posted October 16, 2011 07:46 PM            

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Originally posted by anongrl10:
I would argue that (almost?) nothing squaring Moon can ever bring a desire for "torture, murder, rape". The Moon is "soft" energy; can't go beyond getting whinny and nagging when p*ssed off.
For truly malicious potential it's best to look at a malefic planet, like Saturn, in hard aspect with Mars.

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posted October 16, 2011 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by frankie2912:
moon square mars, mars square uranus, pluto conjunct asc. i have all these..and i have some pretty taboo, dark, twisted f*cked up desires

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posted October 16, 2011 07:50 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
and a square must be involved bc the aggression is not been expressed in a balance way.

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posted October 16, 2011 07:55 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Wow. Thanks for sharing this.......perhaps there is something to moon square mars, it would be interesting to see where his moon and mars lands and the rest of his chart to know for sure. He could be saying this for shock value or as a cry for help or he could be dead serious. You should post his chart!

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posted October 16, 2011 07:57 PM            

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Originally posted by maira:
Unevolved:

Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Mars/Saturn hard aspects(even 135 or 45 degrees)
Mars/Pluto aspects
Venus/PLuto for rape

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posted October 16, 2011 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Mars/Saturn hard aspects(even 135 or 45 degrees)
Mars/Pluto aspects
Venus/PLuto for rape
Venus/Mars is not enough though.
Mercury/PLuto hard aspects-> definitely
Pluto,Mars in 8th or 12th maybe.
Some say moon square venus can make someone cruel because you are never satisfied in relationship you tend to become selfish so forget spouse demands and act depending on yours etc... This is just my opinions and observations and they can be wrong of course.

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Meh, I have those first two, along with :

Venus parallel Pluto
Mercury quintile Pluto
Pluto in the 8th

posted October 16, 2011 11:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amelia28:
[b]and a square must be involved bc the aggression is not been expressed in a balance way.

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posted October 16, 2011 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amelia28:
[b] Wow. Thanks for sharing this.......perhaps there is something to moon square mars, it would be interesting to see where his moon and mars lands and the rest of his chart to know for sure. He could be saying this for shock value or as a cry for help or he could be dead serious. You should post his chart!

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posted October 17, 2011 01:18 AM            

One reason I do not favour the Hard vs Soft aspects theory is because it is an oversimplification.

Squares mean that a person had difficulty in balancing the different polarities while an opposition means they are torn towards one or the other polarity, sometimes expressing one, at times the other.

Trines allow the eergy to flow in a harmonious way i.e, in a way that builds and fortifies each other and not cancels out, same goes for sextiles which are like a lite version of a trine.

Conjunctions are the ultimate state where both energies blend into a different entity.

In fact, grand trines are found in the charts of sociopaths indicating an ability to be self-contained and self-sufficient without need for outside validation.

posted October 17, 2011 01:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Frozen Queen:
Ah the argument of square vs trines.

One reason I do not favour the Hard vs Soft aspects theory is because it is an oversimplification.

Squares mean that a person had difficulty in balancing the different polarities while an opposition means they are torn towards one or the other polarity, sometimes expressing one, at times the other.

Trines allow the eergy to flow in a harmonious way i.e, in a way that builds and fortifies each other and not cancels out, same goes for sextiles which are like a lite version of a trine.

Conjunctions are the ultimate state where both energies blend into a different entity.

In fact, grand trines are found in the charts of sociopaths indicating an ability to be self-contained and self-sufficient without need for outside validation.

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So are you saying that in your experience you have found grand trines to be more commonly found than squares in the charts of sociopaths?? or would you say is about 50/50?

posted October 17, 2011 02:22 AM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Interesting! My friend has Mars in 12th house and she was almost raped when she was younger. She has an obsession of rape and she likes to write stories about it.

By the way, what do you think of this guy's chart?

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you can totally still see the name underneath the black trying to cover it in the chart! lol

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intervals of horrible
sanity.-Poe

If the truth is relative then there's nothing that is really true.

You were created the same way I was and will eventually be destroyed the same way as well.

Who saw him die?

posted October 17, 2011 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Frozen Queen:
Ah the argument of square vs trines.

