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woah cakes
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posted September 27, 2011 01:56 AM
  
ahhh.. yes. i knew that but forgot. the weird thing about him is that i sort of sense this about him but it's VERY well concealed and mostly, it seems, by his venus/sun conjunction which is all smiles and soothing words and batting eyelashes and crap like that. definitely played mind games though, and it very likely could have gotten worse. thanks tux. yeah it's interesting they have three tight tense sun/moon aspects and one nice one isn't it? seems they have quite a LIVELY synastry even if it's kinda messed. okay i'll post my synastry with each of them in a few minutes. IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 27, 2011 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
ahhh.. yes. i knew that but forgot. the weird thing about him is that i sort of sense this about him but it's VERY well concealed and mostly, it seems, by his venus/sun conjunction which is all smiles and soothing words and batting eyelashes and crap like that. thanks tux. yeah it's interesting they have three tight tense sun/moon aspects and one nice one isn't it? seems they have quite a LIVELY synastry even if it's kinda messed. okay i'll post my synastry with each of them in a few minutes.
Of course it isn't readily apparent; he has sun-venus right on his ascendant, no less. THAT'S the stuff about him that's going to be noticed first by everyone. IP: Logged |
tuxedoMask
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posted September 27, 2011 02:10 AM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
ahhh.. yes. i knew that but forgot. the weird thing about him is that i sort of sense this about him but it's VERY well concealed and mostly, it seems, by his venus/sun conjunction which is all smiles and soothing words and batting eyelashes and crap like that. thanks tux. yeah it's interesting they have three tight tense sun/moon aspects and one nice one isn't it? seems they have quite a LIVELY synastry even if it's kinda messed. okay i'll post my synastry with each of them in a few minutes.
well, neither one of their sun's or moon's are supported.. they're just being challenged and the only good things they have going for them are one trine and a sextile which is from mars to venus and the sun/moon i think to one of them and even then, sextiles take effort and those squares, that's a LOT of effort for mars to sustain.... it's a fling.. i very fast paced and maybe fun fling.. i don't know where ur mercury is, maybe it's not in scorpio, because i know how mercury in scorpio can react to it but it seems to be more calm or something? pisces? don't know.. maybe even gemini... ANYWAY, vent it all out! it's about all u can do. i read about some girl who had a boyfriend she broke up with and then her friend got together with and as soon as that friend had broken up with the guy she was with to date the friend's ex, the girl first dumped ended up screwing the other girl's ex, too.... i don't know if anyone's the culprit but i'd just suggest u try to see your shadow through them and just accept it. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 27, 2011 02:11 AM
yes.. and from what she just recently told me, he was a terrible partner to his ex. oh i should also mention i don't know their birthtimes. his is 'right before sunrise' so it should be fairly accurate so it puts sun/venus either in the 12th or first but definitely near the AC. i did some crude rectifying and came up with this time. IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 27, 2011 02:16 AM
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well, neither one of their sun's or moon's are supported.. they're just being challenged and the only good things they have going for them are one trine and a sextile which is from mars to venus and the sun/moon i think to one of them and even then, sextiles take effort and those squares, that's a LOT of effort for mars to sustain....it's a fling.. i very fast paced and maybe fun fling.. i don't know where ur mercury is, maybe it's not in scorpio, because i know how mercury in scorpio can react to it but it seems to be more calm or something? pisces? don't know.. maybe even gemini... ANYWAY, vent it all out! it's about all u can do. i read about some girl who had a boyfriend she broke up with and then her friend got together with and as soon as that friend had broken up with the guy she was with to date the friend's ex, the girl first dumped ended up screwing the other girl's ex, too.... i don't know if anyone's the culprit but i'd just suggest u try to see your shadow through them and just accept it.
