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Topic: Worst Saturn placement in the natal chart?
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lindisfarne Knowflake Posts: 1108 From: she doesn't know that i left my urge in the icebox Registered: Oct 2011
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posted November 07, 2011 05:15 PM
Im curious to you guys opinions. I know Saturn places difficulty in any house but is there such a thing for Saturn to be placed in a house making it a lot more difficult for the person?Some Astrologers I've talked to say Saturn in house 7, 5, 1 are very difficult than any other house placement. Do you guys think there is such a thing, of Saturn being positioned in a house making it the worst house placement for saturn? Here's a quote, an astrologer I speak to said to me as I asked her a question about Saturn in my natal house 1 conjunction ASC: "Yes, more than anything else Saturn in the first, conjunct the 1st house and Capricorn or Aquarius rising all can display this characteristic. Saturn in the 1st house tends to indicate a native that erodes their own self esteem with pessimistic attitudes and a detrimentally self-critical attitude. These natives tend to focus to heavily on the negative aspects of their personality and rarely acknowledge their good characteristics. In some cases I have seen the native claim that they have none. The key with this placement is to quiet the constant self-critic and learn to acknowledge their good qualities; praise themselves for doing a good job and ignore impertinent mistakes. This placement has the potential for superior discipline and can achieve much if they can put behind them their self-doubt and criticism." This seems fairly spot on for me. Anyway my best friend... has Saturn in house 7. I read that this delays partnership and the native may possibly not marry and if they do it won't be for love more like settlement but not a good one. I also read that Saturn in house 5 makes it hard to birth children?
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mintgirl123 Knowflake Posts: 2397 From: Registered: Nov 2009
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posted November 07, 2011 05:19 PM
saturn in 7th also means they take relationships and marriage really seriously, that they can't do flings.saturn in first might feel slightly restricted in their self expression, and might be alittle more serious. In the 5th probably means they find it harder to let loose and have fun. IP: Logged |
RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 3931 From: GMT-5 Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 07, 2011 05:23 PM
I have a fifth house Saturn in Pisces. D:I dunno, I haven't had any kids yet, lol. I'm not sure how I could determine if it's any better or any worse than other placements soo...I guess I'll just watch what becomes of this thread. >w> IP: Logged |
RedScorp Knowflake Posts: 3931 From: GMT-5 Registered: Jul 2011
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posted November 07, 2011 05:33 PM
quote: Originally posted by mintgirl123:
In the 5th probably means they find it harder to let loose and have fun.
I don't think so with meeee...I actually have fun all da time, wherever I go. C: Well, until me and whoever I'm with decides to go home and relax. Then I'll let down my Libra Asc. and be the mellow Scorpio that I am. IP: Logged |
lechien Knowflake Posts: 1980 From: in a giant room with 2 little furry friends Registered: May 2009
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posted November 07, 2011 05:39 PM
this reminds me of a friend of mine with her Saturn in the 7th house. she was with her ex-husband since university, and they eventually married after a long time together. but while she was an office worker, he was kind of an art/activist community guru (which i was hanging in back then), and it was sadly to everyone's knowledge he had other girlfriends... it went on for years and years, and finally everything came out and they got a divorce. she must have felt like a doormat. was horrible.after 1-2 years of difficulty, she found her a great man, who also has his Saturn in his 7th house, and in synastry his Saturn and DC falls in her 7th house. naturally their composite Saturn is in their composite 7th house too. she married him and within a year they had her first baby (she was 40!), and again in less than a year they just had another baby. i know they are going to stick with each other. i know a few people with Saturn in the 1st. one of them is my current partner and one is my first bf. "discounting self" very much applies my partner, but not really my ex... he seems to be light and have a healthy self-perception. IP: Logged |
downtomars Knowflake Posts: 1082 From: NY Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 07, 2011 05:39 PM
quote: Originally posted by mintgirl123: saturn in 7th also means they take relationships and marriage really seriously, that they can't do flings.
