posted October 05, 2011 02:01 AM            

Now, with my own thoughts and what you`ve been writing, I was thinking about how such an analysis / compiling of information could look like and came up with this, and of course the guy in question is of some interest to me.

Regardless of what we are "fated" to be or not to be (I am not yet sure about that), I was wondering what these aspects and placements tell about potential attraction and compatibility and friendship. I am stressing the word "potential" here of course; even though I am interested, the main purpose of this thread is to get to a working synastric system, which allows a good overview.

So after all that talking:

I RELATIONSHIP PROFILE:

MINE:

1) 5th house: Romance

cusp in Taurus; ruler VENUS
Venus in CAPRICORN (Saturn) square PLUTO

2) 7th house: Partnership

cusp in Gemini: ruler MERCURY
ruler in SAGITTARIUS (Jupiter) conjunct SUN

3) 8th house: (sexual and emotional) intimacy

cusp in Cancer, ruler MOON
ruler in AQUARIUS
SATURN in Cancer in 8th house

HIS:
1) 5th house: Romance

cusp in Cancer, ruler MOON
ruler in SAGITTARIUS (Jupiter), conjunct SUN, square SATURN

2) 7th house: Partnership

cusp in VIRGO (ruler Mercury)
ruler in SAGITTARIUS (jupiter) square JUPITER and square MARS

LIBRA (Venus) intercepted in 7th house
ruler in CAPRICORN (Saturn) square PLUTO

SATURN and PLUTO in 7

I see a dominance of Jupiter, Saturn and Pluto in relation to the 7th house here:

ruler of 7th house in Sagittarius square Jupiter

ruler of int. 7th house in Capricorn trine Saturn and Saturn itself in 7th house

ruler of int. 7th house square Pluto and Pluto itself in 7th house

3) 8th house: Intimacy

cusp in Scorpio, ruler PLUTO

ruler in LIBRA (Venus) square VENUS

URANUS in 8th house

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A. How he "fits" into my relationship profile:

1) 5th house Romance:

my 5th house in Taurus:
- nothing (except for a mars-Venus-sesisquare)

my 5th ruler in Cap :
- Venus in Cap trine Saturn; Sun and Moon square Saturn

(not sure if Venus in a man`s chart is enough to "fulfill" that part of profile; wouldn´t Mars be more fitting?)

my 5th ruler square Pluto:
- Venus square Pluto

Well, if Venus is an indicator, then he would fit that part of my profile rather well I think, if not, it is somewhat lacking I guess.

2) 7th house: partner

7th house cusp in Gemini:
- his Mars squares MERCURY

my 7th house ruler in Sagittarius:
- his Sun, Moon and MC in Sagittarius
- his Mars conjunct Jupiter

my 7th house ruler conjunct Sun:
- his Moon conjunct Sun

3) 8th house: intimacy

my 8th house cusp in Cancer:
his Sun conjunct MOON

my 8th house ruler in Aquarius:
only a sextile between Venus and Uranus (though Venus is in 11th house)

my Saturn in 8th house:
his Sun and Moon square Saturn
Capricorn Venus trine Saturn

B. How I fit into his profile:

1) 5th house: Romance:

his 5th house cusp in Cancer:
- nothing worth mentioning (my moon is pretty much unaspected natally)

his 5th house ruler in Sagittarius:
my Sun and ASC in Sagittarius
ASC square Jupiter

his 5th house ruler conjunct Sun:
my Sun in 1st house

his 5th house ruler square Saturn:
my Venus in Capricorn (Moon quinkunx Saturn)

2) his 7th house: Partner

7th house cusp in Virgo:
my Mercury conjunct Sun in 1st house

his 7th house ruler in Sagittarius square Jupiter:
my Sun and ASC in Sag, ASC square Jupiter

his 7th house ruler square mars:
my ASC conjunct Mars

Libra intercepted in 7th house:
my Venus in 1st house

7th house ruler in Cap; Saturn in 7:
my Venus in Cap (Moon quinkunx. saturn)

ruler of 7th house square Pluto, Pluto in 7:
my Venus square Pluto (and Pluto angular on the MC)

3) 8th house: intimacy

his 8th house cusp in Scorpio:
my Venus squares Pluto and Pluto angular

his 8th house ruler in Libra square Venus:
my Venus in 1st house

Uranus in his 8th house:
my Moon in Aquarius

Two things caught my attention:

1). he has Uranus (in Scorpio) in 8th house, I have Saturn (in Cancer) in 8th house, which looks like conflicting needs in terms of intimacy; at the same time, at least I have some kind of Uranian vibe (with Moon in Aquarius, and Uranus unaspected he tends to act like a wild card and is surprisingly strong at times; at the same time Saturn is pretty dominant in his chart, though maybe he lives it as "projection", as Saturn is in his 7th house.