I definitely, definitely agree that it's going to be short-lived, but looking at that synastry I really can't say it's going to be any fun - at least for her anyway. Even though yeah I know this girl betrayed her friend, honestly I feel sorry for the girl, knowing what she's likely in for. It's like the worst synastry I've ever seen; they say to avoid getting mixed up with anyone who has planets or anything important, falling in your twelfth house and his Mar-Pluto-Uranus lands right in there...that's just asking for trouble. That stuff is just going to be like the Persephone myth come to life; he's going to drag her straight to hell. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 27, 2011 02:21 AM
i dunno though- he's so utterly charming and was up to the last minute with me (as long as i wasn't challenging him; but even then he tried to maintain it with all he had.. i just sensed these small cracks in the veneer), so i wonder if he'll just smile through it all even if he's cheating on her behind her back and stuff like that. i am curious though as to how it will end exactly..okay max here's my synastry with her! i'm aqua mercury.. in exact conjunction to my mars but even that rarely takes me from placation (i just get extremely verbose and very excitable about things that stimulate my mind). i'm not really sure what to look for with this- maybe venus opposite mars? i'm the red.  IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 27, 2011 02:29 AM
and this is me and him. bleh, i've already gazed at this thing too much..  IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 27, 2011 03:07 AM
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and this is me and him. bleh, i've already gazed at this thing too much..
When you said he was good to you that immediately made me want to ask, "Well how long were you together?" looool. I figured that his bad side didn't have enough time to emerge. But now I'm seeing that your Saturn landed right on all that crap, so maybe that de-fused him and no wonder he wasn't that way with you. But your former friend probably isn't going to be that fortunate. She doesn't have her Saturn restraining that temper of his like you do. I see too that his sun-venus is pretty much sitting right on your Chiron; no wonder he screwed you over and wounded you... IP: Logged |
lalalinda
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posted September 27, 2011 09:57 AM
Oh Sweetheart, I'm sorry.
I have been following your posts.
This is the guy in entertainment, right?
Well your friend is a scumbag
and what he did to you he will eventually do to her.
Shake it off and Let it go
You've got better things coming.  teasel, I missed your post  IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 27, 2011 10:13 AM
thanks lala!!  if you mean the guy i was an extra in a movie with, yeah that's the one. but if you mean the whopper pseudo-celebrity crush i have, that relationship is strong as ever, in my imagination  IP: Logged |
NativelyJoan
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posted September 27, 2011 10:47 AM
Hi Woah Cakes, I've also been following this thread wow I've been in this situation a couple of times and it sucks. And it's never about the lame guy who screwed you it's about your evil friend who goes along with him. I noticed you're an Aquarius and your former friend is a Libra, thats really sad. I'm a Libra, Aquarius Rising and some of my best friends have been Aquarians, friendship is incredibly important to me and also to many Aquarians. That's just horrible. This guy wasn't compatible for either of you and she'll learn the hard way. Typical Libra falling aimlessly for someone that's clearly not right for her. Especially after seeing what he did to her good friend. I've had a couple friends do this to me.My old roommate and good friend who was a Scorpio got down and dirty with the guy I was seeing. And that was the one and only time they were together. I hope it was worth it because I cut ties with them both. The second was a good friend who I visited in Italy, a Virgo, she hooked up with a guy I meet when we were out, like pulled the steal it was nuts. We'd been talking for sometime and then she grabbed him and started touching him and just like that he was all over her. She did that on a couple of occasions with many other guys. One time I was dating this Aries guy who was a Jazz pianist and I love Jazz and he turned out to be a jerk and I told her this. I found out later she's been hanging out with him. What is wrong with PEOPLE! Your too good for both of them. Maybe each of them wasn't ballsy enough to go after the other on their own so they used the connection they had with you to do that. One of my best guy friends use to tell me that I drew the men in and my bad former female friends would use that opportunity too hook up with them. Which was true. Horrible but true. They all were incredibly insecure and non of those relationships lasted for them, but it was worth it to them even though it cost them our friendship.
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BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 27, 2011 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Oh Sweetheart, I'm sorry.
I have been following your posts.
This is the guy in entertainment, right?
Well your friend is a scumbag
and what he did to you he will eventually do to her.
