posted October 06, 2011 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BP,

I somewhat disagree.

Even though what you said is absolutely spot on in a general sense, you have to take the actual charts into account. I for once am one of these people who really do not care for their DESC-sign and placements in my 8th or 5th house are actually very rare and need to be strongly connected to my romantic planets to trigger any kind of romantic attraction. I have seen the 5th house being the strongest of these three.

On the other hand whenever I am really attracted to someone, they strongly hit my 1st house especially. Sag and Capricorn.
I know everyone goes off to say how boring that is. Not so for me.
*shrugs*

I`d take a Sag or Cap over a Taurus, Gemini or Cancer any day.

The exception would be if that Taurus-planet was trine my Venus or that Cancer-planet was conjunct my Saturn-Vertex.

So I think we need to keep both in mind, the general meaning and symbolism, and in this regard I agree with you, having someone`s planets in the 5th, 7th and 8th will make us pay attention and MOST OF THE TIMES it will play out exactly as you said.

But then there are those times when it does not. And when Lonake (or someone else) sais she did not feel attracted to someone with a stellium in her relationship houses, then that`s just it. At least for her that theory does not work (all of the time).

The interesting thing would be to find out WHY it works so superbly in 80% of the cases, and not in the remaining 20%.

I myself would like a mix.
A Sag/ Cap with something in my 5th house , which happens rarely.
But since the 5th house ruler is in Cap, chances are that the Cap planet might trigger it this way.
And a planet / angle close to 19 Cancer (my Saturn is: 17 Cancer, my Vertex is 21 Cancer) at least insures some emotional investment on my part, even though it is not painfree (Chiron on 20 Aries).
The other area in Cancer would be about 6-9 Cancer, opposing my Venus and squaring my Pluto.

But that`s it. There are very definite areas / degrees in 5th and 8th house that resonate with me, while it does not seem to matter where exactly someone puts their planets into my 1st house, it resonates as a whole. Though chances are that they will hit *something* given how full my first house is.

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Actually you just put words in my mouth, because I never said that as long as those houses are activated, you don't need anything else and that you don't have to have any aspects going on between each other's planets.

posted October 06, 2011 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I can't believe people are actually in here typing with a straight face that those houses don't matter when it comes to romance, or even worse saying that activating those houses is actually negative....

*blank stare*

Maybe if you want your relationship to be strictly platonic, sure. Then again, all friendships worth anything have an element of emotional intimacy to them, so that theory is shot right to hell, too LMAO.

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posted October 06, 2011 01:41 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
[b] I can't believe people are actually in here typing with a straight face that those houses don't matter when it comes to romance, or even worse saying that activating those houses is actually negative....

*blank stare*

Maybe if you want your relationship to be strictly platonic, sure. Then again, all friendships worth anything have an element of emotional intimacy to them, so that theory is shot right to hell, too LMAO.

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When did I tell you the nature of anything? I never spoke to you, never referenced you and wasn't talking about you.

posted October 06, 2011 01:44 AM            

maybe I misunderstood, but I don`t think anyone said here that 5th, 7th, 8th house do not matter in romantic relationships.
Just that it does not work as easy as in the equation personal planet in 5th house = sexual attraction.
Much of the time it will exactly mean that, but then there are those cases where it doesn`t seem to.
Puzzling really, but we cannot discuss that away, can we?

So, there has to be a reason for that, and for me, I have the hypothesis, it has to do with the placement of these rulers natally. Not sure if THAT is a valid hypothesis in every case.

And nope, I am not into platonic romantic relationships. I like me some zest and spark.

It is obvious to me how I will not really be all that attracted to anyone, anless they aspect my Venus. It is odd, I can have all the most beautiful Sun-Moon-Pluto-whaatever synastry, but no aspects to my Venus = no attraction. For ME. Doesn`t mean it is always the case.
But I can`t help but noticing how my Venus rules my 5th house.
It`s like aspecting my Venus gets my 5th house-motor running.

Lonake,

I agree on the importance of the ASC-ruler. Also love them in aspect to 5th and 8th house ruler for sexual attraction, and to ASC ruler, or Sun or Moon for that vibrating compatibility, not really sure about the DESC.

It just doesn`t feel all that romantic to me, even though natural ruler is Libra.

It`s like - generally saying- in the 5th (a fire house) sexual / romantic attraction is generated but in a rather uncommitted way; in the 7th house you start viewing someone as natural partner and are ready to commit, but due to the balancing nature of the 7th house it could be surprisningly un-sexual (or at least that is not the focus - it is an Air house after all) and in the 8th house you have the combination of sexual attraction and commitment, which gives that potential to merge in very intimate ways (a water house).