posted October 05, 2011 02:26 AM            

A. My houses:

1) 5th house: Romance

ruler Venus:

trine his Mars (4.58) - his ASC-ruler
trine his Jupiter (4.02) - his MC and 9th house ruler
trine his NN (4.45)
trine his Chiron (3.28)

his CHIRON in my 5th house

2) 7th house: Partner

ruler Mercury

conjunct his Sun (1.55) - his 6th house ruler
conjunct his Moon (3.34) - his 5th house ruler
square his Saturn (1.40) - his 11th house ruler
conjunct his Neptune (4.35) - his ASC-ruler
sextile his Pluto (3.40) - his 8th house ruler
semisquare his Chiron (0.27)
square his Vertex (2.39)
square his ASC (1.47)
conjunct his MC (2.20)

3) 8th house: intimacy

ruler: Moon

sextile his Neptune (3.21) - his ASC-ruler
trine his Pluto (4.17) - his 8th house ruler

B. HIS houses

1) 5th house: Romance

ruler Moon:

conjunct my Sun (2.41) - m,y 9th house ruler
conjuncct my Mercury (3.34) - my DESC-ruler
sextile my Uranus (2.45) - my 3rd house ruler

my SATURN and VERTEX in his 5th house

2) 7th house: Partner

ruler Mercury:

conjunct my Mars (4.12) - my IC-ruler
square my Jupiter (1.50) - my ASC-ruler
conjunct my Neptune (0.34) - my 3rd house ruler
sextile my Pluto (0.18) - my 11th and 12th house ruler
conjunct my NN (0.47)
conjunct my ASC (2.22)
sextile my MC (4.25)

ruler Venus:

semisquare my Jupiter (0.18) - my ASC-ruler
semisquare my Neptune (0.58) - my 3rd ruler
semisquare my NN (0.45)
oposite my Vertex (4.26)

(there is a tight interconnection of his Venus, his Mars, his Jupiter and my Mars, Jupiter, Neptune and NN; of course here it is "only" semisquares to his Venus, but these align with very tight-exact midpoint pictures; which is why I started keeping an eye on these semi- and sesisquares in tight orb; also becaus I apparently have a Hammer of Thor in my own natal chart, and the interpretation I was provided for this just took my breath away, because it was so on the mark).

my MC, PLUTO and URANUS in his 7th house

3) his 8th house: intimacy

ruler Pluto:

sextile my Sun (4.33) - my 9th house ruler
trine my Moon (4.17) - my 8th house ruler
sextile my Mercury (3.40) my DESC-ruler
semisquare my Mars (1.13) - my IC-ruler
square my Saturn (4.26) - my 2nd house ruler
opposite my Chiron (1.21)
square my Vertex (0.06)
semisquare my ASC (0.38)[/b]

my MARS and ASC in his 8th house

C. significant houses:

my DESC is in Gemini:
- his ASC is in my 3rd house

posted October 05, 2011 02:41 AM            

° his Sun, Moon, MC conjunct my Sun and Mercury (1.01/ 1.55/ 2.41/ 3.34/ 1.27/2.20)

° his Saturn, Vertex and ASC square my Sun and Mercury
(0.46/ 1.40/ 1.46/ 2.39/ 2.40/ 1.47)

° his Chiron semisquare my Sun and Mercury (1.20/ 0.27)
° his ASC trine my Vertex (1.47)
° his uranus trine my Vertex (1.55)

° his Mercury conjunct my Mars, ASC, Neptune, NN
(4.12/ 2.22/ 0.34/0.47)

° his Mercury square my Jupiter
1.14

° his Mercury sextile my MC and Pluto
(0.18/ 4.25)

° his Mars and Jupiter square my Neptune, NN and ASC
(1.09/ 0.56/ 4.05/ 0.13/ 0.00/ 3.08)

° his Mars and Jupiter trine my Venus
(4.58/ 4.02)

° his Chiron trine my Venus (3.28)

° his NN trine my Venus (4.45)

° his NN square my Mars (3.47)

° his Venus semisquare my Neptune, NN and Jupiter
(0.58/ 0.45/ 0.18)

° his Venus opposite my Vertex
(4.26)

° his Neptune sextile my Moon (3.21)

° his Neptune conjunct my Mercury (4.35)

° his Pluto sextle my Sun and Mercury (4.33/ 3.40)

° his Pluto trine my Moon (4.17)

° his Pluto semisquare my Mars (1.13) and ASC (0.38; opposite my Chiron (1.21) and square my Vertex (0.06)

° his NN semisquare my Saturn (0.34)

° his NN sextile my Uranus (0.01)

Double Whammies:
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° his Mercury conjunct my ASC - my Mercury square his ASC

° his Venus semisquare my Jupiter - my Venus trine his Jupiter

° his Mars opposite my Jupiter - my Mars square his Jupiter (wide)

° his Mercury conjunct my Neptune - my Mercury conjunct his Neptune

° his Mercury sextile my Pluto - his Pluto sextile my Mercury

° his Venus semisquare my NN - my Venus trine his NN

posted October 05, 2011 02:47 AM            

EDIT:

I was thinking about how to identify dominant planets which are usually mainly manifested in one`s personality (as opposed to be sought out into partners only) and came up with that simple system (first approach only; of coruse other planets might be dominant as well).

