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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 06:19 AM Tell me if you agree/disagree. Pluto conj the ASC will be a larger than life person.This could be for good or bad. I know a female with Pluoto conj the ASC. She was a Cancer Sun,Leo Venus and Unaspected Mars. She was out of control with her strong personality. I know someone else with Pluto conj the ASC who is in control and a very strong presence in a good way. He has strong earth and good air. So,my theory here is that Pluto conj the ASC will BE larger than life. It could be for good or bad. Agree or disagree? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 06:22 AM Pluto conj the MC will be larger than life in groups.They will go to the top of a group as a strong force. They may NOT seem larger than life if you met them in a one on one setting such as a party. They ONLY become larger than life in a group. Some people ask if Pluto in the 11th makes someone larger than life in a group. I don't think so. I think the angles are unique in their strength. If Pluto hits an angle,it will be stronger than Pluto in any house,not on an angle. Agree or disagree? If you met a Pluto conj the MC person at a party, what would you feel? Pluto or not? Would it mainly show up when the person was in a group? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 06:24 AM Pluto on the DSC seems to be someone who is very strong when he is IN a relationship. As a partner ,he is a strong Plutonian figure. He may not be if you met him at a party. What do you think? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 06:27 AM Pluto conj the IC.I am not sure about this. Would the person be a tyrant in their own home? Would it mean, his childhood was terrible. I am thinking,it means,he would be a tyrant in the home.If not a tyrant, a larger than life figure in his home ,only. Again,if you met him at a party,would you see it? I think you WOULD see it with the ASC,for sure. That is not in question. Thanks so much for any input. Always feel free to disagree with anything I write. That is a given! ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted July 20, 2011 06:42 AM What does that mean to be "larger than life"? IP: Logged
sand Knowflake Posts: 630 From: Registered: May 2011	posted July 20, 2011 06:42 AM quote: So,my theory here is that Pluto conj the ASC will BE larger than life. It could be for good or bad. Agree or disagree? this alone? nah.. i'm sure there are a lot of everyday people with pluto conj asc. you never notice. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 06:46 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: What does that mean to be "larger than life"? Well, you FEEL that person as bigger than normal people.The person feels magnified in some way .You notice them as being color while the rest of the world is black and white. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted July 20, 2011 06:48 AM I`d think Pluto would be prominent in the personality, yes. I have Pluto on MC. I never really related to it, I am not in big business, not famous, not suppressive etc. But just lately I noticed that I am kind of pushed into positions of authority / responsibility, even though I don`t really want to. I don`t make a big fuss about my person in public, as a matter of fact I prefer to stay invisible, but observing from the background. But for some reason by doing that, being cloaked in my dark cloak of silently listening and observing, I seem to stick out. Somehow I STILL am being noticed, though it surprised me the most, when I noticed that I was. People, especially in my job, seem to think I am much more masterful, organised, capable than I really am. I also noticed that, if it is important, I seem to suddenly have an authorative voice, not a loud one, but I am more authoritative than I ever thought of myself. I don�t like the feeling to not be in control of the outcome of a situation. that is something I have to work on. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 06:51 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I`d think Pluto would be prominent in the personality, yes. I have Pluto on MC. I never really related to it, I am not in big business, not famous, not suppressive etc. But just lately I noticed that I am kind of pushed into positions of authority / responsibility, even though I don`t really want to. I don`t make a big fuss about my person in public, as a matter of fact I prefer to stay invisible, but observing from the background. But for some reason by doing that, being cloaked in my dark cloak of silently listening and observing, I seem to stick out. Somehow I STILL am being noticed, though it surprised me the most, when I noticed that I was. People, especially in my job, seem to think I am much more masterful, organised, capable than I really am. I also noticed that, if it is important, I seem to suddenly have an authorative voice, not a loud one, but I am more authoritative than I ever thought of myself. I don�t like the feeling to not be in control of the outcome of a situation. that is something I have to work on. YES YES YES You made my point Darling I am so glad I did the thread. It just happens that way with Pluto on the MC.You don't seek it. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted July 20, 2011 06:52 AM And yes, I agree, planets on the angles are usually very strong colouring one`s personality. I have two outer planets on two angles, Pluto on MC and Neptune on ASC. I tend to identify with Neptune, but I guess others, at least from a distance, notice Pluto, too. Though I do not feel like I am on top of a group or something like that. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 06:57 AM Ok Cer Please let me ask you a question. Do you always feel a sense that you do not want a group to override your personal identity and values. Does this kind of nag at you at a low level? Has it whenever you have gotten in to a group? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