Of course this is a very generalized view, and let us not forget the 6th house) - someone will have to wash the dishes!
And sharing everyday life with each other sometimes can be a real challenge.

Let me be very simplistic:

5th: you meet, fall in love, start dating
6th house: you decide to move in together and handle everyday life
7th house: you decide to be longterm partners and stay together, sometimes marry
8th house: you are being merged into an unit, due to the sharing of passion and intimacy, being able to live with each other in everyday life and view yourselves as committed partners

posted October 06, 2011 01:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
[B]BP,

maybe I misunderstood, but I don`t think anyone said here that 5th, 7th, 8th house do not matter in romantic relationships.
Just that it does not work as easy as in the equation personal planet in 5th house = sexual attraction.
Much of the time it will exactly mean that, but then there are those cases where it doesn`t seem to.
Puzzling really, but we cannot discuss that away, can we?

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posted October 06, 2011 02:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I agree on the importance of the ASC-ruler. Also love them in aspect to 5th and 8th house ruler for sexual attraction, and to ASC ruler, or Sun or Moon for that vibrating compatibility, not really sure about the DESC.

It just doesn`t feel all that romantic to me, even though natural ruler is Libra.

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posted October 06, 2011 02:01 AM            

1. A planet being in the house in question.

2. A planet aspecting the ruler of the house in question.

3. A planet being in the same sign as the house cusp in question and it’s ruler.
e.g. with a Cap Dsc, ruled by Saturn in Gemini… and there are planets in Gemini and Capricorn in the partners chart, or a strong Saturn and Mercury, or a strong 3rd house and 10th house.

4. Planets in the sign ruled by a planet in the house in question.
e.g. you have Jupiter in the 7th house… and there are planets in the partners chart in Sagittarius, or a strong Jupiter or 9th house.

5. Planets in the sign connected to the house in which the ruler of the house in question is located.
e.g. your 7th house ruler is in the 12th and you marry a person with strong Pisces/Neptune/12th house in the chart.

6. Planets in the house symbolically related to the sign on the 7th, 5th or 8th house cusps. This is a tricky one, and kind of based off of my own observations… but, if you have a Gemini Dsc, see if your partner has planets your 3rd house… or in the sign of the planet ruling that house. Or if you have a Taurus Dsc, see if your partner has planets in you 2nd house, or in the sign of the planet ruling that house. By symbolically related, I mean that Aries on a house cusp is symbolically related to the 1st house, Virgo on a house cusp is symbolically related to the 6th house, Scorpio on a house cusp is symbolically related to the 8th house, and so on…

e.g. Ceri has a Gemini Dsc, and her 3rd house cusp falls in Aqua with all of the sign Pisces intercepted in that house… the gentleman she likes has a Pisces Asc falling into her third house.

e.g. 2 Ceri has a Taurus 5th house Cusp, and her 2nd house cusp is in Capricorn… the gentleman she likes has his Venus sitting right there in her 2nd house in Capricorn (it helps also that her 5th house ruler Venus is also in Capricorn)

e.g. 3 I myself have a Gemini Dsc, and my 3rd house Cusp falls into Aqua ruled by Uranus in Scorpio… I’ve always had a thing for people with personal planets in these signs (Scorpio and Aquarius) but never really got why… then I checked my 3rd house cusp and made the connection between my Gemini Dsc and my 3rd house… I know another girl with Sag rising that married a Aqua with a Scorpio Moon, and she also has Aqua on the 3rd ruled by Uranus in Scorpio… her Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury in Leo. The Connection to her husband doesn’t show unless you were to take the 3rd house into account along with the Gemini Dsc.

And I copied and pasted this part from my Nordic Soul thread, but I thought it was relevant to my perspective on interpretation. Keeping in mind my above statments about what I mean by a 'connection' between houses...

Ceri said…

“We`re in the same boat when it comes to the sign of our DESC. My DESC is in Gemini and I hardly meet any Gemini-types, though I´ve met some guys with their MarsI in my 7th house, even conjunct DESC (no clue why it is always Mars. lol)

But I do not feel attracted to them in any kind. I couldn´t care less, there is a mental rapport, but no attraction.