Anyway, that is what I have come up with:

° Sun, Moon, ASC, chartruler in sign
° Venus (for women), Mars (for men) in sign
° conjunctions to Sun, Moon, ASC, chartruler (and Venus and Mars)

° planets in 1st house

° other angular planets, excluding 7th house
(maybe only conjunctions to the angles are really d ominant, not sure yet)

° handle-planets (relevant for me as I have a bucketshape, and all my chart is funnelled through Saturn in 8th house)

Going through this checklist some planets are being mentioned more often than others, for me I have according to that list three top`s:
Neptune (strongest)
Mercury
Jupiter
(Saturn)

This actually makes a lot of sense in terms of my personaity.

I was wondering to include tight squares to the identity-planets, but wasn`t certain; conjunction seems stronger as it is an aspect of fusion.
On the other hand people with a square to Sun or Moon usually exhibit these traits strongly.

What do you think?

BTW with strong or dominant I mean, that the person will exhibit the planet`s traits clearly in their personality.

posted October 05, 2011 01:41 PM            

And hi, Stellium, long time no talk, hu?
How are you?

posted October 05, 2011 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
But basically yeah, any kind of synastry where planets fall into the others 5th, 7th and 8th houses, is a good thing

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You could attract someone rotten to you who wants to do you harm. It has no bearing on good or bad. In many cases it has no bearing on attraction at all due to there being no interest where you would assume some to be there.
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Ceri since you are going off of Lotis's thread (where she wrote about synastry - to lotis white) (H5,7,8) I'll back away since she has a different way of reading synastry than I do, but likely more in line with the way you are posting info here. She's probably better at reading lists than I am.

Something I've found significant that you mentioned on this thread already is conj to another's chart ruler, particularly to the DSC with the chart ruler person tending to hold the main interest for the DSC person in that equation. Lately I'm finding that I place more and more emphasis on ASC ruler in synastry.

posted October 06, 2011 12:15 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BelligerentPygmy:
[b]But basically yeah, any kind of synastry where planets fall into the others 5th, 7th and 8th houses, is a good thing

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You could attract someone rotten to you who wants to do you harm. It has no bearing on good or bad. In many cases it has no bearing on attraction at all due to there being no interest where you would assume some to be there.
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Ceri since you are going off of Lotis's thread (where she wrote about synastry - to lotis white) (H5,7,8) I'll back away since she has a different way of reading synastry than I do, but likely more in line with the way you are posting info here. She's probably better at reading lists than I am.

Something I've found significant that you mentioned on this thread already is conj to another's chart ruler, particularly to the DSC with the chart ruler person tending to hold the main interest for the DSC person in that equation. Lately I'm finding that I place more and more emphasis on ASC ruler in synastry.

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Actually? Yes.

When it comes to a romantic relationship where you want the person to actually be INTO you, yeah - 5th 7th and 8th house activity is a good thing. It means that at least they're aware of your existence, feel strongly about you and give a crap in the first place. Sure, when it comes to the 7th house it can also manifest as them considering you an open enemy, but the 7th is also the house of the MARRIAGE partner so it's worth the risk.

posted October 06, 2011 01:04 AM            

I think you are right about the lst house ruler being significant in synastry… especially if it is aspecting someone else’s Asc or Dsc ruler… or even the rulers of the 5th and 8th houses (in the context of romance anyway). The Asc ruler aspecting any personal planet is significant in any relationship.

posted October 06, 2011 01:18 AM            

“When it comes to a romantic relationship where you want the person to actually be INTO you, yeah - 5th 7th and 8th house activity is a good thing. It means that at least they're aware of your existence, feel strongly about you and give a crap in the first place. Sure, when it comes to the 7th house it can also manifest as them considering you an open enemy, but the 7th is also the house of the MARRIAGE partner so it's worth the risk.
We all know about house overlays in synastry. Try to have a relationship with someone where you don't trigger those houses in their chart (or they don't trigger yours) and see how much of a bond is there or how much chemistry you have. Sure, you may end up being cordial acquaintances or even liking one another in a friendly way, but if you want a serious romantic relationship you're just wasting your time.”