I feel the need to defend it too because I have this placement. I am one of those rare people who loves Saturn - there is nothing wrong with seriousness and responsibility, I yearn for seriousness and responsibility! Saturn is also exalted in the 7th, the house of Libra... Here is a thread about it: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/203724.html IP: Logged |
amowls** Knowflake Posts: 1921 From: Registered: Dec 2010
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posted November 07, 2011 05:41 PM
I have Saturn in the 7th, opposite my ASC. My only complaint about it is that it makes me somewhat unapproachable. People don't like to come up to talk to me, it seems like.I don't have much trouble in finding relationships, so I can't say it has really hindered me in that department. I think Saturn in the 12th might be a doozy. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 37767 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 07, 2011 06:54 PM
I think Saturn conjunct the Sun is the worst, but that is not house, but aspect. As far as house, that is a hard one. I am not sure lol------------------ Want a peek in to my journal? http://www.mychristianpsychic.com/
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malicefey Knowflake Posts: 258 From: NY Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 07, 2011 08:16 PM
My bf has Saturn conjunct his sun in Scorpio. How bad is it? ------------------ Sun Libra Moon Libra Mars Libra Mercury Scorpio Venus Scorpio Asc Scorpio IP: Logged |
Betty Boop Knowflake Posts: 3377 From: Betty Boop Land Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 07, 2011 09:46 PM
Actually the 5th and 7th both sound pretty bad for Saturn! As for natal aspects... Saturn square Mars could be difficult.. like a confidence quencher. IP: Logged |
Cynnared Knowflake Posts: 949 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted November 07, 2011 11:58 PM
My oldest girl has Sun conj Saturn and Node - opposite pluto in the 4th/5th.My youngest girl has Saturn square Mars. Saturn is in the 7th and Mars in the 4th. They are both still young kiddos so time will tell in their future adult lives. So, Houses 1,5 or 7 is considered a bad placement? I would think Saturn in the 7th is a strong Saturn position by house . Saturn in Libra's house. After checking out Astrology message boards, the one Saturn position that I have heard complained about the most is Saturn in the 12th. I have never read so much fear and dread with this position - natally and by transit. I am the owner of a 12th house Saturn and I am just fine with it. I listen to my intuition and give myself alone time and I'm good. My own guess with what a bad Saturn placement would be in the 2nd house. Difficulty getting jobs and not a secure sense of values etc...... Cyn IP: Logged |
aquavenus Knowflake Posts: 33 From: UK Registered: Mar 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 01:43 AM
I have a 5th house Saturn in Scorpio squaring Venus and opposing Moon. I was the party pooper throughout my school years, pretty much the same until about 2 years back. I am 26 now and I think I appreciate this placement. I'm slowly turning into the child I never was-playing pranks and all. But I'm still awkward with children though I seem to be a kid magnet LOL I'd like kids someday but then I think about things like losing my freedom; that the current world we live in can be such a horrible place, I don't want to put another life through all the mess around us; want to be old enough emotionally to be able to protect my kids and financially have the salary of a CEO to provide for them LMFAO ...it makes me think critically about 5th house matters and always have a stupid serious guilt inducing outlook. But overall, I don't blame saturn, don't think its the worst placement really...younger/teen years/even now in my 20s sometimes I feel miserable, I dont drink so co-workers find me weird & stiff (I'm so not!) my idea of fun is different. I rather eat out at fancy places than get wasted at clubs :PIP: Logged |
BelligerentPygmy Knowflake Posts: 1145 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 01:47 AM
I think it's more about how you cope with it than where it's placed. I really don't believe in 'doomed' house placements for any planets or luminaries.IP: Logged |
RegardesPlatero Moderator Posts: 4367 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 06:19 AM
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 06:32 AM
I have Saturn in my 3rd (Moon is there too). Anyone else here has this placement? I'd like to exchange notes. I used to think my tob was 2hrs earlier and that put Saturn in my 4th where it could explain some things in my family of origin but it's not that easy to tell because my Moon is there too and it could be the better explanation of these things (esp. since it's at the end of the 3rd, and on the cusp of the 4th house). Again, I think natal placements are familiar energies. By the time you mature, you get to know how to handle them. I'm more worried about Saturn's harsh transits.IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4395 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 08, 2011 06:51 AM
I do,askIP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 06:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: I do,ask
Hi Venus, is this an answer to my q about people with Saturn in the 3rd? If so, thanks for chiming in! My question is how you experience its influence in the house of Mercury. Also what sign is in the cusp for you? (Taurus for me) Anything you can share would be fantastic. I need to balance my Saturnian powers in my chart and most of the time I have no clue how!
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4395 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 08, 2011 07:05 AM
I have H3 stellium,with Sag on the cusp. I am Gemini and Mercury dominant. Mercury and Neptune (part of H3) r accidentally in reception. Saturn is the closest to the cusp,conj Uranus. I am very old shcool in intelectual interests,philosophy,literature,religion. I can go very exactingly and profoudly into subject. I speak well. I have authority to my way of verbal expression. My Cappy Moon is in there also. I do.n't have problem with expression of thoughts or emotions but I do have air of reservance about me. I can do small talk,but it is tedious. Saturn demand discipline and confidence. One of those placement that indeed make stage fears to life. If u keep on thinking u will go wrong u will. Stage rights r interpreted as fear of unknown,future,and when u come to do whatever u need to do,so ur fear reaches the moment of reality(present) u will get over it. Not true with H3 Saturn. U have to be in command. Many scientists have H3 Saturn;it is very similar to H9 Saturn.IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 07:13 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: I have H3 stellium,with Sag on the cusp. I am Gemini and Mercury dominant. Mercury and Neptune (part of H3) r accidentally in reception. Saturn is the closest to the cusp,conj Uranus. I am very old shcool in intelectual interests,philosophy,literature,religion. I can go very exactingly and profoudly into subject. I speak well. I have authority to my way of verbal expression. My Cappy Moon is in there also. I do.n't have problem with expression of thoughts or emotions but I do have air of reservance about me. I can do small talk,but it is tedious. Saturn demand discipline and confidence. One of those placement that indeed make stage fears to life. If u keep on thinking u will go wrong u will. Stage rights r interpreted as fear of unknown,future,and when u come to do whatever u need to do,so ur fear reaches the moment of reality(present) u will get over it. Not true with H3 Saturn. U have to be in command. Many scientists have H3 Saturn;it is very similar to H9 Saturn.
