posted October 29, 2011 07:24 PM            

That's all I can remember
here's mine
sun - Aquarius
moon - Pisces
mercury - Aquarius
Venus - Pisces
Mars cancer
saturn - Aquarius
Jupiter - libra

We always clash... she is very dramatic and always has to start some kind of fight. I will pass her a receipt when she asks "How much was (insert item)" and than she will instigate a fight, "Why are you throwing that to me? how dare you!" I will say "I didn't throw it.. I slid it over to you.."

I find that I constantly have to either tune her out and ignore her whenever she tries to instigate a fight for no apparent reason. She will take the smallest insignificant things and explode them into some dramatic soap opera... She is very loud, gossips way too much and she always like to spin her stories as if she is the victim and we are all trying to attack her.. she can do no wrong in her eyes. She also thinks she's right about everything and if you challenge her with cold hard facts she will get in your face and act like a big Bully.

I rarely speak to my mother I've had to form a massive detachment towards her growing up and it's still there. whenever she speaks I ignore her because it is always drama based on something trivial. I hate that she gossips about everyone and tries to start problems even with other people. She also talks to others about family problems . so yeah I do not get along with her I mostly ignore her and of course that sets her off too..

posted October 29, 2011 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
If I say that a lot of us aren't always that way, would I just be perpetuating the stereotype (by sounding defensive?).

Where is her Mars?

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she has mars in aries
yes I know a lot of you guys aren't like that

posted October 29, 2011 10:21 PM            

Its interesting your mom is sun Aries with Venus and mars in Aries and you have a bunch of Pisces planets that fall on your first house which rules Aries .

I am seeing that children pick up on the imbalances of the parents and then is like the children are here to learn from those imbalances and overcome them resulting in a trend of the children been more evolved than the parents. I am thinking this is so bc the children are seeing these imbalances since they are born resulting in them making sure not to be the same. This is a trend I am noticing lately as I study people and their relationship with parents including my own.

posted October 29, 2011 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Its interesting that your mom has Jupiter in Pisces and you have a lot of Pisces in you and that my mom has Jupiter in Pisces and I have moon in Pisces and a lot of Neptune influence.

Its interesting your mom is sun Aries with Venus and mars in Aries and you have a bunch of Pisces planets that fall on your first house which rules Aries .

I am seeing that children pick up on the imbalances of the parents and then is like the children are here to learn from those imbalances and overcome them resulting in a trend of the children been more evolved than the parents. I am thinking this is so bc the children are seeing these imbalances since they are born resulting in them making sure not to be the same. This is a trend I am noticing lately as I study people and their relationship with parents including my own.

I feel you about Aries...I am starting to understand this sign better and the good they have to offer but I feel were you are coming from. A good portion of them can be combative and have an inclination to turn everything into a competition, they can be impulsive, rash and reckless and full of self confidence which can lead them to trouble bc perhaps they overestimate their abilities. Your mom has a lot of Aries. I suspect that Aries sun people who have a more balanced chart don't have these problems and hence exhibit more the positive traits of Aries such as fast thinking and fast learning, assertiveness and balanced healthy self confidence. I am thinking your mother in addition to having three planets in Aries probably has stressful aspects involving these planets.

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Yes, I breathe and live to watch my mother and not be like her at all. Trust me on that. I've had to observe and take in her behavior, it goes against my core belief and principles. She is the definition of impulsive, egomaniacal and combative. Everything has to be a competition. She is even so into herself that she is not happy that her own daughter is happy with a man that is financially well off and happy with his life. She cannot stand that everyone is happy but her, so she will go out of her to passive aggressively stir up drama and trouble and cause unnecessary fighting. In her eyes it has to be about her and no one else. I know it sounds very negative, my mother is a strong woman, and sometimes she is tolerable to be around but that quickly disappears when her need to shine, be better than everyone and lie comes in.

posted October 30, 2011 12:06 AM            

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She cannot stand that everyone is happy but her, so she will go out of her to passive aggressively stir up drama and trouble and cause unnecessary fighting.

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This is interesting because if you happen to come across some of the older posts by Ami (one of the posters here) - she describes problems she has had with her mother in similar wording - and her mother is actually an Aquarius sun sign.
She seems pretty sure that she cannot get along with Aquarius people even though she is a Gemini --- due to past problems she has had with her mother.

