posted September 24, 2011 06:42 PM              

Relationship #1 - 10 years long, almost led to marriage until it disintegrated upon our Saturn return (around the same time):

My Saturn was opposite his Sun. In the beginning, I felt great attachment to him and was extremely possessive. But he exhausted me and in the end I felt cold towards him.

His Saturn trine my Sun. He has Saturn opposite his natal Sun, and so he projects his 6th House Saturn onto the main woman in his life, letting her take responsibility for his day-to-day life. Saturn is very well-aspected in my chart, as part of a grand trine with Sun/Mars conjunction and Chiron. I was his Saturn woman for ten years, running his errands and tending to his health. Even after we broke up, we can't fully break the practical aspects of the relationship, such as having adopted a pet together (Saturn in the 6th!). I still send him money for dog food and vet bills, and walk the dog daily.

In conclusion: Saturn forming an opposition aspect will manifest as controlling behavior and kicks in early on, but lacks the legendary Saturn staying power, at least in this case. But in a trine, it is like a gentle glue that holds strong after it has had time to dry....and the aspect is just about as exciting as glue, and watching glue dry.

Relationship #2:

This has only been going on for a year and his Saturn is conjunct my Ascendant. If feels very stifling and he has tried to change me to fit his ideal but is learning fast that he can't.

My Saturn squares his Sun with an orb of 4 degrees and I felt clingy towards him in the beginning but am growing more detached.

posted September 24, 2011 07:04 PM              

But years later, the Saturn person in the trine becomes more attached. He is still quite dependent on me for the practical side of life. He always consults me before making a major decision, such as buying a new house. He's made too many mistakes though, and as the Saturn person in the harsh cross-aspect, I'm not forgiving.

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My Saturn squares his Venus & his Saturn conjunctions my Venus & squares my NN. I'm very clingy to him right now, I think about'em all the time. Though for him it seems like he's insecure about having a gf & he sometimes avoids me x.x

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posted September 24, 2011 07:05 PM            

His Satun falls in my 7th house and mine in his 8th.
His Saturn is:
Conjunct my Sun
Conjunct my Mars
Oppose my Pluto
Trines my Moon
Trines my Neptune

My Saturn:
Opposes his Sun
Trines his Moon
Trines his Ascendant
Conjunct his Pluto

The Saturn and Sun was the most intense...he dictated from day one the seriousness and obligations brought on by the relationship. We have always been very aware of the seriousness of our connection, sometimes this was a bit overwhelming in the beginning. But once we learned what the other needed to be emotionally secure it made the connection alot less heavy because we are willing to provide it for each other. There is strong teacher/student relationship between us...and its mutual...we learn from each other..him about love/emotions and me about logic and material existence.
I have been able to establish boundaries finally and stick to them...he even sometimes helps me defend them as it is not my strong suit and my walls are easily damaged. He also makes excellent decisions and so Im able to trust his judgement on things and this allows him to keep me focussed, he is very aware of what we should be doing in life and is very focused on building a stable enviroment for us both. And that was not the easiest thing in the world...as Im very Arian and not used to letting someone take the lead, so that took me seeing my faults and that came with a good dose of much needed humility, whats more is his Saturn is in Aries conjunct my Sun. Many of our friends and family are amazed at the stability and intensity of our relationship and its forward moving nature.

Saturn has tied strong bonds though. We both feel as though the relationship never begin, only picked up where it left off. I dreamed of him before I met him and knew who he was the very first time I saw him, though it has taken him time and even now he has just gotten where he can see something charmed about us and our Ying/Yang type of coexistence.

The Saturn connections have been our glue...with a composite Moon/Sun/Mercury in Pisces...The composite Saturn is conjunct the composite NN and trines the Moon/Mercury but square the Sun/Venus. And as we know Saturn will only let you look through rose colored glasses but so long before he makes you see the reality ...but in this way I feel we can create something better when we step into the material world...as our love knows the highest level of our existence.

