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Topic: Theory About Pluto On The Angles
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Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 20, 2011 02:24 PM
  
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
Oh my bad, he's very dependent he can't live a good life without someone taking care of him. We have a good relationship but I don't view him as a role model on any-shape-or-form.
Wow
That is weird BUT the chart never lies. What aspects does your sun make  ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Moonfish
Knowflake Posts: 113
From: phoenix, arizona, usa
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 20, 2011 02:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Wow
That is weird BUT the chart never lies. What aspects does your sun make
What does my chart say exactly?
All aspects are below 3 degsSun trine Ascendant
Sun conjunct Mars
Sun semi-square Venus
Sun quintile Jupiter
Sun septile Neptune
Sun sequi-square Uranus
Sun conjunct Pluto IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 15003
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 20, 2011 02:40 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moonfish:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b] Wow
That is weird BUT the chart never lies. What aspects does your sun make
What does my chart say exactly?
All aspects are below 3 degsSun trine Ascendant
Sun conjunct Mars
Sun semi-square Venus
Sun quintile Jupiter
Sun septile Neptune
Sun sequi-square Uranus
Sun conjunct Pluto[/B][/QUOTE] That is weird.I need Lonake
Well the Sun is supposed to show how we view our father.
You said you viewed him as weak but your Sun is strong.It's aspects are strong. Maybe, Lonake can answer! ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Moonfish
Knowflake Posts: 113
From: phoenix, arizona, usa
Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 20, 2011 02:46 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
That is weird.I need Lonake
Well the Sun is supposed to show how we view our father.
You said you viewed him as weak but your Sun is strong.It's aspects are strong.Maybe, Lonake can answer!
Well I'll tell ya this, he had a strong presence because he was always trying to be a Manly-Man.. making people believe he was something he's not. He was also an angry drunk, whenever he didn't get what he wanted he would destory funiture in the house. The way I see his qualities is a little kid in a grown man's body. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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Registered: Jul 2011
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posted July 20, 2011 02:55 PM
Ami,Sun is not always representative of the father. I`d rather check for the parental axis of MC-IC. (some say IC is father, some say it is MC; some even say Saturn is representative of the father, so I would just check them all). I guess in my case it kinda fits: MC conjunct Pluto,a nd my Mum is a Scorpio. lol
Ruler of MC in Capricorn fits all her Earthplanets. IC in Aries (Dad has a 1st house Mars), ruler of IC in Sagittarius (Dad has Sag-IC and Jupiter conjunct Venus), in 12th house conjunct Neptune (He has got a Mars-Neptune-conjunction like me, only his is in 1st house full). IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 15003
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 20, 2011 03:18 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Moonfish:
Well I'll tell ya this, he had a strong presence because he was always trying to be a Manly-Man.. making people believe he was something he's not. He was also an angry drunk, whenever he didn't get what he wanted he would destory funiture in the house. The way I see his qualities is a little kid in a grown man's body.
OK Yes that would be Pluto.It was Pluto out of control but still Pluto. ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
Moderator Posts: 15003
From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted July 20, 2011 03:24 PM
Oh My Goodness (((Lonake))
I just read your account of your Mom's death.I am crying.
I can't imagine that.
Then,your grandmother.
The chart is so true,isn't it Darling.
Thank you so very much for sharing.
I am honored you would share such a personal memory on my thread.
Love you Lonake  ------------------
Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind.
He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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love being Aries
Knowflake Posts: 343
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Registered: Apr 2011
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posted July 20, 2011 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Pluto conj the IC.I am not sure about this.
Would the person be a tyrant in their own home?
Would it mean, his childhood was terrible.I am thinking,it means,he would be a tyrant in the home.If not a tyrant, a larger than life figure in his home ,only. Again,if you met him at a party,would you see it? I think you WOULD see it with the ASC,for sure.
That is not in question.
Thanks so much for any input. Always feel free to disagree with anything I write.
That is a given!
pluto is currently transiting my 4th house and i feel trapped in my house, like i can't go out. i don't have anywhere to go
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Lonake
Moderator Posts: 4634
From: U.S.
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 20, 2011 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by GypseeWind:
Lonake,
I was so moved by your story.