I am only throwing this out there ^ because I really feel as though it is not so much about the sun sign - as it is about family problems and many people in western society not knowing how to be good parents.

posted October 30, 2011 01:16 AM            

Any idea what your mother's rising sign is? For the record, I'm Aires Sun, and Mars in Aries. I loathe competition, and get along better with Aquarius than just about any other Sun Sign. Yes, Aires are very brash and abrasive, but it sounds to me like your mother is the more un-evolved kind of Aries. Not that I'm perfect, but I do try to keep those negative traits you mentioned in check.

posted October 30, 2011 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmicKarma360:
lindisfarne,

Any idea what your mother's rising sign is? For the record, I'm Aires Sun, and Mars in Aries. I loathe competition, and get along better with Aquarius than just about any other Sun Sign. Yes, Aires are very brash and abrasive, but it sounds to me like your mother is the more un-evolved kind of Aries. Not that I'm perfect, but I do try to keep those negative traits you mentioned in check.

Would like to know her rising, if you have it. Good luck!

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No I do not know her Rising sign, I will try to ask.. although this will result in her yapping about irrelevant things and she most likely will try to instigate a fight lol oh brother.

posted October 30, 2011 01:28 AM              

I grew up with an absent Aquarian father who lived and worked far away. He was cold, socially awkward, emotionally immature and had a horrible temper and was not a good parent. But I don't throw that generalization on everyone Aquarius I meet. I think Aquarians are incredible people, I've date many, had good friends that were Aquarians and I respect them. My dad is one example of a person with Aquarius as their Sun and Mercury sign who is not so great. Yet I accept him for who he is and thankfully haven't allowed my issues with him to influence the way I see other people.

posted October 30, 2011 01:53 AM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
No I do not know her Rising sign, I will try to ask.. although this will result in her yapping about irrelevant things and she most likely will try to instigate a fight lol oh brother.

What do you think her rising sign could be?

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Hate to say it, but she sounds to me a bit like a Capricorn. My mother is Cap sun, Aries moon, and your mother sounds somewhat like mine. Don't know though, I'm still a a newbie, so don't take my word for it. Maybe she's Scorpio. I've met a few Scorpios that act like that, too.

Sorry that she's put you off Aries so much. I know that I can have a real problem with Capricorns. Probably in part to my own mother as well. When I see someone acting too much like my mother, I just want to get away from them as fast as possible.

posted October 31, 2011 10:50 AM            

And actually, in my opinion, sextile sun-sun connections are by far some of the best you can have.

Your Mars in Cancer is sensitive and doesn't like drama. Add her sun in Aries squaring your Mars(by sign) and I can already see why there is tension.

Also, her Mercury and Venus in Aries squares your Mars(by sign) and this doesn't bode well for bonding(venus/Mars tension) or just hearing what the other has to say(mercury/mars tension).

Moon opposition sun doesn't help issues. One of you(likely the Aquarian sun) thinks that they are way more "mature" and "reasonable" than the other(moon in Leo-her).

Overall, she has a lot of cardinal, assertive placements in her personal planets whilst yours are more passive.

Though you have Mars in Cancer and a lot of other Pisces placements, the conjuction of Sun(major),Mercury and Saturn in Aquarius means that all this sensitivity is kept well away from the surface.

So you end up projecting a lot more "aloof" and "unconcerned" exterior than how you actually feel.

She probably thinks that you are indiffrent to her, ignore her or just don't take her seriously enough-due to your more passive personality style.

Interestingly, I have a friend with very similar placements and we've been friends for years.

He has his moon in Pisces, Mercury and Mars there. He also has a lot of air; namely Sun, Venus, saturn, Jupiter and Pluto.

Add his Capricorn Ascendant to the mix and you have someone finely disguised to give off the impression that they just don't give a s***.

Now if it wasn't for our Sun-Sun sextile connection and my Scorpio placements(venus,Saturn and pluto) to look past the exterior, we would have never gotten past knowing each other as acquientances.

Unfortunately not all of us have a diverse chart and can possess large doses of one energy type that doesn't complement another well.

So, it may be that you a are meeting many Aries women that seem to trigger that same reaction that you have with your mother(probably there is a spritual gain to be had here)because you respond to them in much the same way that you repsond to your mother; with intense irritation/annoyance.

Have you tried being open with your mother about how you feel? Some Aries people appreciate face-face transperancy.