One reason I do not favour the Hard vs Soft aspects theory is because it is an oversimplification.

Squares mean that a person had difficulty in balancing the different polarities while an opposition means they are torn towards one or the other polarity, sometimes expressing one, at times the other.

Trines allow the eergy to flow in a harmonious way i.e, in a way that builds and fortifies each other and not cancels out, same goes for sextiles which are like a lite version of a trine.

Conjunctions are the ultimate state where both energies blend into a different entity.

In fact, grand trines are found in the charts of sociopaths indicating an ability to be self-contained and self-sufficient without need for outside validation.

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That's not what sociopathy is.

Sociopathy is the complete and total lack of empathy and and a conscience.

Empathy is typically associated with Neptune. Conscience, if you define it as the sense of right and wrong and having a point you won't go beyond, is probably Saturn and to some extent Jupiter? So I'd look to see what those are doing in a chart, and even then having those badly afflicted or something isn't a guarantee that someone is a sociopath any more than mars-pluto supposedly guarantees violence.

posted October 17, 2011 03:17 AM            

Glibness and Superficial Charm --- Awhl rite, I'll take a stab at the astro of these for fun. Libra, H7 emphasis, Venus/Jupiter, Mercury highlighted, Gemini, Mercury/Venus, Mercury/Jupiter, H3 luminary, Moon/Jupiter, Aquarius

Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims. --- Afflicted Leo or Libra, Sun/Jupiter, Pluto, Scorpio, afflicted Saturn in Gemini, Leo or Libra, ruler of 7th in 1st for others serving the self, ruler of 1st in the 7th for wanting others to carry out your deeds, Pluto in 7th or conj DSC for dominating others, likewise Pluto conj ASC or in the 1st, Venus sq Pluto

Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right." --- Jupiter, Leo, Sagittarius, afflicted Sun, afflicted Jupiter, Sun/Jupiter

Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests. --- Mercury/Neptune, Mercury/Pluto, afflicted Pisces, afflicted Gemini, Sun/Neptune, H3/H12 rulers in hard aspect, H3 ruler hard aspect Mercury/Pluto/Uranus/Neptune

Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way. --- Mars/Mercury, Mars/Saturn, combinations of Moon or IC ruler with Mars/Saturn/Uranus/Pluto

Shallow Emotions
When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises. --- H4 ruler or Moon in Capricorn/Scorpio or hard aspect Saturn or Pluto, emphasis more on Pluto/Scorp than Saturn for ulterior motives, Saturn/Cap is for perceived coldness. Moon/Mercury/Pluto, Mercury/Venus/Pluto, Moon/Mercury/Saturn

Incapacity for Love --- Whatever might show the likelihood of not receiving love in childhood. Saturn/Pluto hard aspect to Sun/Moon/Venus/H4 ruler, Saturn for strained bond or not living up to expectations, love that has conditions, Pluto for abandonment or manipulation as basis for love from parent, Pluto can be conditional love as well since as long as you are going along with the parent's aims in their desire for being top dog (the one in power) you are in safe territory, IC ruler or Moon hard aspect Uranus for general instability while growing up, emotions that turn on and off in a blink.

Need for Stimulation
Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common. --- Sun/Venus/Mars to Uranus/Neptune, strong Sagittarius, Aquarius, Uranus, Fire emphasis in general

Callousness/Lack of Empathy
Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. --- weak Neptune/Pisces, Moon/Saturn, Mercury/Saturn, Mercury/Mars/Saturn

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others. --- Uranus/Neptune for lack of impulse control, Pluto for manipulation, Mars to Uranus/Saturn/Pluto for rage

Early Behavior Problems/Juvenile Delinquency
Usually has a history of behavioral and academic difficulties, yet "gets by" by conning others. Problems in making and keeping friends; aberrant behaviors such as cruelty to people or animals, stealing, etc. --- Luminary afflicted by Uranus for juvenile delinquent behavior and dismissive of society's mores, strong Aquarius, Merc/Neptune/Pluto for conning

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed. --- weak or heavily afflicted Saturn combined with strong Neptune/Pisces, afflicted Scorpio