I see two reasons for this:
1. First of all I think that even though the 7th house might signify with whom you might have a good relationship, as in "partnership", it is more an attration of lifepartners, even friends; all it does is it makes you pay attention, notice the other person, probably giving a sweet harmonious balancing Venusian vibe, but I think it does not indicate any physical/ sexual attraction.
if someone fills my 7th house but with no sparkly aspects elsewhere, I probably will probably notice them and become good friends with them, but will not fall in love (in ancient times falling in love was not necessary to have a good marriage / partnership; all that was needed was mutual respect and teamwork, and that is what the 7th house can be about, I guess).”

I think you have a very valid point… to me connections to the 7th house in synastry opens the door to the possibility that a person is someone that you like and want to be with… you enjoy being around their energy period… but when it comes to romantic sparks, I believe the 5th house and it’s ruler in synastry are the culprits for making our hearts go pitter patter… and for making us idealize a person, and causing us to be impressed by them… the 5th house is all about infatuation, and who you’re ‘in love with’.

Speaking for myself personally, the very first thing I check for in love synastry is connections to the 7th house (which is more about what we need then what turns us on). However, the second thing I then check is always what connections there are regarding the 5th house and it’s ruler. To me the 5th is second only to the 7th in terms of causing an attraction to others… it’s that extra something that gets you excited. If there is not some type of connection to the 5th , as well as the 7th in romantic synastry I tend to feel that there is something missing… and that’s from my own experience and not just observation.

Just like you Ceri, I have a Gemini Dsc with Mercury in Sag ruling the 7th house cusp… and in my case Jupiter also falls into the 7th in early Cancer… and I have always known I liked funny, talkative guys that have a great sense of humor, and I just love Sagittarians. But never had I liked a Gemini… in fact in my early 20’s I thought that Geminis sounded were kind of annoying, and that there was little chance that I’d go for one…that is until I met one that also had planets in Aries in my 5th house… it was a crush that went nowhere… but it did teach me a lesson about how astrology actually does work.

I’ve also had some Gemini celeb crushes… like Hugh Laurie from House. He is a Gemini with Moon in Leo, and a Venus/Mars conjunction in Leo… and as it happens, my Aries 5th house cusp is ruled by Mars in Leo… so there is both a 7th house and a 5th house connection. Russell Brand is another one, although in this case he also kind of makes me feel icky as well, there’s sort of an attraction/repulsion thing there. Anyway Brand has a Gemini Sun and some Aries planets as well…

So yeah, although the 7th may fill your heart with affection and make you want to be with someone, alone it’s not enough to set your heart on fire or anything… but a 5th house influence combined with a 7th house influence can be like magic. The third thing I check is the 8th house, and to me it’s the ‘I wanna get inside you, and know everything about you up close and personal’ house. Synastry connections involving this house tend to pull you in and make you want to get in deep with someone. It’s not so much about adoring someone as it is about being fascinated by them… you want to know how they tick. I tend not to place as much emphasis on the 8th as I do on the 5th as it does not seem to be as essential for romantic attration to occur as the 5th is. Without some type of connection to the 5th falling in love just doesn’t seem to happen.

The 8th however, is a very bonding energy and can also be about the kind of connection you have with someone that goes beyond friendship and romance, where you know them completely and just love them as a person. Something as simple as having someone’s personal planets in soft aspect to your 8th house ruler works well for this. This usually makes you feel very safe and comfortable with someone. The 7th house is the official relationship where two people meet fact to face, while the 8th is where they merge and intermingle.

So I guess in terms of priority for me the 7th house comes first, because without it you probably wouldn’t want to partner with someone in the to begin with… And the 5th house comes second… because and liking each other and friendship is great, but you want to be ‘in love’ too right?…Then third comes the 8th house… because feeling connected on a intimate level, and being able to be share personal things with each other in a relationship… is just nice.

Ideally, I’d like to see synastry connections with all three houses one way or another.

Lonake, if this man in question is all about your 7th house but doesn’t really connect with your 5th, this may be a reason for why you were good friends but he didn’t ‘do it’ for you. I suspect the stellium you have in his 5th house is why he may have fallen for you, especially when combined with the fact that your Sun is in the same sign as the cusp of his Dsc…

if a planet is in the same sign as the Dsc, it can still work as an attractive force in another’s chart even if it doesn’t actually fall into the 7th house (although it does enhance it to also have it in the 7th house)… I’ve also noticed that if a planet falls into the 7th house but is in the same sign as the 8th house cusp that there is sort of a combination energy there… there is still the 7th house likeing, affection thing… but it seems to be mixed with a little 8th house fascination as well…

posted October 06, 2011 02:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
"I can't believe people are actually in here typing with a straight face that those houses don't matter when it comes to romance, or even worse saying that activating those houses is actually negative...."
---My comments on this thread or those of another. Enlighten me. I know bs when I hear it and to see you in here going on about putting relationships in pre-packaged boxes so that they fit with your view on synastry is outrageous at best.