But also, Aquarius has a way of being patronizing or even belittling someone they are communicating with(especially if they are convinced that the person that they are talking to is intellectually "inferior" to them).

So, it may be that she is also sensitive to the tone of voice / the way you relate to her that makes her react so "childishly"?

posted October 31, 2011 03:22 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Shame...

And actually, in my opinion, sextile sun-sun connections are by far some of the best you can have.

Your Mars in Cancer is sensitive and doesn't like drama. Add her sun in Aries squaring your Mars(by sign) and I can already see why there is tension.

Also, her Mercury and Venus in Aries squares your Mars(by sign) and this doesn't bode well for bonding(venus/Mars tension) or just hearing what the other has to say(mercury/mars tension).

Moon opposition sun doesn't help issues. One of you(likely the Aquarian sun) thinks that they are way more "mature" and "reasonable" than the other(moon in Leo-her).

Overall, she has a lot of cardinal, assertive placements in her personal planets whilst yours are more passive.

Though you have Mars in Cancer and a lot of other Pisces placements, the conjuction of Sun(major),Mercury and Saturn in Aquarius means that all this sensitivity is kept well away from the surface.

So you end up projecting a lot more "aloof" and "unconcerned" exterior than how you actually feel.

She probably thinks that you are indiffrent to her, ignore her or just don't take her seriously enough-due to your more passive personality style.

Interestingly, I have a friend with very similar placements and we've been friends for years.

He has his moon in Pisces, Mercury and Mars there. He also has a lot of air; namely Sun, Venus, saturn, Jupiter and Pluto.

Add his Capricorn Ascendant to the mix and you have someone finely disguised to give off the impression that they just don't give a s***.

Now if it wasn't for our Sun-Sun sextile connection and my Scorpio placements(venus,Saturn and pluto) to look past the exterior, we would have never gotten past knowing each other as acquientances.

Unfortunately not all of us have a diverse chart and can possess large doses of one energy type that doesn't complement another well.

So, it may be that you a are meeting many Aries women that seem to trigger that same reaction that you have with your mother(probably there is a spritual gain to be had here)because you respond to them in much the same way that you repsond to your mother; with intense irritation/annoyance.

Have you tried being open with your mother about how you feel? Some Aries people appreciate face-face transperancy.

But also, Aquarius has a way of being patronizing or even belittling someone they are communicating with(especially if they are convinced that the person that they are talking to is intellectually "inferior" to them).

So, it may be that she is also sensitive to the tone of voice / the way you relate to her that makes her react so "childishly"?

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That describes me perfectly. I hate that word thoug.. passive... but 80% of the time I am. You know what it is though? I wouldn't say I'm passive.. because I am assertive just when I want to be. I become "aggressive" when I feel it is right to be, aka when it's not a lost cause like this relationship with my mother.

She is the biggest narcissist I've ever met in my entire life. She also is patrionizing and domineering. In child hood she never boosted my confidence not one bit instead all she did was judge and place her negative self image onto me. 1. Good reason why I stay far away from her after personally going out of my way to seek therapy due to the massive mess she made me.

2. I don't tell her or involve her with anything in my life! Nothing! Why? Again the narcissism comes into play. She thinks she is much better and how dare you focus your attention onto other things? It's her way or the highway she even tried to slowly manipulate me into going into nursing just because our entire family was. I hate nursing it depresses me, and ever since I dropped it she has been giving off this vibe as if I am inferior. She says "Oh it's okay! Do whatever makes you happy dear....." followed by "But nursing is a great choice I will support anyone that does it." And if I somehow face difficulties with what career ive chosen to go by, she will say "Oh hunny. This is why you listen to me!! If you listen to your mother, you won't experience any hardships in life" First of all I don't even need to write a novel of al baseless pathetic and inaccurate that statement is. Her life is full of drama and mess and guess who cleans it up? We do! she still hasn't learned.see? Narcissist! Please tell me how she calls the house phone to ask for something. I went to her room because ;
a. it was closer to the bathroom as I was washing my face
she asked "where are you?" I said "your room." than she makes it aaaalllll about her with "Why?" I said "it as closer. so what did you want mother?" she goes "You never treat me right! You always disrespect me and ignore me!!! You put a lock on your bedroom door and that hurt my feelings!" see!?!? she went on and on snot her, that wasnt even freaking relevant to what she called for! my reasoning for putting a lock had absolutely nothing to do with her, but of course everything revolves around mother.. I basically rolled my eyes and politely hung up on her until she was ready to stop talking about herself.