Shake it off and Let it go
You've got better things coming. teasel, I missed your post
That's another good point. Guys pretty much have an M.O. that they really don't deviate from so yeah, he's probably going to do the same (or something pretty similar), to her, but not before he mistreats her and puts her through a LOT of crap, first. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 27, 2011 12:33 PM
aww joan!  yeah i've had this happen before too; another good friend of mine slept with my ex while she knew we were still together (though having problems) and also flirted with him pretty much constantly for the first year or so we were together. they are still together but he pines after me even though he KNOWS i would never get near him again. he said he did it to hurt me (as well as the many others he cheated on me with at that time). i chalk it up to his aries SN conjunct moon in the 8th and leo saturn in the 12th; self centered with major power issues. and yeah.. i mean it is about the guy in a sense (culpability-wise forsure) but it grosses me out more that yes she knew he effed me over (and said she didn't like what he did) and that she didn't give it any time before jumping in. i'm over someone for all intents and purposes the minute i find out they're effing me around (deeper healing/lessons come slower), but female friends who do stuff like this to eachother is a much sadder thing. it's a betrayal. gives me the jeebees too cuz she was asking me stuff about how he is in bed the week before. as far as i can tell, he's a player and a manipulator and she's lonely and naive and, it would appear, selfish. well she told me recently she only does nice things with an ulterior motive, so there you have it i guess. regarding my shadow: i have to wonder. my conception story appears to contain the microcosm for a life of crap relationship choices. let's see; my dad (who was by all female accounts, and i've heard many stories) the Hottest Guy Ever that everyone wanted, and my mom was kind of mousey and insecure (though also incredibly evil and i'm not sure when this started, but she's psychotic and was extremely abusive.. though very naive with men at least at the start) and she couldn't believe she landed him. well she found out he cheated on her several times and never left him. finally she caught him in bed with someone else and decided to pack up and leave him when he was supposed to be out of town. but while she was doing so, he came home and they had a horrible fight and had sex. and wouldn't you know she'd just removed her IUD (birth control), and voila, i was conceived. so they got back together, got married, had an extremely violent awful relationship inclusive of much cheating, physical and mental abuse both ways. oh and while she was pregnant he beat her up several times and she threw up every meal. i'm not sure how i survived that but i was born at a healthy enough weight and have one of the strongest will-to-live and faithful, optimistic personalities out there. and yet this kind of messed up stuff mirroring my parents' dynamic follows me. i guess psychologically one could say i just have a broken picker. i often fall for the charmer/cheater type of men. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 27, 2011 12:39 PM
oh belligerent i forgot to reply to your take on my saturn on his stellium.. yeah you know i think that is entirely accurate; i always had this disciplining effect on him that i could totally feel. he seemed to look up to me and i kept him on his toes in that sense i think. we also have a tight saturn-saturn opposition so i believe that kept him behaved since my very presence required the best of him. which is why i find it almost comical that he ended up showing himself to be a gigantic creep in the end. IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 28, 2011 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
oh belligerent i forgot to reply to your take on my saturn on his stellium.. yeah you know i think that is entirely accurate; i always had this disciplining effect on him that i could totally feel. he seemed to look up to me and i kept him on his toes in that sense i think. we also have a tight saturn-saturn opposition so i believe that kept him behaved since my very presence required the best of him. which is why i find it almost comical that he ended up showing himself to be a gigantic creep in the end.
I just saw that he has Venus in Sag. They're known for not exactly being faithful and going from person to person. Same thing with Venus in Gemini. Mentally, they're always perma-bachelors. IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 28, 2011 10:54 AM
that's my venus in sag! i'm actually extremely loyal in relationships, probably mostly due to being predominantly fixed and/or it being in the last deg of sag with the sabian "the pope blessing the faithful". not sure but my loyalty has always been my downfall and i tend to stay in relationships too long. also i don't even look at other people unless things are very close to the end. i think venus in sag has extremely high ideals for partership and i think we want a highly spiritually stimulating union; romance to us is like an adventure and i think it can go either way for venus in sag: either that craving for adventure manifests as a wandering eye and impatience with being stagnant/loyal or extreme exhuberance within a sacred, committed relationship.IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 28, 2011 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by woah cakes:
that's my venus in sag! i'm actually extremely loyal in relationships, probably mostly due to being predominantly fixed and/or it being in the last deg of sag with the sabian "the pope blessing the faithful". not sure but my loyalty has always been my downfall and i tend to stay in relationships too long. also i don't even look at other people unless things are very close to the end. i think venus in sag has extremely high ideals for partership and i think we want a highly spiritually stimulating union; romance to us is like an adventure and i think it can go either way for venus in sag: either that craving for adventure manifests as a wandering eye and impatience with being stagnant/loyal or extreme exhuberance within a sacred, committed relationship.