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Actually, no. I was talking about Ceridwen - which actually makes sense...considering... she (or he) and I had been going back and forth with one another before I made that comment.

posted October 06, 2011 02:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
And I just want to mention that a ‘connection’ to a house can mean several things.

1. A planet being in the house in question.

2. A planet aspecting the ruler of the house in question.

3. A planet being in the same sign as the house cusp in question and it’s ruler.
e.g. with a Cap Dsc, ruled by Saturn in Gemini… and there are planets in Gemini and Capricorn in the partners chart, or a strong Saturn and Mercury, or a strong 3rd house and 10th house.

4. Planets in the sign ruled by a planet in the house in question.
e.g. you have Jupiter in the 7th house… and there are planets in the partners chart in Sagittarius, or a strong Jupiter or 9th house.

5. Planets in the sign connected to the house in which the ruler of the house in question is located.
e.g. your 7th house ruler is in the 12th and you marry a person with strong Pisces/Neptune/12th house in the chart.

6. Planets in the house symbolically related to the sign on the 7th, 5th or 8th house cusps. This is a tricky one, and kind of based off of my own observations… but, if you have a Gemini Dsc, see if your partner has planets your 3rd house… or in the sign of the planet ruling that house. Or if you have a Taurus Dsc, see if your partner has planets in you 2nd house, or in the sign of the planet ruling that house. By symbolically related, I mean that Aries on a house cusp is symbolically related to the 1st house, Virgo on a house cusp is symbolically related to the 6th house, Scorpio on a house cusp is symbolically related to the 8th house, and so on…

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I don't know about all that, I just know this : that in every relationship I've ever had that was SIGNIFICANT and had a lasting effect, the other person had something important in their chart, falling in my 5th, 7th or 8th houses - or vice-versa.

The same has also shown itself to be true in random synastry charts for other couples I've looked at over the years.

Another thing to look for too is natal aspects to the nodes and the vertex - which makes sense considering the nodes have to do with the past life, the current life, and what path you're on, and how the vertex is essentially what you're really drawn to and what sets you off deeply in some way. Combine that type of thing with some kind of activity in the house of romance, marriage and intimacy/depth, and yeah - there's something intense and serious going on there.

posted October 06, 2011 03:03 AM            

not sure how I was putting comments in your mouth.
But if you feel that way, I apologize. It certainly was not my intention.

Actually I was just giving my own view on things, I thought that was clear to see.

posted October 06, 2011 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BP,

not sure how I was putting comments in your mouth.
But if you feel that way, I apologize. It certainly was not my intention.

Actually I was just giving my own view on things, I thought that was clear to see.

BTW what do you mean we have been going back and forth with another?

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I said one thing. You responded by adding things to it that I never said or implied. I corrected you. You continued doing it.

posted October 06, 2011 03:32 AM            

if a planet is in the same sign as the Dsc, it can still work as an attractive force in another’s chart even if it doesn’t actually fall into the 7th house (although it does enhance it to also have it in the 7th house)… I’ve also noticed that if a planet falls into the 7th house but is in the same sign as the 8th house cusp that there is sort of a combination energy there… there is still the 7th house likeing, affection thing… but it seems to be mixed with a little 8th house fascination as well… "
---I've been around men who put things in my 5th, there's no attraction for me there. Either way, them to me or me to them. He had Mars conj Saturn, I share that aspect as well as having Venus in Cap sq Saturn. He had Venus Aquarius I have Sun/Uranus. He had Sun h6/Moon h8, I have Sun h8/Moon h6. He had Merc conj Mars I have Mars 3rd. etc. We were friends but the attraction not mutual. I have Moon/Venus aspect Pluto and he had Pluto h1 and still didn't do anything for me. What wrote it off for me was his Moon sq my Mercury (which is conj my DSC so Mercury synastry to me is v.important). Plus his natal and the way he acted it out.

I'm however very attuned to the MC in synastry as I love having a partner that I can admire. I don't care if it's sq my Moon/Venus/NN, opp my Mars/Saturn/Pluto, I love their energy (so long as that planet is not Mercury, mind (!). I have Moon/Venus in Capricorn and Mars conj Saturn. That's the only explanation I can come up with.

posted October 06, 2011 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
I said one thing. You responded by adding things to it that I never said or implied. I corrected you. You continued doing it..