sand Knowflake Posts: 630 From: Registered: May 2011	posted July 20, 2011 06:57 AM i think of jupiter when i read larger than life buh i get watcha mean as well. i have 4 planets on angles. pluto on ac, moon on mc, venus and mercury on dc. IP: Logged
AstrologicalMan Knowflake Posts: 279 From: Brickenton Registered: Jun 2011	posted July 20, 2011 06:58 AM I don't know what my Pluto is conjunct to but I seem to be dominant in relation to every medium of communication with others but I have only become aware of this over the past 2 years and my "large presence" seems to become more evident to myself and others as time moves forward. I now "sniff out" every environment that I enter almost by design. Making sure that I am in control of the atmosphere that I am in. I don't desire control and power over others, I just assume that role, I wouldn't feel right any other way. I notice that people lose track of whatever it is that they are doing when I enter the room. I make sure that I am not delusional in this statement as I have carefully studied my reaction to others in the environment Lately I have noticed that when men get too close with me with their woman, they put their arms around her and pull her to them and away from my direction. Almost a possessive instinctual reaction making sure as to say that the girl belongs to them, as if they don't completely trust their woman around me. and I always cause tension in couples when I am the third member of their group. The couples begin arguing usually initiated by a cold reaction from the womans man. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted July 20, 2011 07:06 AM No, I don`t seek it. Actually I remember something now. When I was 12, I was experimenting with automatic writing, and I was having a friend, 3 years younger, from the neighourhood, and when we did it together (today I think it was more a thing of telepathy between her and me), we were gaining informations we IMPOSSIBLY could have. Which crept me out a little, but not so much to stop doing it. Anyway, after a short while I noticed how she started to really look up at me, admiring me, and then even, I don`t know, I realized that I was having power over her (or could have) and that I could have told her ANYTHING, she would just have believed me, because she thought I was a powerful psychic and trusted me blindly. And that SCARED me to death. I could feel power surge through my veins, and it made me feel dizzy in my head, and it felt ECSTATIC, EXHILERATING. Like dark fire. And it TERRIFIED me. I dropped what we were doing IMMEDIATELY. I didn`t want to have power over her or anyone. I didn`t want to have followers (another friend at that time suggested I should found my own "cult", as she believed I had the power to do so, to convince other people, to lead them. I think it was the beginning of the end of our friendship. I did not want to. NEVER.). With great power comes great responsibility, and I was so afraid I might in some way abuse the power I had in that moment. Actually a few years later I DID step over the line, I did abuse my "mindpower" to scare someone else (it was a story of revenge), and I payed the price. Rightfully so. I was out of line, no matter what that girl had done to me, noone deserves to be intentionally scared. anyway, what I want to say is, that I feel having power, no matter what kind, is a dangerous thing. One has to be very careful using it wisely and only for healing purposes. Which is a difficult thing to do, when you are human and your little Ego gets hurt, and you have this reservoir of possibilities at hand. Well, after I scared that girl, I deliberately refrained from going there again, and kind of renounced every kind of power I might have had. Which means I practically lost access to it. I regained access, when Tr Pluto was conjunct Suna nd Mercury, but hopefully I am dealing with it much more maturely now, than when I was 12 years old. IP: Logged
AstrologicalMan Knowflake Posts: 279 From: Brickenton Registered: Jun 2011	posted July 20, 2011 07:12 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: No, I don`t seek it. Actually I remember something now. When I was 12, I was experimenting with automatic writing, and I was having a friend, 3 years younger, from the neighourhood, and when we did it together (today I think it was more a thing of telepathy between her and me), we were gaining informations we IMPOSSIBLY could have. Which crept me out a little, but not so much to stop doing it. Anyway, after a short while I noticed how she started to really look up at me, admiring me, and then even, I don`t know, I realized that I was having power over her (or could have) and that I could have told her ANYTHING, she would just have believed me, because she thought I was a powerful psychic and trusted me blindly. And that SCARED me to death. I could feel power surge through my veins, and it made me feel dizzy in my head, and it felt ECSTATIC, EXHILERATING. Like dark fire. And it TERRIFIED me. I dropped what we were doing IMMEDIATELY. I didn`t want to have power over her or anyone. I didn`t want to have followers (another friend at that time suggested I should found my own "cult", as she believed I had the power to do so, to convince other people, to lead them. I think it was the beginning of the end of our friendship. I did not want to. NEVER.). With great power comes great responsibility, and I was so afraid I might in some way abuse the power I had in that moment. Actually a few years later I DID step over the line, I did abuse my "mindpower" to scare