It felt like I was right there in the room with you.
I am so sorry you had to go through this when you were so young! My heart bleeds for you.  I had the 4 people who raised me die within a two year span, so I have an understanding
of what you went through.
Although, you handled it with much more
grace, whereas I went into self destruct mode.. for quite some time.
This was ten years ago for me.
There have been lots more deaths since then,
they seem to come in cycles
like every 18 mos- 2 years.
I think I am getting better at handling it. Take care of yourself, Lonake, you are not alone, even if sometimes you may think so.
No, don't be sorry at all, but thank you for the nice wishes. It was definitely different from playing hopscotch and passing notes in class, kind of all of a sudden, but it was something I'm glad I experienced in the long run. Maybe makes me feel more at ease with death. Altho t.Chiron on my Sun in the 8th is putting me through the wringer here with morbid thoughts.
And it does kind of seem like deaths happen in bunches sometimes! I can see that in other people I've known. I'll hear that remark 'they're dropping like flies.' Maybe if we go along with reincarnation then they could possibly be of the same soul group? Tied to the people still here who knew them who are of a similar soul group? I don't know, just musing here.IP: Logged |
DayandNight21
Knowflake Posts: 108
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Registered: May 2010
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posted July 20, 2011 06:19 PM
Hi love being aries and lonake,
Lonake your story must have taken courage to write, all the best.
Love being aries, it is funny peculiar how you wrote you felt trapped with pluto over 4th house. when I had it there we moved from a lovely area of the country and a nice house to a farm in the middle of nowhere in an ok (but not as nice) area and I felt trapped and it took me years to get over that feeling. I still hate the idea of living on a farm now and have vowed to myself that I would never live on one again (we were only on it for 2 years!! Felt like 30! Still you look to the present and future as well as the past. Pluto in 4th is past to me whereas pluto in 10th is where heading to, the future so could see why people want to invest in pluto in 10th. pluto in 4th is supposed to have hidden strength not visible to casual observer which is a plus point.
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Lonake
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From: U.S.
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 20, 2011 06:28 PM
Ami re: Sun conj Pluto, etc,
Pluto conj the Sun at work, sign depends too..Pluto in hard aspect to the Sun can turn the idea of father into something mythic, he abandons, he abuses, he is powerful for good or not so good, he empowers, he perverts, he uplifts, but in the end he always has power. The child has the memory of the father's strong influence, whether pos or neg, and can either feel burdened by the father's influence as if he's so powerful they can never measure up, or can feel strengthened by it and adopt the father's power as their own and show a lot of will and ability to transform. If the father wasn't in the picture then its the space he leaves behind that transfixes the child on some level, the child would like to take on the father and fill in that empty space usurping any power that he would have had. If they're close and it is positive then it is a very ego strengthening relationship and there is a deep bond between the two and his death haunts the child forever. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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From: U.S.
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted July 21, 2011 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Lightning Strike:
I've also noticed that it makes people want to trace their "roots", as in trace their lineage and find out where they came from.
This is me completely, I tracked down family members from different states as a teen just to have that curiosity satisfied. Also there is a theme of 'skeletons in the closet' either in the Pluto person's home or their immediate family background. This also resonates. There is a natural detective instinct.
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DayandNight21
Knowflake Posts: 108
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Registered: May 2010
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posted July 22, 2011 02:59 PM
Hi Lonake,
I have looked up details of family trees on both my mothers side and fathers side. Lazy me has done no work it was all my uncles work on fathers side and mothers work on her side. Anyway as always good and bad shows up. With mars in 12th I felt there were skeletons in the closet but must be wrong the only thing that showed was a female a few generations ago died very early (before her time) something to do with her baby. The only other thing was people dying fighting in the world wars. With Pluto in 4th natally I felt calmer once the research was done although the above finding was very very sad. Also did some of the astrology and thats where I found on my dads side his great grandfather had loads of earth grand trines and was head of some coal or mining works, thats why I was saying need some earth as it helps you make money to live well and keeps you grounded.
It has been a useful exercise reading up on all this as it contributes to my identity and feel my roots more keenly. I am still close to my family something pluto in 4th represents. IP: Logged |
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