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It`s called conversation.

But yes, let`s leave it at that.

posted October 06, 2011 04:31 AM            

thanks you for the detailed description. I only had a glimpse, but it seems you fleshed out exactly what I`ve been thinking.
I was anticipating that we are on the same page in this, but it is always good to know that we are really talkinga bout the same thing if we mention "connection to a house".

posted October 07, 2011 04:14 AM            

let me try to summarize / repeat what you wrote (.

So, for a complete picture of the natal 5th house we would consider:

1. sign at the cusp:
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in my chart: Taurus

2. ruler of the 5th house in sign and house:
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Venus in Capricorn in 1st house

3. aspects to the ruler of the 5th house (?):
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you didn`t mention them, but would you consider them? (I relaly only take conjunction and square into account, because they are dynamic, maybe opposition; I think I would leave out those planets that are natally located in the 7th house, as they might be projected; or would we consider them as well?)

square Pluto

4. planets in the 5th house:
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none

5. the signrelated house and the sign on its cusp:
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since Taurus is on my 5th house cusp, and Taurus is associated with the 2nd house; I look at the 2nd house in my chart:

there is Capricorn

6. ruler of that related house in sign and house
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Saturn in Cancer in 8th house

So my relationship profile would contain:

° Saturn / Capricorn: probably dominant, because it is mentioned twice

° Pluto / Scorpion: mentioned twice: Pluto aspects 5th house ruler and the ruler of the related house is in 8th house

° Venus / Taurus

° Mars /Aries (because 5th house ruler is in the house, associated with Aries, the 1st house)

° Moon / Cancer (but probably not so strong).

posted October 07, 2011 04:23 AM            

But just lately I´ve been wondering, if it might not get too detailed and considering so many things could lead to us finding fitting constellations always?
Also are we maybe mixing apples and oranges here?
The sign describing how someone will act, but the house being more indicative of the area they will manifest that energy.

For example: with my venus in Capricorn I am quite controlled, reliable and pretty much boring. lol
But I am actually not all that ambitious and wanting to be in a position of authority (it happens, but it is not really where I strive to be).

Or in the case of the gentleman. He has got that Sag stellium in 10th house. He certainly is in a prominent position, and I guess he likes it there.
But the way he acts in the public is very Sagittarian-like, playful, outgoing, extrovert and so on.
There is really nothing stiff or slow about him.

On the other hand I see that at one point the meanings of signs and houses may become so similiar, that it maybe is not that important to isolate them.

I am not yet decided, cause honestly I have seen the houses work in this respect very well, like you described.

But referring to my 5th house, so I would probably look for a man who has strong

Capricorn/Saturn / 10th house
Scorpio / Plto / 8th house

Aries / mars / 1st house

and maybe to a lesser degree:
taurus / Venus / 2nd house
Cancer / Moon /4th house

posted October 07, 2011 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Thanks, Lotis White.

As I said in my post to BP above, I somewhat agree and disagree at the same time to the "the 5th/ 7th/ 8th house MUST be triggered for everyone" idea.

What I forgot to add was, that I do not think that it is in all cases necessary to give planets into these houses, especially if they do not make aspects to personal planets or points.

BUT if we mean by "triggering" that someone either gives planets (with synastric ties) into thse houses or / and is aspecting the ruler of these houses I would agree.

As a matter of fact I place more importance on the houseruler in this regard than on the house itself; because the houseruler can carry the theme anywhere in the chart, and we would miss the central theme if we ignored them.

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posted October 08, 2011 12:39 AM            

And Ceri,

Yeah, I very much count ASPECTS to the house rulers for synastry (and natal interpretations), along with planets actually located IN each others houses.

And I check the houses symbolically connected to the natal 7th and 5th houses, and sometimes the 8th house… to see if the partners planets fall in these houses, or aspects the cusp rulers… through synastry and overlays.

Another thing I look at is sign/ planet/ house matches. For example if your Dsc is Taurus, ruled by Venus in Cancer, with the Sun falling into the 7th house… then I would consider it a positive indication for attraction if your partner had…

1. Planets in Taurus, Cancer and/or Leo

2. Venus, the Moon and/or the Sun strongly aspected in their natal chart, conjunct an angle, or in the 1st house (the persona house)

3. Planets in THEIR natal 2nd, 4th and 5th houses. (This one is not as strong as the planet and sign matches listed above, but it is still an influence that is worth taking into consideration when looking at the overall pattern).