And yes 80% of the time I do believe I am intellectually superior to her as well as mature. It's not even an idea it's quite factual. I have lived to observe my mother and on my own come to the conclusion on how not to be if I want to be a successful happy accomplished person. She is very childish, demanding, annoying, dramatic, self absorbed. Always has to one up me and others can't accept peace and quiet, always has to be trouble stirring. Even with dinner she makes drama over.

But I wouldn't say I am passive, I truly gave up on my
mother she will not change hrr ways. I attempted to talk to her about how I felt and wanted to hear her input, she basically talked over me, refused to accept any responsibility, acted like a dictator that she could do no wrong, denied everything, lied made up stories, played the victim, did I mention she talked over me and wouldn't let me get a word in? I tried to have a mature, concise discussion and it turned upside down. You tell her "Hello" she will turn it into "Hello?!? what do you mean hello?!? That's it! why not hello how are you etc etc?" She will tell you "Why are you angry?" I will say "I am not angry" she will say "Why are you angry with me! what did I do? I'm talking to you so answer me." I will say "I'm not angry. I'm trying to eat my meal in peace." "Well how dare you! so rude! so you are angry at me then!" I will say "No. I said this three times" than she will go on about randomness "blah blah you don't treat your mother kindly always ignoring me etc you don't like me do you! you're angry with me!" And THAT is when I get angry. When someone tells me how I feel when I told them the facts, and someone that doesn't understand boundaries know when to go away, which she doesn't know how to.

posted October 31, 2011 03:23 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Shame...

And actually, in my opinion, sextile sun-sun connections are by far some of the best you can have.

Your Mars in Cancer is sensitive and doesn't like drama. Add her sun in Aries squaring your Mars(by sign) and I can already see why there is tension.

Also, her Mercury and Venus in Aries squares your Mars(by sign) and this doesn't bode well for bonding(venus/Mars tension) or just hearing what the other has to say(mercury/mars tension).

Moon opposition sun doesn't help issues. One of you(likely the Aquarian sun) thinks that they are way more "mature" and "reasonable" than the other(moon in Leo-her).

Overall, she has a lot of cardinal, assertive placements in her personal planets whilst yours are more passive.

Though you have Mars in Cancer and a lot of other Pisces placements, the conjuction of Sun(major),Mercury and Saturn in Aquarius means that all this sensitivity is kept well away from the surface.

So you end up projecting a lot more "aloof" and "unconcerned" exterior than how you actually feel.

She probably thinks that you are indiffrent to her, ignore her or just don't take her seriously enough-due to your more passive personality style.

Interestingly, I have a friend with very similar placements and we've been friends for years.

He has his moon in Pisces, Mercury and Mars there. He also has a lot of air; namely Sun, Venus, saturn, Jupiter and Pluto.

Add his Capricorn Ascendant to the mix and you have someone finely disguised to give off the impression that they just don't give a s***.

Now if it wasn't for our Sun-Sun sextile connection and my Scorpio placements(venus,Saturn and pluto) to look past the exterior, we would have never gotten past knowing each other as acquientances.

Unfortunately not all of us have a diverse chart and can possess large doses of one energy type that doesn't complement another well.

So, it may be that you a are meeting many Aries women that seem to trigger that same reaction that you have with your mother(probably there is a spritual gain to be had here)because you respond to them in much the same way that you repsond to your mother; with intense irritation/annoyance.

Have you tried being open with your mother about how you feel? Some Aries people appreciate face-face transperancy.

But also, Aquarius has a way of being patronizing or even belittling someone they are communicating with(especially if they are convinced that the person that they are talking to is intellectually "inferior" to them).

So, it may be that she is also sensitive to the tone of voice / the way you relate to her that makes her react so "childishly"?

---

That describes me perfectly. I hate that word thoug.. passive... but 80% of the time I am. You know what it is though? I wouldn't say I'm passive.. because I am assertive just when I want to be. I become "aggressive" when I feel it is right to be, aka when it's not a lost cause like this relationship with my mother.

She is the biggest narcissist I've ever met in my entire life. She also is patrionizing and domineering. In child hood she never boosted my confidence not one bit instead all she did was judge and place her negative self image onto me. 1. Good reason why I stay far away from her after personally going out of my way to seek therapy due to the massive mess she made me.

