thoughts, secrets and potential confinements of the wife and the twelfth house describes the health and WORK of the wife- SIXTH HOUSE ALSO SHOWS DAILY ROUTINES.

Wherever THE SUN FINDS ITS PLACE IN THE WEDDING CHART shows the ego of the marriage, depending upon the sign and house of its location.

¨ For example, if a wedding takes place locating the Sun in the tenth house, the family will be prominent in some area.

¨ The Sun in the fifth house may find the family active in sports.

¨ The Sun in the fourth house will keep the family at home, maybe active hosts, but at home.

The Moon of any wedding chart describes the daily events in the life of the marriage.

DANGER SIGNALS IN THE WEDDING CHARTS:

Marriages are subject to troublesome times under the cycle of Saturn just as an individual is. The third year is critical because Saturn is then 15 degrees from its position at the time of the wedding and from there the years are; seven, twenty-one, twenty-eight, thirty-five, forty-two, and on so long as the marriage would last.

The progressed Moon operates on approximately the same cycle as Saturn, but perhaps and usually in a different sign and a different house. Then it pays us to watch carefully that Moon and Saturn do not severely afflict in the marriage chart so not to multiply trouble.

The early days of the marriage may suffer when the progressed Moon enters the next sign and this can be any time during the first twenty-eight months of the marriage, depending upon the degree of the Moon at the time of the wedding.

RETROGRADE PLANETS

All love relationships are in danger when Venus is retrograde, regardless of its direction in the wedding charts. Venus retrograde "is falling out of love" and takes on a Mars attitude causing each partner to expect more of the other and each partner to more individualistic.

When the Sun transits Aquarius divorce rates rise. Aquarius is the sign of freedom and Uranus rules divorce. Usually one of the parties does not want the divorce but more often finds that the suddenness of it was the cause of the suffering and that the situation actually is better than before in some way.

Mercury retrograde is not a guarantee of divorce. There will be changes in the marriage on the years Mercury progresses direct and if divorce occurs it may well coincide with Mercury returning by progression to the degree where it was in the wedding chart. Also, if Mercury is retrograde and divorce does occur the divorce will most likely be file during a period when Mercury is transiting retrograde. If there is a secret marriage followed by a public ceremony, the chart of the public ceremony probably will have Mercury retrograde.

Mercury in the wedding chart represents the children born to the union and a retrograde, if in the fifth, seventh, ninth, eleventh, etc., house will depict that the pregnancy representing that child may result in a miscarriage or health issues. Now to clarify: the fifth house is the first child, the seventh house is the second child and the third child is the ninth house. If Mercury is retrograde in any of these houses the child represented by that house will deliver prematurely. In which case the following alternate house will rule any next child to be born.

CRITICAL DEGREES:

CARDINAL SIGNS 0, 13, 26
FIXED SIGNS 9, 21
MUTABLE SIGNS 4, 17

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The ANARETIC degree (29) of any sign is to be AVOIDED in a wedding chart, especially for the degree of ASCENDANT, MIDHEAVEN, SUN, MOON, VENUS, MARS, OR JUPITER. THIS IS SAID TO BE THE DEGREE OF TEARS!

*Sun or Moon at 29 degrees: The Sun is the masculine image and authority of the chart and the 29TH DEGREE OF THE SUN DESTROYS THE IDENTITY OF ONE OF THE PARTIES. Moon in the 29TH DEGREE BRINGS MUCH UNHAPPINESS TO THE WIFE, HOME AND FAMILY MAY ALSO SUFFER IN TIME.
*Venus influences happiness and love. Venus at the 29th degree DENIES LOVE TO ONE OF THE PARTNERS. Such as early death of one of the partners or accident or illness immobilizing one.
*Mars is vitality and energy. One of the partners will feel TOO RESTRICTED and the partnership may even be interspersed with actual combat. Venus and Mars at the 29th degree will have a bearing on the sexual relationship between the parties.
* Jupiter represents the legality of the act and the ceremony itself. Jupiter in the 29th degree is very prominent.

Other things to avoid:

*Jupiter opposite Uranus.
*Uranus square Moon, Venus or Mars SHOULD BE AVOIDED in any wedding chart because Uranus is freedom and the square stimulates too much friction between parties.
* Moon is in the Via Combusta (15° Libra - 15° Scorpio, except for the safe degrees of 22-24° Libra) this is said to bring misfortune and illness

posted July 17, 2011 07:43 AM            

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Remarkable is the fact that the ruler of the 9th house (modern rulerships) is found in many configurations. The 9th house is the house of publicity and no doubt that a marriage is a public event.

Also, the 3rd Quadrant is the Quadrant of relationships, partnership and marriage. It's NOT the 7th house alone. The German Schule Fuer Transpersonale Astrologie (TPA)(School for Transpersonal Astrology) has always claimed that a marriage is not a 7th house affair alone but rather a matter of the 3rd Quadrant, and especially of the 8th house.

In their opinion, the 7th house is a cardinal air house, denoting that this house is the house of meetings and encounters. Everything and everybody you encounter as such and "as is" relates to the 7th house (principle of cardinal air). Cardinal signs don't bond, they just trigger, ignite and show what is there potentially.

In the 8th house (representing the fixed water principle), you start to bond (the fixed house principle) and because it's a water house, you're bonding emotionally what you once encountered or met through the 7th house.

A marriage is an emotional bond, denoting that it fits the 8th house principle. The 9th house is a mutable fire house. Mutable houses are communicative houses, spreading what has been bond or joined in the preceding fixed houses. Mutable houses make public, make visible one way or the other.

posted July 17, 2011 08:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Venus, You know Uranus/Aquarius is always there when we are pushing the limit of acceptability and saying f-u to what society expects

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posted July 17, 2011 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by sassaqua:
Coffee, why do you say WITH aspects show the marriage never get's going, instead of NO aspects?

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An configuration is stronger when exact aspects are made.
Relationships is 7th house. So hard to differentiate between marriage and relationship.

I fit into this category, and have 6th ruler opposite 7th ruler. I guess the opposition works in this case as both planets are at their weakest position to each other.

posted July 17, 2011 09:16 AM            

Ruler of 7th (pluto, mars) in 7th. Both afflicted.
Pluto opposition taurus ASC.
Ruler of 7th square ruler of 1st(Mars square venus)
Moon conjunt saturn, uranus, neptune; however exact sextile to venus in pisces.
Juno and NN in pisces 12th.