And lets just say that in this case Venus in Cancer falls into the 9th house… then I would also consider it positive if the partner had planets in Sag, a strong natal Jupiter, or planets in the 9th house themselves… (again, the HOUSE of the cusp ruler does not seem to be as strong as the SIGN of the cusp ruler. It’s more diluted somehow… but still an influence that colors your taste in terms of attraction).

Adding more detail to the picture, lets also say that the Cancer Venus is question is trine Uranus, within a one degree orb, but then also conjunct Saturn by 3 degrees… again, a partner who as some strong Uranus/Saturn, Scorpio/Capricorn, or 10th house/8th house influence in their natal, would hold an appeal to this person…

Whatever the cusp ruler is doing by house or aspect is significant.

And yes, to me looking at the natal aspects to the relationship house rulers is important. I know of one example where a person had Saturn square the 7th house ruler, and they married a Capricorn.

I would take into consideration ANY aspect to a house ruler, with a conjunction being the most potent, second the opposition, then the square and trine (which I consider to be almost equal in potency… just the energy flow is different… squares are turbulent… trines are smooth), then the sextile, then any minor aspects… kind of similar to what you mentioned.

The orb has an effect as well… within 3 degrees is really strong…any aspect with an orb wider then 5 degrees won’t be as influential…

After checking all of the above….

Then I look at the BIG PICTURE of all of these factors combined to glean the overall likelihood of a romantic relationship occurring. What I look for is several STRONG indicators of the same thing, a pattern of potential attraction occurring throughout the synastry. I would expect to see the above signs, planets, houses, and aspects repeating themselves in the partners chart in a way that matches the overall theme of both your natal 7th and 5th houses especially, and hopefully the 8th house as well.

One or two weak connections are not enough… for instance, I feel that there NEEDS to be a few connections to both the 5th and the 7th houses in some way for a relationship to have both the romance factor, and the friendship/liking factor…

By connections I mean house ruler synastry, house overlays (planets in houses), and sign/ planet/ house matches… where the partner’s chart reflects the symbolism of your relationship house, by the sign on it’s cusp, and it’s ruler by sign, house and aspect… and any planets falling into that house.

For sign/ planet/ house matches… using the same Taurus Dsc example from above…lets just say they settled down with a Cancer Sun conjunct their Venus, this Cancer also had a Taurus Asc and Moon in Leo (relating to the Sun in the 7th). And they also happened to have Jupiter in Sag conjunct Uranus in Sag (relating to Venus in the 9th trine Uranus), and this Sag Conjunction is aspecting their Leo Saturn which is conjunct their natal IC in the forth house (relating to Venus in Cancer conjunct Saturn, and also the Sun in the 7th). This is just a hypothetical example of the type of scenario I look for...and it's best if both partners are reflected in each other's charts this way.

There are literally thousands of ways for a person’s chart to fit with your preferences…

As for planets in the 7th, yes I do think that projection can be involved… but their also something undeniably real about being attracted to that planet’s energy as it truly is embodied by others. For myself I feel that we are attracted to this energy, and that we also ‘use’ it while we are in relationship mode… like my Jupiter in the 7th attracts me to Sagittarians, and yet also makes me want to show my partner how positively, and cheerfully I can relate…

Also… as mentioned above, if you had a Taurus Dsc, it is positive if your partner puts planets in YOUR 2nd house…as well as if they have planets in their OWN 2nd house.

It is good if they put planets in your 2nd house because this brings alive the area of life that feeds your relationships.

(In the case of a Gemini Dsc…COMMUNICATION fulfills a dominant relationship need that you have, so when someone puts planets or points IN or ASPECTING you 3rd house, it can work as an attracting force… they are able to fulfill a prime area of focus that you have for partnership… that of an intellectual compatibility).

It is good if they have planets in their own 2nd house (or in Taurus, or a strong Venus, using the Taurus Dsc example), because then they exhibit a natural tendency of their own, to focus on those particular issues that you deem important for a relationship.

(in the case of a Gemini Dsc, when the partner has planets in their own 3rd house, or in Gemini, or a strong Mercury in the natal… it is as if they are tailor made to fit what you are looking for… same thing if your Dsc ruler is in Sag and the partner has planets in Sag, in the 9th house, or a strong Jupiter… these types of themes will show up repeatedly in the charts of those that fit your taste)

However… in the case of a Taurus Dsc having Venus in Cancer, and then looking to see if the partner puts planets in your 4th house… to me this is kind of pushing it a bit… I’m not ruling it out, it may well have some influence… but in my experience the houses symbolically related to the sign ON the 7th, 5th and 8th house cusps, are most definitely a strong influence… and I’ve seen them ‘work’ in many different examples.