Your rock!!! That’s exactly what I’ve been getting at this whole time!

posted October 06, 2011 01:18 AM            

I somewhat disagree.

Even though what you said is absolutely spot on in a general sense, you have to take the actual charts into account. I for once am one of these people who really do not care for their DESC-sign and placements in my 8th or 5th house are actually very rare and need to be strongly connected to my romantic planets to trigger any kind of romantic attraction. I have seen the 5th house being the strongest of these three.

On the other hand whenever I am really attracted to someone, they strongly hit my 1st house especially. Sag and Capricorn.
I know everyone goes off to say how boring that is. Not so for me.
*shrugs*

I`d take a Sag or Cap over a Taurus, Gemini or Cancer any day.

The exception would be if that Taurus-planet was trine my Venus or that Cancer-planet was conjunct my Saturn-Vertex.

So I think we need to keep both in mind, the general meaning and symbolism, and in this regard I agree with you, having someone`s planets in the 5th, 7th and 8th will make us pay attention and MOST OF THE TIMES it will play out exactly as you said.

But then there are those times when it does not. And when Lonake (or someone else) sais she did not feel attracted to someone with a stellium in her relationship houses, then that`s just it. At least for her that theory does not work (all of the time).

The interesting thing would be to find out WHY it works so superbly in 80% of the cases, and not in the remaining 20%.

I myself would like a mix.
A Sag/ Cap with something in my 5th house , which happens rarely.
But since the 5th house ruler is in Cap, chances are that the Cap planet might trigger it this way.
And a planet / angle close to 19 Cancer (my Saturn is: 17 Cancer, my Vertex is 21 Cancer) at least insures some emotional investment on my part, even though it is not painfree (Chiron on 20 Aries).
The other area in Cancer would be about 6-9 Cancer, opposing my Venus and squaring my Pluto.

But that`s it. There are very definite areas / degrees in 5th and 8th house that resonate with me, while it does not seem to matter where exactly someone puts their planets into my 1st house, it resonates as a whole. Though chances are that they will hit *something* given how full my first house is.

posted October 06, 2011 01:25 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
That’s exactly what I’ve been getting at this whole time!

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posted October 06, 2011 01:25 AM            

As I said in my post to BP above, I somewhat agree and disagree at the same time to the "the 5th/ 7th/ 8th house MUST be triggered for everyone" idea.

What I forgot to add was, that I do not think that it is in all cases necessary to give planets into these houses, especially if they do not make aspects to personal planets or points.

BUT if we mean by "triggering" that someone either gives planets (with synastric ties) into thse houses or / and is aspecting the ruler of these houses I would agree.

As a matter of fact I place more importance on the houseruler in this regard than on the house itself; because the houseruler can carry the theme anywhere in the chart, and we would miss the central theme if we ignored them.

posted October 06, 2011 01:25 AM            

As I said in my post to BP above, I somewhat agree and disagree at the same time to the "the 5th/ 7th/ 8th house MUST be triggered for everyone" idea.

What I forgot to add was, that I do not think that it is in all cases necessary to give planets into these houses, especially if they do not make aspects to personal planets or points.

BUT if we mean by "triggering" that someone either gives planets (with synastric ties) into thse houses or / and is aspecting the ruler of these houses I would agree.

As a matter of fact I place more importance on the houseruler in this regard than on the house itself; because the houseruler can carry the theme anywhere in the chart, and we would miss the central theme if we ignored them.

posted October 06, 2011 01:31 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
BelligerentPygmy said…

“When it comes to a romantic relationship where you want the person to actually be INTO you, yeah - 5th 7th and 8th house activity is a good thing. It means that at least they're aware of your existence, feel strongly about you and give a crap in the first place. Sure, when it comes to the 7th house it can also manifest as them considering you an open enemy, but the 7th is also the house of the MARRIAGE partner so it's worth the risk.
We all know about house overlays in synastry. Try to have a relationship with someone where you don't trigger those houses in their chart (or they don't trigger yours) and see how much of a bond is there or how much chemistry you have. Sure, you may end up being cordial acquaintances or even liking one another in a friendly way, but if you want a serious romantic relationship you're just wasting your time.”

Your rock!!! That’s exactly what I’ve been getting at this whole time!

And Ceri, I am coming back to you probably in the next couple of days. When it comes to doing Synastry I’ve got to psych myself up for it… but I’ve had a quick look already and I can see some really obvious connections already….

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*laugh* Thanks.

But yeah - after all, I mean come ON - the fifth is the house of romance; the seventh, marriage; the eighth is sex and emotional depth and emotional-intimacy, merging....I can't believe people are actually in here typing with a straight face that those houses don't matter when it comes to romance, or even worse saying that activating those houses is actually negative....

*blank stare*