"That's my Venus in Sag!" Then, uh...you cheated on him! *runs and hides* Okay, I'm joking around. I only ever see that description linked to guys with Venus in those signs, anyway. I got confused once you corrected me though, because then at second glance, there appears to be nothing in his chart that would indicate that type of thing. Until I looked closer, and... He DOES have Sag on the cusp of his eighth house though, I just noticed. Which is essentially the same thing. IP: Logged |
tuxedoMask
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posted September 28, 2011 11:10 AM
wow, no one thinks it's interesting that the ex-friend has venus in her twelfth?IP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy
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posted September 28, 2011 12:08 PM
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wow, no one thinks it's interesting that the ex-friend has venus in her twelfth?
Self-destruction or self-undoing via romances. Makes sense. The guy's Mars-Uranus-Pluto falls in there, too...he's probably going to be the 'romantic means' by which she pretty much, f**ks herself. IP: Logged |
tuxedoMask
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posted September 28, 2011 12:19 PM
it's interesting that u say that because my pluto falls in someone's twelfth house and without my knowing it, if i wasn't careful, i know i could've cause a whoooooooooooole lot of trouble for them.IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 28, 2011 12:46 PM
yeah.. i can see that being more of an issue for guys (no offense to the good ones). oh and i don't know their birthtimes forsure!! i'm fairly sure she gave me hers years ago and she was a very late aries moon (and it suits her far more than taurus- she's very emotionally reactive and always rushing around like it's an emergency). and he could also be a 12th house venus since the time of his birth has about an hour's window putting it tightly on either side of his AC. so is there nothing in his chart that shows him as a giant perv?? one of the main reasons i broke it off was that this ex friend in question told me that he cheated on his ex (with whom he has 2 kids) pretty much constantly and i had a suspicion he was seeing other people behind my back and at the very least was pulling major charm and trying to (as he did with her). i would think sun cj venus in taurus on the AC alone could point to incredible hedonism and self-centeredness, couldn't it? IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 28, 2011 12:51 PM
oh and hey is stuff in a person's 12th ALWAYS uncomfortable? mine's super tiny and i can't think of anyone with stuff in there but my aqua stellium of sun, merc and mars falls in my ex's (from way way back) 12th and i need to know if that is necessarily a terrible thing cuz sometimes i think i still love him. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted September 28, 2011 12:58 PM
They don't only have a Venus/Mars and Venus/Pluto conj in their synastry but they also have a nice tight Moon/Sun conjunction. This one could last.However, you ought to forget them both. They found each other thanks to you. Your role is finished with them; you don't have to be friends to either. hugs to you,
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woah cakes
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posted September 28, 2011 01:05 PM
i should also add that i was warned on linda land by a couple wise ladies about this dude but i ignored it. i'm GUESSING his stellium in my 8th and charming crap on my chiron and our composite sun and moon being exactly conjunct were all too much, but anyway i never fully trusted him or fully gave my heart to him, so yay.OH but now this is making me wonder really tight saturn aspects and if they are ALWAYS karmic, maybe. cuz her venus on my saturn = major love karma/lessons, her saturn on my jupiter = her coveting my mate, maybe?? she always, like i said, seemed to feed off of my good energy and i felt like this was a manifestation of that. and then my saturn right on his uranus/pluto and opposed his saturn = challenging responsibility in eachother and what he does with his power (he's super hot, successful, charming, SEEMINGLY the 'perfect man' upon presentation). so, i wonder if maybe saturn draws all this out into the open and forces karma to be reckoned with, at least, in tight conjunctions like this. THOUGHTS??! IP: Logged |
woah cakes
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posted September 28, 2011 01:16 PM
anongrl10.. thanks for your input. i honestly don't care whether it lasts or not. i have a very "aquarian" live or let live basic philosophical outlook in general. i feel grossed out by how they both behaved toward me, however. and like, now she parks her car 1/2 a block from his house right on my route to walk my daughter to school (we live in a small town and i'd have to go two blocks out of my way to avoid walking near it) while she's at his house. i dunno if this is some passive agressive rubbing of it in my face or not, but it bothers me. if this all had been above board and if they could have just waited a month or whatever i would be far less upset. but yeah they do have some great synastry. i guess it depends what they do with it. i can't honestly say i hope the best for them cuz i don't feel very generous toward either of them anymore, but i don't hope the worst either cuz that wouldn't sit well with me. i just want her to park her car somewhere f'n else and to forget them, more or less. i don't think either friendship is recoverable. IP: Logged |
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