The houses symbolically related to the sign of the 7th ,5th and 8th house cusp RULERS, however, I haven’t studied so who knows… and including them in synastry, and in determining a persons taste is a little mind boggling… I mean how many houses are we gonna use? Like I said I’m open to it but I’m pretty sure other factors out weigh it in influence…

Also wanted to mention that a connection to the natal 1st house, from the partner’s 7th, 5th or 8th houses(or vise versa), would be a big deal in my book, on the same level as the Sun or Moon aspecting it. Any connections between the angle cusp rulers and a partners 7th, 5th and 8th houses probably says a lot about what it is about the partner that attracts… their reputation, what they have attained (10th), how they present them selves, their style (1st), their family background and where they come from (4th), how they deal with others, how they treat you in the context of your partnership, and who they are connected with (7th)…

You said…

“So my relationship profile would contain:

° Saturn / Capricorn: probably dominant, because it is mentioned twice

° Pluto / Scorpion: mentioned twice: Pluto aspects 5th house ruler and the ruler of the related house is in 8th house

° Venus / Taurus

° Mars /Aries (because 5th house ruler is in the house, associated with Aries, the 1st house)

° Moon / Cancer (but probably not so strong).”

Yes! That’s pretty much exactly how I’d analyze your 5th house.

It’s interesting, I think you mentioned having a bit of a thing for Aries before… and you have both the 7th and the 5th rulers sitting in you 1st house… there is both a 7th and 5th house connection to that sign…

I guess in this long post I’ve been trying to express everything that encompasses how a look at people’s charts to determine if they are each others type, and if there is a potential for romantic interest…

After I look at all the above house related stuff… then of course I check the regular planet synastry… and other important things like aspects to the Nodes… (how someone influences our life journey…) and aspects to the Vertex… (do they stick in your mind, and feel like fate, or a dream come true…)

And in terms of synastry, for romance I like to see at least one aspect between a traditional male planet and a traditional female planet… just for good old basic physical attraction. I look for Mercury connections too…(having something to talk about is good)… as well as all the other typical synastry stuff that people look for… But I always start with the house stuff.

If you have anymore questions about how I read, let me know.

posted October 08, 2011 04:14 PM            

"check the houses symbolically connected to the natal 7th and 5th houses, and sometimes the 8th house… to see if the partners planets fall in these houses"
I have tried this method out with some synastries, and though I did not have "hits" in every case, I found the result very convincing; so I am going to incorporate this idea of yours into my checklist from now on.

", or aspects the cusp rulers… through synastry and overlays. "
So you would also notice the cusp ruler of the associate house in synastric aspect?
like my 5th house is associated with the 2nd house (or the other way round) and 2nd house ruler is Saturn, so aspects to my Saturn,w ould give a - probably minor- information on my 5th house as well?

Actually I have already begun to call them "primary ruler " (the actual ruler of 5th house cusp) and "secondary ruler" (the ruler of the house cusp associated with the sign on 5th house cusp).

"1. Planets in Taurus, Cancer and/or Leo"
Yes, I check for this as well, especially Sun, Moon, ASC, chartruler and Venus(for women) and mars (for men) as their "gender representant".

"2. Venus, the Moon and/or the Sun strongly aspected in their natal chart, conjunct an angle, or in the 1st house (the persona house)"
Which brings us to the question: when is a planet considred strong?

I think we might have similiar thoughts on this as well; so far I was thinking a planet is strongly aspected if it is conjunct Sun, Moon, ASC, ASC-ruler, conjunct another angle or in the 1st house.
Maybe other tight aspects could be considered strong as well.

Though in my case, with four planets in first house, it seems like I might naturally "fulfill" a lot of these needs, especially the Sun, Mercury, Venus, neptune, Mars ones. With Pluto conjunct MC. Sun and ASC in Sag, Moon in Aqua, Venus in Cap, the question is what planet is not strong in my chart?
Well, Moon I guess. lol
Though some are clearly stronger than others; like Jupiter having several hits. Sun and ASC in Sag. ASC square Jupiter. Which might "beat" mars, which is "only" conjunct ASC.

is one is not as strong as the planet and sign matches listed above,
Though you also would give the signs priority (at least in matching-terms)?