Thank you! I had to chuckle at the comment about small talk. I'm exactly like this. Find it tedious and most of what I speak seems to be "profound", I can't help it. I have no stage fright; I'm actually quite good in public speaking. (And yes I have a PhD in a science.) I'm Sag sun and Saturn forms an incojunct with my 10th house stellium of Sun (early Sag, 0 53' - Saturn at 4 degrees Taurus), Merc at 4 Sag and Nept at 29 Scorpio. So I'm not sure why I perceive a problem there.
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4395 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 08, 2011 07:23 AM
I also meant -stage rights- metaphorically; Many H3 Saturn have phychosomatic speech impediments- it's all in the head. They restrict themselves,sabotagage themselves. But,when u get a grip on it,it is fantastic,pretty much like every position evolved Saturn. IP: Logged |
anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 07:35 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: I also meant -stage rights- metaphorically; Many H3 Saturn have phychosomatic speech impediments- it's all in the head. They restrict themselves,sabotagage themselves. But,when u get a grip on it,it is fantastic,pretty much like every position evolved Saturn.
Oh I see! And how true (also in my case)!! I would be really interested in your take of Saturn 3rd house inconjunct to a 10th house stellium.
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VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4395 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 08, 2011 08:21 AM
I have only one inconjuction,Mars/Pluto. Maybe the way I see it is easy cuz Mars and Pluto r similar,and their positions r alike,both H2 Pluto and Dsc Mars can be narrowed down to same,forceful way of expressing confidence,through interaction,so I see inconjution as -either or- aspect but the great potential. Planets and signs so incompatible but somehow can be alike. It is not like with opposition when u usually stick with one planet and the other is just a pain in chart,but u really switch from one to another. I am always torn between Mars (noble,warrior like attitude) and Pluto (sneaky mafia). How to act? When I am in one 'mode' I hate the other. In ur case,H3 planet can only help any H10 prospect. But is it for progress sake or for the recognition. I want to do what I need to do (H3,most natural expression) or I do it because I feel it its my destiny/contributing to world/I want to be admired,respected (H10 Sun) I do feel there is a meeting point between planets in quincunx,but it is in a essence bit of compromise. But,does H10 Sun do compromise? Not really. So it is very subtle and savvy game of intergrating energies. Sextiles and trines to those planets certainly help.
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anongrl10 Knowflake Posts: 4557 From: Registered: Sep 2011
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posted November 08, 2011 08:30 AM
quote: Originally posted by VenusDiSirius: I have only one inconjuction,Mars/Pluto. Maybe the way I see it is easy cuz Mars and Pluto r similar,and their positions r alike,both H2 Pluto and Dsc Mars can be narrowed down to same,forceful way of expressing confidence,through interaction,so I see inconjution as -either or- aspect but the great potential. Planets and signs so incompatible but somehow can be alike. It is not like with opposition when u usually stick with one planet and the other is just a pain in chart,but u really switch from one to another. I am always torn between Mars (noble,warrior like attitude) and Pluto (sneaky mafia). How to act? When I am in one 'mode' I hate the other. In ur case,H3 planet can only help any H10 prospect. But is it for progress sake or for the recognition. I want to do what I need to do (H3,most natural expression) or I do it because I feel it its my destiny/contributing to world/I want to be admired,respected (H10 Sun) I do feel there is a meeting point between planets in quincunx,but it is in a essence bit of compromise. But,does H10 Sun do compromise? Not really. So it is very subtle and savvy game of intergrating energies. Sextiles and trines to those planets certainly help.
Laughed out loud at the Pluto="sneaky mafia" comment Yes, I think it's especially telling that Sat in the 3rd is in inconjunct with Merc in the 10th. It's interesting that My Sun (widely) opposes my Moon which is also in the 3rd house. So it seems if I take care of my 3rd house Seturn issues, I might also help with the 10th house Sun and the 3rd house Moon like a domino effect! It's an interplay. Not sure *exactly* what it is about. Just started feeling it. IP: Logged |
maira Knowflake Posts: 1027 From: Registered: Jun 2009
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posted November 08, 2011 08:34 AM
My vote goes to 12 house Saturn (I imagine that it's not easy having it in either of the water houses). I have this and it's conjunct ascendant - ah, the joys. When it returned, I couldn't see any reason whatsoever for me being alive. He's moving out of my 1st sometimes next year, after opposing my sun-ven-mars stellium. Looking forward to that. Can you tell I really hate Saturn? IP: Logged |
VenusDiSirius Knowflake Posts: 4395 From: Surfing Kite. Seriously. Registered: Aug 2010
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posted November 08, 2011 09:10 AM
tSaturn through H12.... Dear sweet lord it was cataclysm. One of my best friends has 2 degree Cappy Saturn,8 degree Asc.. plus,H1 Cappy Mars... she is a machine,in the most glorious ways.Anongrl,yes,interplay,well said! IP: Logged |