someone else (it was a story of revenge), and I payed the price. Rightfully so. I was out of line, no matter what that girl had done to me, noone deserves to be intentionally scared. anyway, what I want to say is, that I feel having power, no matter what kind, is a dangerous thing. One has to be very careful using it wisely and only for healing purposes. Which is a difficult thing to do, when you are human and your little Ego gets hurt, and you have this reservoir of possibilities at hand. Well, after I scared that girl, I deliberately refrained from going there again, and kind of renounced every kind of power I might have had. Which means I practically lost access to it. I regained access, when Tr Pluto was conjunct Suna nd Mercury, but hopefully I am dealing with it much more maturely now, than when I was 12 years old. Very true. Very interesting recount of your younger days. It reminds me of one of the stories of Jesus from one of the Excluded Gospels. When Jesus was 12, he supposedly killed another boy with his psychic powers. After he realized what he had done, he resurrected the child and he learned his lesson, like you did, of the evil side of his power and not to use it to take advantage of others even when they seem to do you wrong in any way. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted July 20, 2011 07:19 AM Interesting that you mention Jesus. Cause it was about in that time when I dreamed of him. Well, actually about a cave and an angel. The first of my angel dreams, which have started again about a year ago. But yes, you�re right. I am very aware of the risk of taking advantage of people. In my case it would happen over the "word" or "thought". So I have to be extracareful when it comes to this. Actually I was aware of that even as a child, and I remember having always prayed to God for sending me the selfcontrol to not hurt others with my words or thoughts. I wouldn�t even curse as a child, which my classmates found funny; it made me "special" in their eyes, but not belonging with the group. IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted July 20, 2011 07:23 AM Ami, I don�t like groups. I�ve always been afraid of them, and somehow I always manage to "sit between the chairs", sometimes acting as a bridge, but often just ending up between different groups who fight each other. I experienced that in school quite intensely. Two groups fighting each other, and every group wanting to pull me to their side and demanding of me to "choose a side". NO. I am not to be forced like that. I like PEOPLE, not groups. Individuality, not the collective. Peerpressure? Sure I know it. Like Lilith I decided to leave the group alltogether and moving on on my own, no matter what the social repercussions. If a group cannot accept me for what I am, well, their loss. Do you mean something like that? IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 07:28 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: Ami, I don�t like groups. I�ve always been afraid of them, and somehow I always manage to "sit between the chairs", sometimes acting as a bridge, but often just ending up between different groups who fight each other. I experienced that in school quite intensely. Two groups fighting each other, and every group wanting to pull me to their side and demanding of me to "choose a side". NO. I am not to be forced like that. I like PEOPLE, not groups. Individuality, not the collective. Peerpressure? Sure I know it. Like Lilith I decided to leave the group alltogether and moving on on my own, no matter what the social repercussions. If a group cannot accept me for what I am, well, their loss. Do you mean something like that? YES YES YES Totally It is that comment"If the group cannot accept me for what I am, that is their loss. That exemplifies Pluto on the MC,to me. You will not be made submissive to a group.You will not be able to let your identity be submerged to a group think. Do you agree with this? ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ceridwen Knowflake Posts: 48 From: Registered: Jul 2011	posted July 20, 2011 07:34 AM Yes. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 07:34 AM quote: Originally posted by AstrologicalMan: I don't know what my Pluto is conjunct to but I seem to be dominant in relation to every medium of communication with others but I have only become aware of this over the past 2 years and my "large presence" seems to become more evident to myself and others as time moves forward. I now "sniff out" every environment that I enter almost by design. Making sure that I am in control of the atmosphere that I am in. I don't desire control and power over others, I just assume that role, I wouldn't feel right any other way. I notice that people lose track of whatever it is that they are doing when I enter the room. I make sure that I am not delusional in this statement as I have carefully studied my reaction to others in the environment Lately I have noticed that when men get too close with me with their woman, they put their arms around her and pull her to them and away from my direction. Almost a possessive instinctual reaction making sure as to say that the girl belongs to them, as if they don't completely trust their woman around me. and I always cause tension in couples when I am the third member of their group. The couples begin arguing usually initiated by a cold reaction from the womans man. You have Pluto in the 3rd house,not on an angle but I think it is conjunct a lot of planets so that makes it stronger ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 07:36 AM Cer Thank you so much.That was so helpful Sand You ARE a strong presence.I can feel it.You are a light presence ,though. I mean this in terms of you feel like a Sag, to me. You are larger than life but not in a