posted November 05, 2011 05:41 PM            

I did have growing up poor boundaries with my mom. My mom overprotected me and wanted me to think and be like her is how I Perceived it and so I had lots of fights with mom growing up to defend my freedom and individuality..Now we are super cool.

Also I do idolize my parents even though my virgo sun sees their defects clearly I still idolize them (sun square neptune idolize dad and moon square neptune idolize my mom).

posted November 05, 2011 05:58 PM            

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posted November 05, 2011 09:52 PM            

I had a client in my last job that had borderline personality disorder and was compulsively liar. She lied to get out of trouble, she lied to impress others and half of the time I suspect that she believed her own lies.

I have sun in virgo and mercury in the 10th, my mercury conjuncts MC. My sun, moon and mercury square my Neptune in sag. I have moon in 4th in pisces and sag rising. If anything I am compulsively honest. I have good memory and am analytical and usually pretty objective. I value honesty and so I am honest even if I know someone will not like me as much for been honest about how I feel. My best friend from HS that I knew for ten years if you ask her to describe me she will tell you amelia is very honest, direct and blunt. My husband will tell you that I am very blunt and do not have any problems at all making myself clear.
Hence, Moon square Neptune does not mean that someone likes to lie and even less that someone lies compulsively. I think you have to look at the whole chart.

posted November 05, 2011 10:19 PM            

As for a compulsive liar, someone who lies lots mostly to get out of trouble, I will give my Sag friend as an example because he once told me that he lies to his (Cancer) girlfriend all of the time, so often that he can’t even remember how often.

He has: Scorpio rising, Moon in Capricorn, Mercury square Uranus and Pluto and, as for Neptune aspects, Venus conjunct Neptune and Mars square Neptune, Neptune is conjunct his AC (widely, orb 5)…

posted November 05, 2011 10:42 PM            

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Originally posted by downtomars:
I agree Amelia, this is why I pointed out that the people I knew were pathological liars - the lies they tell are pointless – they don’t help them get out of trouble and they seem to believe it themselves, it has become the truth for them. It is a mental illness yet they are functioning members of society. Their relationships are severely lacking though.

As for a compulsive liar, someone who lies lots mostly to get out of trouble, I will give my Sag friend as an example because he once told me that he lies to his (Cancer) girlfriend all of the time, so often that he can’t even remember how often.

He has: Scorpio rising, Moon in Capricorn, Mercury square Uranus and Pluto and, as for Neptune aspects, Venus conjunct Neptune and Mars square Neptune, Neptune is conjunct his AC (widely, orb 5)…

ETA: I also heard that Jupiter hard aspects to Mercury will add exaggeration to speech, or stories, what is said basically.

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Thanks for the jupiter pointer......that actually makes sense to me. Since jupiter touches what it expands perhaps a hard aspect from jupiter to mercury will create people who embellish stories and leave you wondering how much of what they are saying is actually true LOL.

I am just not sure about the Neptune aspects been something that gives a propensity to lying...wouldn't mercury conjunct neptune make you very intuitive and psychic instead of a liar?

I am skeptical about the cause having something to do with neptune aspects to sun, moon and mercury bc of my own aspects. Neptune makes you put people in pedestal and makes you like to fantasize but it doesnt mean you can't distinguish fantasy from reality. I know when I am fantasizing. I even know when I putting someone up in pedestal bc I see people clearly but choose to admire them for their virtues and help them work on their deficits.

posted November 05, 2011 11:03 PM            

anyone feel free to bring some clarity into the following:

posted November 05, 2011 11:20 PM            

What do you guys think about this chart?

posted February 22, 2012 04:03 PM            

I had a severe compulsive lying problem in my late childhood/early teen years (one glance at my chart and you could quickly see why). And yes, it truly was compulsive. I'd make a lie several times an hour. It was largely because for a part of my childhood, lying and manipulating was nescessary for my survival. I was naturally good at it, and became so good that it became a habit. The web I weaved was supremely tangled, but I knew it well and seldom did things break through it.

As an example of what happened. When I was 11 I lied (for no particular reason) and told a psychologist I was seeing that I tried to kill myself in the past. Result: I was placed in outpatient hospital care for a month and a half. No one, not a soul, knew that it wasn't true. I painted the perfect picture, and kept the whole charade going. I didn't tell my mother the truth until I was 20. When I did tell her though, she said she always sensed it was a lie, but I needed the help in the hospital so she didn't probe it (my mother is quite psychic).

I fixed this a long time ago but once and a while, I'll catch myself slip and make a lie for no reason, and I won't be aware of it until afterwards.

So no, neptune does not always indicate a compulsive lying problem. Largely because, in my case, neptune is not a major player in my chart.

posted February 22, 2012 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
Anything in a chart that would indicate extreme secretiveness? I read upon moon opp Neptune is this something to pay attention to? My guy has this placement but I've been observing him very closely...

I'm just curious if anything you guys know in a chart would link to compulsive and unnecessary lying in someone? I'm curious also, if it falls on a debilitated Neptune influence??

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I have moon opp neptune and like as has been mentioned eariler it suggests confusions around mother, either smother loved or emotionally neglected. Sometimes these hard aspects can be linked to eating disorders..
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42260&highlight=moon+square+nep tune
moon square Neptune

for liars, I would look to neptune and mercury as they have very vivid imaginations, but really you would *have to* look at the whole chart, and not just bits of it...