2. I don't tell her or involve her with anything in my life! Nothing! Why? Again the narcissism comes into play. She thinks she is much better and how dare you focus your attention onto other things? It's her way or the highway she even tried to slowly manipulate me into going into nursing just because our entire family was. I hate nursing it depresses me, and ever since I dropped it she has been giving off this vibe as if I am inferior. She says "Oh it's okay! Do whatever makes you happy dear....." followed by "But nursing is a great choice I will support anyone that does it." And if I somehow face difficulties with what career ive chosen to go by, she will say "Oh hunny. This is why you listen to me!! If you listen to your mother, you won't experience any hardships in life" First of all I don't even need to write a novel of al baseless pathetic and inaccurate that statement is. Her life is full of drama and mess and guess who cleans it up? We do! she still hasn't learned.see? Narcissist! Please tell me how she calls the house phone to ask for something. I went to her room because ;
a. it was closer to the bathroom as I was washing my face
she asked "where are you?" I said "your room." than she makes it aaaalllll about her with "Why?" I said "it as closer. so what did you want mother?" she goes "You never treat me right! You always disrespect me and ignore me!!! You put a lock on your bedroom door and that hurt my feelings!" see!?!? she went on and on snot her, that wasnt even freaking relevant to what she called for! my reasoning for putting a lock had absolutely nothing to do with her, but of course everything revolves around mother.. I basically rolled my eyes and politely hung up on her until she was ready to stop talking about herself.

And yes 80% of the time I do believe I am intellectually superior to her as well as mature. It's not even an idea it's quite factual. I have lived to observe my mother and on my own come to the conclusion on how not to be if I want to be a successful happy accomplished person. She is very childish, demanding, annoying, dramatic, self absorbed. Always has to one up me and others can't accept peace and quiet, always has to be trouble stirring. Even with dinner she makes drama over.

But I wouldn't say I am passive, I truly gave up on my
mother she will not change hrr ways. I attempted to talk to her about how I felt and wanted to hear her input, she basically talked over me, refused to accept any responsibility, acted like a dictator that she could do no wrong, denied everything, lied made up stories, played the victim, did I mention she talked over me and wouldn't let me get a word in? I tried to have a mature, concise discussion and it turned upside down. You tell her "Hello" she will turn it into "Hello?!? what do you mean hello?!? That's it! why not hello how are you etc etc?" She will tell you "Why are you angry?" I will say "I am not angry" she will say "Why are you angry with me! what did I do? I'm talking to you so answer me." I will say "I'm not angry. I'm trying to eat my meal in peace." "Well how dare you! so rude! so you are angry at me then!" I will say "No. I said this three times" than she will go on about randomness "blah blah you don't treat your mother kindly always ignoring me etc you don't like me do you! you're angry with me!" And THAT is when I get angry. When someone tells me how I feel when I told them the facts, and someone that doesn't understand boundaries know when to go away, which she doesn't know how to.

posted October 31, 2011 03:24 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Shame...

And actually, in my opinion, sextile sun-sun connections are by far some of the best you can have.

Your Mars in Cancer is sensitive and doesn't like drama. Add her sun in Aries squaring your Mars(by sign) and I can already see why there is tension.

Also, her Mercury and Venus in Aries squares your Mars(by sign) and this doesn't bode well for bonding(venus/Mars tension) or just hearing what the other has to say(mercury/mars tension).

Moon opposition sun doesn't help issues. One of you(likely the Aquarian sun) thinks that they are way more "mature" and "reasonable" than the other(moon in Leo-her).

Overall, she has a lot of cardinal, assertive placements in her personal planets whilst yours are more passive.

Though you have Mars in Cancer and a lot of other Pisces placements, the conjuction of Sun(major),Mercury and Saturn in Aquarius means that all this sensitivity is kept well away from the surface.

So you end up projecting a lot more "aloof" and "unconcerned" exterior than how you actually feel.

She probably thinks that you are indiffrent to her, ignore her or just don't take her seriously enough-due to your more passive personality style.

Interestingly, I have a friend with very similar placements and we've been friends for years.

He has his moon in Pisces, Mercury and Mars there. He also has a lot of air; namely Sun, Venus, saturn, Jupiter and Pluto.

Add his Capricorn Ascendant to the mix and you have someone finely disguised to give off the impression that they just don't give a s***.