Scorpio feeling way,in a Sag way. You feel like Jupiter to me BUT the strength of it is Pluto. Do you know what I mean ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Lonake Moderator Posts: 4634 From: U.S. Registered: Apr 2009	posted July 20, 2011 07:46 AM quote: Originally posted by Ceridwen: I have Pluto on MC. I never really related to it, I am not in big business, not famous, not suppressive etc. But just lately I noticed that I am kind of pushed into positions of authority / responsibility, even though I don`t really want to. I don`t make a big fuss about my person in public, as a matter of fact I prefer to stay invisible, but observing from the background. But for some reason by doing that, being cloaked in my dark cloak of silently listening and observing, I seem to stick out. Somehow I STILL am being noticed, though it surprised me the most, when I noticed that I was. People, especially in my job, seem to think I am much more masterful, organised, capable than I really am. I also noticed that, if it is important, I seem to suddenly have an authorative voice, not a loud one, but I am more authoritative than I ever thought of myself. I don�t like the feeling to not be in control of the outcome of a situation I have Pluto conj IC from the 4th (opp the MC 1*) and it's the same. That tone, I feel exactly the same way, I don't know where it comes from, and being singled out at work because you're intently paying attn when the others (whether they are or not) don't project it as much and the focus is on me. Employers will already agree to have me in charge of the project, looking at me as if in silent understanding, while others are monkeying around like gorillas in order to impress. I never try to impress I do my work intently. Am forever having private discussions with employers about items that they did not want to discuss in front of others since they did not want the other employees to get jealous because they like my work, so there's always something going on under the radar. My ex boss confided to me in secret on the job that she was battling cancer, she cried in my office and went through all of these details but told everyone else she was going on vacation (she still looked healthy, always did, they caught it early) but instead she was going for a hospital stay. Of course I was Ok with the revelation and cancer patients since I had stayed home from school as a young girl to take care of my mother who was on 20 or so different meds to take care of her disease, altho my mother really should have been in a hospital (Pluto/IC). It's sort of a tricky landscape, I'm not sure if she should have confided that in me due to the inequality there (boss/employee), but she did. Just like I'm not sure I should have been responsible 4 days a week as a young girl for a dying woman, but I was. On another angle, and this is obviously Pluto, I had a female boss (a different one) who developed a boyish crush on me from day one, wanted to sit with me in the lunch room when it was customary for all the bosses to sit together in their lil group. Anyway, I had written her a thank you note for the position and also for the training I had received on the job a few days before my contract ended. On the last day she called me into her ofc, said thank you for giving her the note and remarked that she would miss my attention to my work, etc. just some general praise. She asked me casually to lock the door to her ofc, I did, we exchanged some casual niceties and laughs over the time we worked together, gave me what should have been a farewell quick type hug but it turned into more and she thrust her body into mine, and you can imagine her intention. It was a surprise; she definitely wanted us to have sex in her ofc. We didn't, but I declined in a way that didn't leave her feeling awkward or out of line just to keep the professional relationship friendly, etc. So, there's that. Basically the higher ups think well of me but sometimes cross the line I think regarding professional boundaries. IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 07:55 AM Oh My Goodness Lonake Pluto on the IC is the one I understand the least. I thought you had Pluto conj the ASC. I have some questions for you but will try to formulate them. One is that the IC is our most private point in the chart. You could say it is our raw baby flesh part like a babies bottom lol So, is it fair to say that Pluto touches new baby flesh in some way?? I think you are saying that by your examples. You get in strange situations. I have never been in a situation like that lol Also, to add to that,I am wondering if Pluto opposite the MC is what got you in to those situations with your bosses. Also, your taking care of your dying mother. That exemplifies Pluto on the IC where your home life blows up like a nuclear bomb. I am so sorry you went through that Lonake ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 15003 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010	posted July 20, 2011 07:59 AM I think the easiest Pluto is Pluto on the MC. What do you guys think? I think the hardest is prolly the IC. ------------------ Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality Jung God has not given us a spirit of fear but of power,love and a sound mind. He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city Proverbs IP: Logged
sand Knowflake Posts: 630 From: Registered: May 2011	posted July 20, 2011 08:23 AM dc sounds kinda hard as well. but it depends on your life focus. for mine, conjunct ac i think it has a lot to do with childhood early adult energies. wouldn't say mine was bad at all. buh i was hard to control lol! http://lenisastrology.blogspot.com/2007/10/child-with-pluto-conjunct-ascendant.html IP: Logged

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