As for extreme secretiveness, look at scorpio rising, sun,moon and aspects..

posted February 22, 2012 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by mintgirl123:
lol amelia what's your moon? I have merc square neptune too! And uranus and saturn =/

I have an ex with merc conjunct neptune, and one that had sun opp neptune, both were liars -_-

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Now without looking at the whole chart, signs and houses we are all p***ing in the wind. I have sun opp neptune and I've rather vomit than tell a white lie. Both sun and moon opp neptune can be very sensitive and psychic, plus my neptune is a singleton to...

posted February 22, 2012 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
This person has a cognitive disability (mental retardation), borderline personality disorder and a history of lying. She does have some stressful mercury/moon aspects to Neptune and you combine that with her cognitive disability and perhaps she doesn't differentiate well reality from fantasy. There is a bunch of things going on in her chart however in addition to those Neptune aspects.

What do you guys think about this chart?

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finally, a chart well done. My first instinct mars conj neptune..

mars conj Neptune
“This conjunction can pose several difficulties: in choice of actions, where you may struggle to establish what your real aims are; in making that final decision to attempt to achieve them, and in ensuring that sufficient and persistent effort is then made to guarantee success. An unintegrated Neptune can dissolve that focused will, making decisive clarity difficult to maintain. Additionally, you tend to avoid accepting the consequences of your choices, and there can be a refusal to acknowledge responsibility when such actions lead to failure or negative results.” http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL% 2C_CONJUNCTION%2C_SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521

this mars is also a singleton ie: only planet in fire element..

Fire Absence
The limited presence of the Fire element in your horoscope may suggest the need to experience life more actively. It may benefit you to become more vital, for you may lack the passion and spark that the fire signs afford. This doesn't mean that you don't enjoy life, but merely that you don't seem to know how to insert yourself into the action; pleasure, thrills and glory will be slow coming your way. Your pleasures are apt to be more subtle and sensitive, without the dramatics and flash. Although this void does not guarantee an introvert, you are not likely to be the extrovert. You lack the dare-devil courage of the fire signs, and this includes the utter self-confidence these signs bestow http://www.astrology-numerology.com/elements.html#Fire%20Absence

posted February 22, 2012 05:37 PM            

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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
Doesn't have to be Neptune.

I had a severe compulsive lying problem in my late childhood/early teen years (one glance at my chart and you could quickly see why). And yes, it truly was compulsive. I'd make a lie several times an hour. It was largely because for a part of my childhood, lying and manipulating was nescessary for my survival. I was naturally good at it, and became so good that it became a habit. The web I weaved was supremely tangled, but I knew it well and seldom did things break through it.

As an example of what happened. When I was 11 I lied (for no particular reason) and told a psychologist I was seeing that I tried to kill myself in the past. Result: I was placed in outpatient hospital care for a month and a half. No one, not a soul, knew that it wasn't true. I painted the perfect picture, and kept the whole charade going. I didn't tell my mother the truth until I was 20. When I did tell her though, she said she always sensed it was a lie, but I needed the help in the hospital so she didn't probe it (my mother is quite psychic).

I fixed this a long time ago but once and a while, I'll catch myself slip and make a lie for no reason, and I won't be aware of it until afterwards.

So no, neptune does not always indicate a compulsive lying problem. Largely because, in my case, neptune is not a major player in my chart.

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with that stellium in gemini in 8th house apex for yod with outers, does show problems. Saturn retro conj IC and MC ruler moon conj pluto. All links back to 8th and secretiveness.

I think the lying with you was due to all this scorpio 8th house stuff as a protection mechanism. Do you know what age mercury retro went direct? is that when you started lying per chance?

posted February 22, 2012 08:17 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
with that stellium in gemini in 8th house apex for yod with outers, does show problems. Saturn retro conj IC and MC ruler moon conj pluto. All links back to 8th and secretiveness.

I think the lying with you was due to all this scorpio 8th house stuff as a protection mechanism. Do you know what age mercury retro went direct? is that when you started lying per chance?

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It was partly protection, and because I knew I could do it and get away with it. I was too young to realize it within myself at the time, but I got a thrill out of knowing I duped someone and painted a totally false and fabricated image for them. It made me feel powerful. Which, was rooted from having very little self esteem. Stemmed from being a "odd" child (I was socially cast aside as weird all to often in elementry and middle school).

I do not know when my mercury went direct, but I would not be surprised if it was around the time I cut the lying. It was more, I became self-aware of how pervasive it had become within my life. I toned it back, thinking I fixed it completely in high school. In college I realized that I had actually just extended and exaderated things more often then not to "boost" different parts of my personality and supress others. Thus giving off the exact image I felt was the "coolest" for whoever I was around. All in all though it was still tied with being powerful. The last biggest slip was when I was 18, and basically faked a seizure and fooled the hospital staff, and I did it for no reason at all (it was as if I was watching myself do it).

I now know what I am capable of and have strict control over my ways. I only "slip" when I am very stressed. The way I keep a lid on it is I am now extremely honest and up front with nearly everything. Having mars in cancer is useful in this case because that prevents me from overcompensating in that sense.

And yup, nearly everything in my chart will ultimately point back to my 8th house, haha.