Now if it wasn't for our Sun-Sun sextile connection and my Scorpio placements(venus,Saturn and pluto) to look past the exterior, we would have never gotten past knowing each other as acquientances.

Unfortunately not all of us have a diverse chart and can possess large doses of one energy type that doesn't complement another well.

So, it may be that you a are meeting many Aries women that seem to trigger that same reaction that you have with your mother(probably there is a spritual gain to be had here)because you respond to them in much the same way that you repsond to your mother; with intense irritation/annoyance.

Have you tried being open with your mother about how you feel? Some Aries people appreciate face-face transperancy.

But also, Aquarius has a way of being patronizing or even belittling someone they are communicating with(especially if they are convinced that the person that they are talking to is intellectually "inferior" to them).

So, it may be that she is also sensitive to the tone of voice / the way you relate to her that makes her react so "childishly"?

---

That describes me perfectly. I hate that word thoug.. passive... but 80% of the time I am. You know what it is though? I wouldn't say I'm passive.. because I am assertive just when I want to be. I become "aggressive" when I feel it is right to be, aka when it's not a lost cause like this relationship with my mother.

She is the biggest narcissist I've ever met in my entire life. She also is patrionizing and domineering. In child hood she never boosted my confidence not one bit instead all she did was judge and place her negative self image onto me. 1. Good reason why I stay far away from her after personally going out of my way to seek therapy due to the massive mess she made me.

2. I don't tell her or involve her with anything in my life! Nothing! Why? Again the narcissism comes into play. She thinks she is much better and how dare you focus your attention onto other things? It's her way or the highway she even tried to slowly manipulate me into going into nursing just because our entire family was. I hate nursing it depresses me, and ever since I dropped it she has been giving off this vibe as if I am inferior. She says "Oh it's okay! Do whatever makes you happy dear....." followed by "But nursing is a great choice I will support anyone that does it." And if I somehow face difficulties with what career ive chosen to go by, she will say "Oh hunny. This is why you listen to me!! If you listen to your mother, you won't experience any hardships in life" First of all I don't even need to write a novel of al baseless pathetic and inaccurate that statement is. Her life is full of drama and mess and guess who cleans it up? We do! she still hasn't learned.see? Narcissist! Please tell me how she calls the house phone to ask for something. I went to her room because ;
a. it was closer to the bathroom as I was washing my face
she asked "where are you?" I said "your room." than she makes it aaaalllll about her with "Why?" I said "it as closer. so what did you want mother?" she goes "You never treat me right! You always disrespect me and ignore me!!! You put a lock on your bedroom door and that hurt my feelings!" see!?!? she went on and on snot her, that wasnt even freaking relevant to what she called for! my reasoning for putting a lock had absolutely nothing to do with her, but of course everything revolves around mother.. I basically rolled my eyes and politely hung up on her until she was ready to stop talking about herself.

And yes 80% of the time I do believe I am intellectually superior to her as well as mature. It's not even an idea it's quite factual. I have lived to observe my mother and on my own come to the conclusion on how not to be if I want to be a successful happy accomplished person. She is very childish, demanding, annoying, dramatic, self absorbed. Always has to one up me and others can't accept peace and quiet, always has to be trouble stirring. Even with dinner she makes drama over.

But I wouldn't say I am passive, I truly gave up on my
mother she will not change hrr ways. I attempted to talk to her about how I felt and wanted to hear her input, she basically talked over me, refused to accept any responsibility, acted like a dictator that she could do no wrong, denied everything, lied made up stories, played the victim, did I mention she talked over me and wouldn't let me get a word in? I tried to have a mature, concise discussion and it turned upside down. You tell her "Hello" she will turn it into "Hello?!? what do you mean hello?!? That's it! why not hello how are you etc etc?" She will tell you "Why are you angry?" I will say "I am not angry" she will say "Why are you angry with me! what did I do? I'm talking to you so answer me." I will say "I'm not angry. I'm trying to eat my meal in peace." "Well how dare you! so rude! so you are angry at me then!" I will say "No. I said this three times" than she will go on about randomness "blah blah you don't treat your mother kindly always ignoring me etc you don't like me do you! you're angry with me!" And THAT is when I get angry. When someone tells me how I feel when I told them the facts, and someone that doesn't understand boundaries know when to go away, which she doesn't know how to.