The challenging composite aspects have been difficult but have really gone toward building my own inner character.
The relationship has at times felt like a torture stake I couldnt bear...I dont know how many times Ive told him he was about to break me. But this aspect also gives you the feeling of responsibility toward each other and that caused us to have a huge impact on each other. We do not project, its just not allowed, and this has helped tremendously to keep the relationship stable and causes you to go deep to heal yourself, in a nut shell since the day we said hi we could not imagine life without each other and that to me is Saturns gift of Karmic remembrance.
I am aware of the continuity of my own existence and so is he, and this awareness has only grown since meeting each other, our dreams are like movies...and we are waiting for the day we both have the same dream on the same night...haha....

The lessons are tough but they are well learned and the foundation is solid as a rock as a result, and this makes it withstand the test of Father time, he will always be the greatest love I've ever known whether it is my side he stands by or another...with him I learned what unconditional love is...and continue to teach even him a thing or two...

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Aries Sun
Sag Moon
Virgo Asc

posted September 24, 2011 07:20 PM            

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John Lennon and Yoko Ono had the Venus-Saturn square with an orb of 0 degrees. It was very difficult for them to get together in the beginning. I don't know how long you've been with your guy, and he may seem cold to your affections in the beginning because your love triggers his fears/insecurities, but as time goes on, he'll be more reliable. You are both insecure right now, just have different ways of reacting to it/showing it.

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posted September 24, 2011 07:28 PM              

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Oh I see, sounds pretty stressful. I don't think I can handle taking charge of this relationship. We've been together for a few months & he's ten years older than me. I don't want to have to take care of a grown man when I honestly can't fully take care of myself yet.

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Nowadays I just go by the dating mantra of the day: "He's just not that into you." It's a real time-saver.

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I actually seen that they shared a saturn-venus square on another astrology site, but I've never heard exactly how there relationship went except the one time the broke up & got back together. How was it hard for them in the beginning?

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posted September 24, 2011 07:29 PM            

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Originally posted by oneruledbymars:
I have a heavy Saturn connections with my love. But they aren't very hard ones.

His Satun falls in my 7th house and mine in his 8th.
His Saturn is:
Conjunct my Sun
Conjunct my Mars
Oppose my Pluto
Trines my Moon
Trines my Neptune

My Saturn:
Opposes his Sun
Trines his Moon
Trines his Ascendant
Conjunct his Pluto

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posted September 24, 2011 07:43 PM            

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Knowing what I do now, I'd say it would be a wise choice to let go and let him do all the work early on. Because even if you do put in all the work as the Saturn person, that is going to set the tone of the relationship and will be the reason why he would want to keep the relationship - because it would be convenient for him and he can lean on it. That's the truth of my relationship with my ex.

Nowadays I just go by the dating mantra of the day: "He's just not that into you." It's a real time-saver.

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So if you were to choose your soulmate would you still prefer to have hard saturn aspects w/ them despite the challenge? since you have experience & it usually assures that it'll be sober and long-lasting?

posted September 24, 2011 07:50 PM              

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So if you were to choose your soulmate would you still prefer to have hard saturn aspects w/ them despite the challenge? since it usually assures that it'll be sober and long-lasting.

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No way am I gonna suffer again, soulmate or no lol.

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Oh okay i think it's really interesting that even w/ there saturn aspect they still seem very affectionate with eachother, at least in pictures.

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Whenever I saw photo of yoko and john there usually naked in bed o.o lol

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posted September 24, 2011 08:14 PM              

If it makes you feel any better, relationship #2 that I posted about has these so-called super romantic linkages that Magi Astrology touts as being the soulmate marker, with his Venus-Mars trine in perfect trine to my Chiron, and his Jupiter-Chiron trine being activated by my Sun. But guess what? He's not that into me lol. Otherwise he would BE with me right now. So what I'm trying to say is, if these great aspects still result in a dead-end relationship, your hard aspects still might result in a solid relationship like John and Yoko's (until his untimely demise, anyhow).

posted September 24, 2011 08:46 PM              

We weren't that incompatible astrologically he was a Leo and I'm a Libra but it had a feeling like in the past, possibly in another lifetime that connection meant more than it did this time around. It became to much for both of us and the duty we felt to each other hindered us from exploring other possibilities until we finally evolved out of these tendencies. Only then we were able to finally release ourselves and move on. Saturn is Karmic, and those relationships are solid but incredibly hard to break. I'm pretty sure we had karmic debt that we had to manage in this lifetime. Here are a few descriptions from our composite chart on Astro.com.

