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Topic: In which aspects makes you have a subconscious desire of torture, murder, and rape?
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bethcarliseh
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From: Ontario Canada
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posted October 28, 2011 09:46 AM
  
Every Man has had fantasies about raping a woman and every woman has had fantasies about being raped. Who can deny it?IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero
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posted October 29, 2011 08:20 AM
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anongrl10
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posted October 29, 2011 08:31 AM
Agree with RP.
Anyone who thinks that "rape is desirable by all" is really having a screw loose in my opinion. I don't mean it in a demeaning way; I mean it in an honest/earnest kind of way. Rape is a form of violence. Wanting to be raped is pretty much like wanting to have a bullet planted on you. Can't be smart or psychologically healthy.
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Fuzzy
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posted October 29, 2011 09:51 AM
One thing for sure though, a sexual fantasy of rape is brought about by hard aspects between Mars and Uranus in the natal chart (maybe other stuff too, but this is the one I know of). I have the square myself and know a few people who have squares and oppositions, and they all told me they like to role-play either being raped or raping their partner in bed. If the partner is not okay with it though, they just fantasize about it. Not all of them are accepting of that desire in themselves either, but I feel like that's more of a Saturn thing in the way. It's not like any of these people would actually rape someone, it's more of a preference. And I don't think one can blame someone for being born with an aspect as long as this person doesn't actually go out and rape.
If all it does is manifest in a consensual fantasy between partners, I don't see anything wrong with it. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 29, 2011 10:14 AM
Well, it's one thing to have a fantasy you never act on, or perhaps one you would explore in a close relationship with a consenting adult, and a whole other to "have a desire to rape people or to be raped" let alone to expect "everyone" to have this desire. Desire from fantasy is a few miles away from each other. Desire, as you know, fuels action. Fantasy on the other hand is rarely acted upon. Role-play is based on fantasy too and as its name says it's a "play", i.e. not real life. IP: Logged |
Fuzzy
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posted October 29, 2011 10:41 AM
I don't think it's expected of everyone to want something like this... Just like any other part of someone's personality, a desire for rape is uhh "optional".Even with Mars-Uranus, it doesn't mean the person would ever want it to happen. With my square, I have nothing against that kind of role-play. But once I almost got raped in real life, and, honestly, not a fan of that experience. It was as bad for me as it would be for anyone else. Let's keep it all on a friendly, consensual level. Maybe actually raping someone is having this desire and having it supported by more aggressive placements + unfavorable transits...
Maybe rapists are those people with Mars-Uranus hard aspects and "heavy" charts, with a lot of problematic aspects... and those who either never really had a partner and feel unloved, or have a partner who puts them down for their desires, or maybe those who struggle with accepting these desires in themselves (Saturn opposite Uranus? Saturn-Uranus-Mars T-square?)... Just speculating.
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Desire, as you know, fuels action. Fantasy on the other hand is rarely acted upon.
Well... I figured fantasy is something one wants in sex, and therefore acts it out in a scenario form with a partner... There has to be a desire in the first place to come up with a fantasy like that...
But now I notice none of this really answers the original question about a subconscious desire. Hah. All of this is pretty conscious. 
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nordicsoul
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posted October 29, 2011 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
Every Man has had fantasies about raping a woman and every woman has had fantasies about being raped. Who can deny it?
are you serious? i have never had a fantasy about being raped IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted October 29, 2011 02:08 PM
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
Every Man has had fantasies about raping a woman and every woman has had fantasies about being raped. Who can deny it?
and...be carefulwith these assumptions... this is what RAPIST say to themselves to justify their actions. that is untrue... and the prove is that I have never had such fantasies. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted October 29, 2011 06:46 PM
I think the female rape fantasy, for women that have it, is predicated not upon the act of rape exactly, but upon being in a position for not having to be held accountable for their sexual feelings. I'm talking about the fantasy here. I don't have it but I know there are some that do. They have the fantasy they get to say here I am getting screwed and I don't have to be responsible for having sexual feelings, they can still think they're pure and not dirty (in their minds somewhere sex is a bad dirty act cos they don't want to own it) and don't have to deal with the responsibility of asserting themselves as a sexual woman. It's immature female sexuality, but not necessarily evil or rotten.
The men who want to rape, well, there are a lot of them around and they do it. Or take out their sexual anger on their poor girlfriends/wives/prostitutes.IP: Logged |
bethcarliseh
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posted October 30, 2011 08:16 AM
To the people who are getting defensive, you didn't have to say anything. No one is going to single you out. I understand the human condition to its highest level, so therefore I understand that everyone who is reading this has at some point in their life had the thought or fantasy of being raped and/or raping. If you haven't thought about it, then you have dreamed it. No one can lie to me, I can see through everything. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 30, 2011 08:51 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
The men who want to rape, well, there are a lot of them around and they do it. Or take out their sexual anger on their poor girlfriends/wives/prostitutes.