Promiscuous Sexual Behavior/Infidelity
Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts. --- Luminary in 8th, H4 housing Neptune or its ruler afflicted by Neptune, Neptune Scorp hard aspect Moon, Sun/Moon/Venus/Mars to Uranus/Neptune, ruler of 8th in 4th hard aspect to Moon/Venus/Mars

Lack of Realistic Life Plan/Parasitic Lifestyle
Tends to move around a lot or makes all encompassing promises for the future, poor work ethic but exploits others effectively. --- weak Saturn for lack of work ethic/personal responsibility, along with factors for charm and using others to serve one's purpose. All encompassing promises is dominant Jupiter/Neptune/Sagittarius/Neptune with Mercury or H3 ruler being touched for verbal expression of such, prob by hard aspect, H7 ruler in the 2nd can exploit others for personal gain

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily. --- Strong mutability, luminary in mutable house, ASC ruler in mutable house, Gemini/Virgo/Sadge/Pisces emphasis, afflicted Neptune, low emphasis on Fixed signs/houses

posted October 17, 2011 02:13 PM            

Thanks for this wonderful info....

I had a best friend in High School, back then I was really naive and innocent but I was always good at reading people and have good instincts. The longer I knew my friend the more I realized that everyone thought she was super sweet but she was actually manipulative and was the type to have people in the palm of her hand including her parents. She used people but was very subtle about it. Her using was a combination of good subtle manipulation tactics with lack of remorse and sense of entitlement.

Personally I fall under the need for stimulation, have some promiscuous aspects that I feel are kept mostly under control by my sun in virgo and saturn in scorpio, I have mercury square neptune but I only lie if I think I am in trouble otherwise I am known for been very blunt and open...and I do have a lot of mutable signs in me so I am good at playing it cool and changing appearances if needed to stay out of trouble.

My friend that I was best friends for 10 years stopped referring to me as best friend when she met this new girl who she had only known for maybe a month and started calling her best friend. After that I stopped been friends with her as she pushed my limit with that incident. She has: sun square saturn, sun square pluto, moon in scorpio square mercury and lilith, mercury square saturn, mercury square pluto, venus square jupiter, venus square uranus, scorpio rising square mercury, opposition jupiter and opposition uranus.

I am not manipulative, or have lack of remorse (if anything have a tendency to feel remorse when I shouldn't such as deciding to quit my job in order to be happier as I tend to put other people's needs first), or deep seated rage, or lie compulsively or use anyone. I ALWAYS shoot for win win situations and protect people that I think can be taken advantage of and worry about such people a lot.

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Do You Think This Psychic Is Cute?

posted October 17, 2011 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
I have moon in pisces opposition sun, I dont know if this means my pisces is afflicted but I feel is this aspect that makes me a really compassionate person and gives me ability to put myself in other people's shoes easily.

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posted October 17, 2011 03:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
You cannot know whether or not someone is evolved from looking at a chart, Maira.
Sad.

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posted October 18, 2011 05:01 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I believe topic starter asked about *subconcious* desire; In that regard,we must not skip neither H12 or Neptune in aspect to personal planets.
Karka,how do u know it's subconcious? Or u see what u want to see? cuz that speaks only of the interpretator and nothing of the interpreted.

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Mmm, good point Venus.

Tell me, which is the correct way?

posted October 27, 2011 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Like a desire but you don't know you have it but it could be triggered(something of that manner)
I'm simply curious if there is any aspects like that.

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I have heard that ruler of 12 in aspect to pluto. I have checked with some people i suspect has been victims and it fits, but i am not sure about perpetrators.

posted October 27, 2011 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
Mars/Saturn hard aspects(even 135 or 45 degrees)
Mars/Pluto aspects
Venus/PLuto for rape
Venus/Mars is not enough though.
Mercury/PLuto hard aspects-> definitely
Pluto,Mars in 8th or 12th maybe.
Some say moon square venus can make someone cruel because you are never satisfied in relationship you tend to become selfish so forget spouse demands and act depending on yours etc... This is just my opinions and observations and they can be wrong of course.

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posted October 27, 2011 05:34 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
mars in 12th house?
Mars square uranus?

I had an ex that told me once he had thoughts about rape, and according to him of course would never do it but still, the fact he thought about it is kinda freaky no?

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