Astro.com Saturn Rising: Saturn in the first house can be very beneficial, for it can BIND the two of you together in an enduring association.

Saturn in the first can make a relationship very SELF- CONTAINED. Others will not know what is going on emotionally between you. You will always present a quiet, reserved appearance that does not tell much about what you are really feeling.

posted September 25, 2011 01:46 AM            

Once found an old thread here about Sun square Saturn. That seems to be a *major* factor for many married couples. In fact, they mentioned in the thread that Linda Goodman called it a binding factor... Ok, here's the thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206612.html

posted September 25, 2011 01:46 AM              

Anyway, I thought you might be interested in this Venus square Saturn article (or maybe you found it already), even if you decide not to pursue this relationship further:

http://blog.virgovault.com/2011/ 02/12/synastry-natal-the-romeo-juliet-aspect-%E2%80%93-venus-square-saturn-in-love-%E2%80%93-problem-solution/

posted September 25, 2011 06:16 AM            

Saturn square Ceres
Saturn square Ascendant
Saturn opposite Uranus
Saturn conjunct South Node
Saturn Sextile moon
South Node conjunct Saturn
Ascendant square Saturn
Mercury trine Saturn
Venus trine Saturn
Vesta trine Saturn
Moon sextile Saturn

posted September 25, 2011 08:50 AM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I'm trying to dig deep into what relationships are generally like when they involve Saturn aspects (especially the hard ones; squares, oppositions, and even conjunctions). Like what is the difference between the Saturn person being the woman or man? or how much does it get in the way of sexual connections? or does it decrease chances of partners cheating on one another? or lastly, are saturn aspects better for people who already have them in there own natal chart?

If you can name any couples you know that have a strong [hard] Saturn aspects whether there celebrities, friends, or even your own experience how does it effect your relationship in both positive & negative way {state who the saturn person is}

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Everything I keep reading is that they feel tied to or responsible to one another, which can go either way in that it can be a positive binding force...or just plain feeling trapped and weighed down when they're together, like it's their duty to be together.

posted September 25, 2011 02:36 PM              

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
Everything I keep reading is that they feel tied to or responsible to one another, which can go either way in that it can be a positive binding force...or just plain feeling trapped and weighed down when they're together, like it's their duty to be together.

Even the possibility of the latter is scary to me so if I run a composite between someone and myself and see any Saturn activity, I pretty much run the other way.

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Saturn Activity can feel very freedom threatening and restrictive, especially when it feels as though you don't have any control. I think that if you as a person have grown to manage your Saturn aspects in a positive way allowing the strengths of Saturn to manifest, then dealing with Saturn activity in relationships won't seem so daunting. For example taking responsibility for yourself, using discrimination in allowing what to accept into your life, especially along the lines of people and relationships. Remember we draw things to us for the purpose of evolving and growing. I'm no longer afraid of Saturn because I've managed to accommodate those tendencies in myself by balancing them. Saturn is kind of like a Godfather, he teaches me to be self disciplined and to take my time. Maybe we are not always on the same page but I accept his wisdom. Saturn breaks you by restructuring you and forcing you to slow down so that he can remake and reshape you, relationships included.

posted September 25, 2011 02:52 PM            

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Originally posted by NativelyJoan:
In my experience relationships that have a strong Saturn influence feel very karmic. One of the most influential experiences in my life was a karmic relationship I had with someone. We had a very strong Saturn influence. In our composite chart Saturn was rising and it was exactly conjunct our Ascendant, Uranus and Neptune. Our relationship was almost compulsive, it felt like we had an overwhelming sense of duty to each other even though neither of us could understand why. There was much passion but it felt like even if we wanted we couldn't release ourselves from each other. It took me along time to free myself of the pull that I had to this union.