Exactly. It's an act of violence. Sexuality has nothing to do with rape, or being raped.
I know people who fantasize about violent sex but in real life they would be unable to kill a mosquito let alone be violent to their partners or to strangers.
Bottom line: there is a line between fantasy and reality. Those who confuse the two are not the healthiest people psychologically.
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KarkaQueen
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Registered: May 2011
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posted October 30, 2011 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
Exactly. It's an act of violence. Sexuality has nothing to do with rape, or being raped.
I know people who fantasize about violent sex but in real life they would be unable to kill a mosquito let alone be violent to their partners or to strangers.
Bottom line: there is a line between fantasy and reality. Those who confuse the two are not the healthiest people psychologically.
True. I think violence and sex is linked together in a deep, deep subconscious part of our brain. Think it's instinct? Well. our conscious part isn't wired by instinct, more by free-will? Or something like that, I don't know. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted October 30, 2011 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
I think violence and sex is linked together in a deep, deep subconscious part of our brain. Think it's instinct? Well. our conscious part isn't wired by instinct, more by free-will?
Good point! Yes, violence (a fear and anger byproduct) and sex are both part of our ancient brain (called the "Limbic system") and it is not rational or deterministic but instinctive. The functions of our neocortex on the other hand like "will" and "rational thinking" are completely under our conscious radar.
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nordicsoul
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posted October 30, 2011 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by bethcarliseh:
To the people who are getting defensive, you didn't have to say anything. No one is going to single you out. I understand the human condition to its highest level, so therefore I understand that everyone who is reading this has at some point in their life had the thought or fantasy of being raped and/or raping. If you haven't thought about it, then you have dreamed it. No one can lie to me, I can see through everything.
given that you know everything about everyone, could you tell me which number of the lottery i should try to become a millionaire. Ihave never heard such a non-sense. I have no reason to become defensive. I am very open about my sexuality and my fantasies and I have not had sexual fantasies of anybody raping me. That is fact. If you believe it or not, that is your problem. you probably belong to the group of people who justify crime in the name of "knowing" what other people want. but you are wrong. there may be many people or a small proportion or people who have that fantasy. I dont know. I dont know about other people fantasies. I know about mine and i know that i dont have these fantasies. so please, STOP attributing your desires to others. What you are doing is justifying crime. and this is unaceptable to my view. IP: Logged |
nordicsoul
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posted October 30, 2011 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
True.I think violence and sex is linked together in a deep, deep subconscious part of our brain. Think it's instinct? Well. our conscious part isn't wired by instinct, more by free-will? Or something like that, I don't know.
I suspect there is a link between sexuality and violence in that there is an energy that you use either through violence or sex. some people mix them. some people need the violence to feel as some people need drugs to feel. it is not ramdom that mars has to do with sexuality and violence... thinking about how your mars is in a chart, i would guess mars-venus aspects= turn on about being seduce or seduce mars-uranus = turn on by things that break the rules (doing it in an elevator, doing outside to other people view, whatever add a thrill)
mars-pluto: turn on by power play such as being dominant or being. some violence can be spotted depending on the rest of the chart.
mars-saturn= some restrictions that build up and can end up in violence. if connection with the 8 house can become violent, but the violence would be different that one coming from pluto-mars. there is not turn on by the violence is more as consequence of restricted assertiveness. IP: Logged |
Lotis White
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From: USA
Registered: Dec 2010
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posted October 30, 2011 07:09 PM
I’ll admit I do fantasize about being aggressively pursued by a Man, although rape itself is too extreme… thing is that in your fantasies it’s always someone who is incredibly attractive, with whom your in love with and secretly long for… like in a cheesy romance novel. However, in reality it’s not always like this. I prefer my fantasies to stay exactly where they are… in my imagination! In real life it’s best to get to know someone as a friend first, to learn to love and respect each other as people before getting physical, and to be kind to each other. Once I know a guy and am comfortable with him, and have already decided he’s the right one for me… only then would I be okay with him approaching in a forward type of way… but before this I expect him to be a gentleman and prefer a friendly approach.I think most women are like this…
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bethcarliseh
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From: Ontario Canada
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posted October 31, 2011 02:26 AM
like I said, if you don't fantasize it then you dream it happens. Women and even Men have at some point in their human existence pondered what it was like to be dominated and controlled. It is a thought that is inevitable. You cannot sit there in your little computer chair and tell me that this hasn't crossed your mind. You cannot hide the human condition from me because I have experienced it to the extreme.IP: Logged |
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