"nd lets just say that in this case Venus in Cancer falls into the 9th house…"
Venus as DESC-ruler in 9th house you mean?

It’s more diluted somehow… but still an influence that colors your taste in terms of attraction).
I agree.

"he orb has an effect as well… within 3 degrees is really strong…any aspect with an orb wider then 5 degrees won’t be as influential…"
I agree.
I am very sure about those aspects under 3 degrees, but even in the example I posted I am a bit torn.

There is this Mars/Jupiter conjunction in Virgo in his chart on 11 and 10 Virgo, losely trine my Venus on 6 capricorn.
But the Venus-Mars- trine is just shy of 5 degrees. Is it still valid, or not?
Or am I grasping here?
I think I feel it, but maybe that is due to other connections?
Of course it would be nice, if it was valid, not just because it is Mars-Venus, but also because Mars is his intercepted 1st house ruler and Venus is my 5th house ruler.

"I feel that there NEEDS to be a few connections to both the 5th and the 7th houses in some way for a relationship to have both the romance factor, and the friendship/liking factor… "
Yes, I agree.

"By connections I mean house ruler synastry, house overlays (planets in houses), and sign/ planet/ house matche"
so three layers:

1. sign / planet / house matches
2. house overlays
3. houseruler synastry

plus the usual planetary synastry of course

See it the same way, though I still need to systematize it for my use.

"where the partner’s chart reflects the symbolism of your relationship house, by the sign on it’s cusp, and it’s ruler by sign, house and aspect… and any planets falling into that house."
I wonder how much matches are needed to "lit up the spark". I guess we cannot get everything at everytime, but one reflection would probably be too little.

"and it's best if both partners are reflected in each other's charts this way. "
Yes, otherwise it gets tricky, disbalanced and maybe even onesided, especially if there are no synastric aspects to the person`s 5th house ruler, who does not get their 5th house needs fulfilled.

"ike my Jupiter in the 7th attracts me to Sagittarians, and yet also makes me want to show my partner how positively, and cheerfully I can relate… "
Yes, it makes sense.
I do not have planets in my 7th house, so I cannot speak from own experience. But it definitely makes sense to me how you explain it.

"because then they exhibit a natural tendency of their own, to focus on those particular issues that you deem important for a relationship. "
Yes, definitely.

if this is not the case, but there is the fitting overlay in synastry, maybe it just means that people focus on different things and express themselves differently, and yet they can "fit" each other well?
Though maybe there would not be as much common ground to share.

"owever… in the case of a Taurus Dsc having Venus in Cancer, and then looking to see if the partner puts planets in your 4th house…"
So in this case you would look for the natal, like them having something in their natal 4th house, but not so much for the synastric overlay?

I mean how many houses are we gonna use? "
Yes, exactly my problem. If we go into too many details, it will all become connected and almost arbitrary, but if we leave out important things the results will not be valid.

"Also wanted to mention that a connection to the natal 1st house, from the partner’s 7th, 5th or 8th houses(or vise versa), would be a big deal in my book, on the same level as the Sun or Moon aspecting it"
Agreed.

"here is both a 7th and 5th house connection to that sign…"
Yes, that is true.
How funny that the gentleman`s 1st hous has intercepted Aries. lol
And his 7th house ruler is in Sag in 9th house,c onjunct my ASC. his 5th house ruler is not in 9th house, but at least in Sag.

"And in terms of synastry, for romance I like to see at least one aspect between a traditional male planet and a traditional female planet…
By traditional you mean Sun-Moon, Venus-Mars?

"Otherwise, next up I’m gonna specifically look at the synastry comparison that you posted."
Thank you.

posted October 09, 2011 07:03 PM            

I have been in a relationship with my Pisces friend 3 years this November. Things will be going along nicely for several months and then I will face him with an emotion I am having and he will detach. I think I am going to ask about it in a new thread.
Would you be willing to analyze his Partner Profile for me? You do such a great job. Whatever other information you may need, please let me know. I appreciate it!

5th house Libra
ruler Venus; Venus in Pisces falls at the end of his H9, sometimes interpreted H10

His Moon and Jupiter are in his 5th house
Moon in Libra
Jupiter in Scorpio

7th house Capricorn
ruler Saturn; Saturn in Taurus falls in his H11
no personal planets in his 7th house

posted October 10, 2011 01:13 AM            

I need a method / systematic approach for myself, so I can prioritize the constellations in a more objective way. Otherwise I might end up emphasising aspects I like to see, when in fact others may be stronger.