We weren't that incompatible astrologically he was a Leo and I'm a Libra but it had a feeling like in the past, possibly in another lifetime that connection meant more than it did this time around. It became to much for both of us and the duty we felt to each other hindered us from exploring other possibilities until we finally evolved out of these tendencies. Only then we were able to finally release ourselves and move on. Saturn is Karmic, and those relationships are solid but incredibly hard to break. I'm pretty sure we had karmic debt that we had to manage in this lifetime. Here are a few descriptions from our composite chart on Astro.com.

Astro.com Saturn Rising: Saturn in the first house can be very beneficial, for it can BIND the two of you together in an enduring association.

Saturn in the first can make a relationship very SELF- CONTAINED. Others will not know what is going on emotionally between you. You will always present a quiet, reserved appearance that does not tell much about what you are really feeling.

Astro.com Saturn conjunct Ascendant: The conjunction of composite Saturn and Ascendant can have several very different effects, depending on other factors in the relationship.On the positive level, it can signify a relationship that is BOUND together so strongly that almost nothing can break it up. This is not so much because there is a positive attraction between you as because you are intensely involved with each other in a way that seems strongly PREDESTINED. Unfortunately, even if one of you wants to break out of this relationship, it might be difficult because of material circumstances, psychological needs, or other factors that seem beyond your control.

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The description of your relationship with your ex sounds like my relationship with husband, very karmic but very hard to break even if you want out. Since I met him I felt responsible for him and from the very beginning it felt like we were married and his friend would even say that we were like an old married couple during the beginning of our relationship. If it wasn't bec we both have the type of personality that is light and like to have fun this relationship would be all work and no play but we are both VERY in touch with our inner child (he is a libra with venus in leo and I have leo in venus and mars and sag rising). We are also extremely affectionate towards one another but I think that is bc I have moon in Pisces and he has moon in cancer so we are both super sweet.

Anyways we love each other very much but is not easy and gets exhausting from time to time. We are definitely really attached and I feel like I have Karma that I owe him or something and my god the relationship has forced me to grow a lot. We are really loyal to each-other but the overwhelming sense of responsibility did push me to cheat. The sex is good but not as frequent as I am use to based on past relationships and I know this has to do with Saturn and I really don't like this but love that I can always count on him and him on me and the loyalty we have for each other and the fact that nothing can break us and that he fights for the relationship but like you said if you want out is really hard to break up the relationship, making you feel trapped a bit even though you also find yourself valuing how strong and solid the love is between one another. It’s a mixed bag.

posted September 25, 2011 03:18 PM            

Synastry saturn aspects:

Conjunction her Sun / his Saturn - orb: 03' 12'

Trine his Moon / her Saturn - orb: 03' 06'

posted September 25, 2011 03:45 PM            

Composite Karma conjuncts my natal sun in Virgo 28 degrees. Perhaps this is why I feel the relationship is karmic and exists bc I have to repay him for something, like I owe him because of something past life related, in addition to personal growth (saturn-lessons).

In synastry my vertex, karma, mars and Venus fall under his 12th house and his karma falls under my 4th house. Does this hint to our past life connection and confirms there was one?

posted September 25, 2011 07:35 PM              

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Below is our composite chart. Maybe karma in the 7th is why we felt and seemed like an old married couple from the beginning of our relationship.

Synastry saturn aspects:

Conjunction her Sun / his Saturn - orb: 03' 12'

Trine his Moon / her Saturn - orb: 03' 06'

Conjunction his Mercury / her Saturn - orb: 02' 03'

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posted September 25, 2011 10:45 PM            

You got it! It is an intense relationship and we have a strong bond. The relationship teaches me about responsibilities and how to manage relationships which is part of why I am here (NN in the 7th). I like to play too much so having a saturnic relationship forces me to balance this more but I wonder lately if I would be happier with someone else and if I am just sticking around bc I feel responsible for him which you are right that is not healthy. Its hard to figure out what the right decision is bc its such a mixed bag as we are like best friends and the relationship forces me grow. I figure that I am 28 years old so I am not going to rush to make a decision. I can be with him for several more years and if this crisis is not surpassed I can leave him and start fresh then.