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Topic: The Charts of Sociopaths, Players and Child Molesters
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teasel
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posted November 21, 2011 04:58 PM
  
There's a difference between lacking empathy and thinking that someone should be able to handle things better (a lot of people out there seem to think that way, even when it comes to people losing spouses, children, parents - after a while), and a true sociopath who doesn't see anything wrong in hurting others, and using them for their own gain. They only seem to actually feel remorse, when it comes to being hurt themselves - to their own lies and actions catching up with them. IP: Logged |
scrappydog
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posted November 21, 2011 05:09 PM
Out of the three I know, only two came from a broken home/abuse situation. The other two were raised priveledge and indulged. They are both from wealthy families.
I have 3 or 4 books on sociopaths and they say that in america, more sociopaths are coming from priviledged, upper class homes than any other and many have never been abused.
The girl that I spoke of, I have known all my life. My dad is best friends with her grandparents who raised her. Her mother was a total sociopath and the grandparents raised her. She has never even known her sociopathis birth mother and she is Just like her in every way. She was loved and spoiled by the grandparents in everyway yet she lies, cheats, steals, prostitures, destroys everyones lives around her and she has NO guilt or shame for any of it, she just blames everyone else. She is constantly trying to manipulate and con everyone around her, she "runs games" on everyone and seems to think she is so smart and clever when she is not. Sociopaths often think they can "fool" everyone around them, the 3 I know are just like that.IP: Logged |
Betty Boop
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posted November 21, 2011 05:09 PM
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a true sociopath who doesn't see anything wrong in hurting others, and using them for their own gain. They only seem to actually feel remorse, when it comes to being hurt themselves - to their own lies and actions catching up with them.
That's him word for word  I'll post his chart later - I can't from this comp. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 05:16 PM
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I think this person might be a sociopath:Sun - Pisces
Moon - Pisces
Mercury - Aries
Venus - Aries Retro
Mars - Taurus opp Pluto - T-square Jupiter
Jupiter - Aquarius (singleton in air)
Yes, that T square would be a start lol Venus usually has issues, too. I forgot to mention that. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
There's a difference between lacking empathy and thinking that someone should be able to handle things better (a lot of people out there seem to think that way, even when it comes to people losing spouses, children, parents - after a while), and a true sociopath who doesn't see anything wrong in hurting others, and using them for their own gain. They only seem to actually feel remorse, when it comes to being hurt themselves - to their own lies and actions catching up with them.
TOTALLY!
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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 05:22 PM
Yes, the Moon and Venus are often afflicted, too. The moon is our most tender emotions. Venus is our love nature. The DEGREE is affliction to all these things is the degree to which one is a sociopath, I think. That has been my limited experience, any way.------------------
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nordicsoul
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posted November 21, 2011 06:04 PM
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Well, there are similarities. That is why I did. All have an afflicted Jupiter, the planet of conscience.
four your statistics, i know one socio.. and she her jupiter square mars. mars is in 8th house. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 06:11 PM
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four your statistics, i know one socio.. and she her jupiter square mars. mars is in 8th house.
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northernlad
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posted November 21, 2011 06:30 PM
What do you think of this chart?  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 06:31 PM
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iQ
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posted November 22, 2011 04:23 AM
Scrappy, good point.
Since I am "conspiracy minded", I would allege that the privileged classes fund the psychiatry syllabus to force the drivel that only kids from underprivileged classes who suffer abuse or torture will become psychopaths. Fact is most such kids try to become protectors.
A billionaire who organizes wars to arrange for more weapons sales is far more cold, psychotic and wicked than a spontaneous assaulter [one who may actually have misplaced neurons.]
The Mafia bosses in the triads kill or torture for sheer fun. Cults indirectly connected to Black Masonic Lodges routinely torture young girls from their own families. I have evidence. It is a ritual collection of Energy as far as they are concerned.NorthernLad:
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One dangerous aspect is Jupiter opposed Nessus exact.
There is far more "hard luck" in this chart than any serious sociopathy because Chart Ruler Moon is afflicted by Saturn in 5th. Aloofness/detachment is also high with Aquarius dominance. Mild sadistic tendency and chances of emotional insecurity are found when we have Cancer Rising and excess Aquarius with Sun in 7th. Sun in 7th is traditionally a weak placement. Had Dejanira been in 25 Capricorn, I would have said 75% chances of this chart being that of a sadistic sociopath. But as it is, less than 40% chance, unless provoked by very harsh Saturn Transits. There are sufficient good aspects [Neptune trine North Node, Mars in 5th, Urnaus sextile Venus ] to overcome evil. Interestingly, the psychopathic and sadistic rape-murder of ex-beauty queen Anita Cobby in Australia occurred around this time [It occurred on Feb 2, 1986. Dejanira was closer to quincunx Nessus, but also had the vile trigger of Moon in "accursed degree" 19 Scorpio conjunct Ixion in 20 Scorpio.].
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 22, 2011 06:47 AM
Hahaha My wife has a very busy 5th House, including Neptune and Ceres prominent.  . Her Neptune is Scorpio as well! Wait till I accuse her of being a "player". IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 22, 2011 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Hahaha My wife has a very busy 5th House, including Neptune and Ceres prominent. . Her Neptune is Scorpio as well! Wait till I accuse her of being a "player".
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YoursTrulyAlways
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posted November 22, 2011 08:32 AM
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Don't jump the gun
Hey, she was a dating machine when she was single.  So was I. Strangely, I don't have planets in my 5th House. IP: Logged |
malicefey
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posted November 22, 2011 09:42 AM
I don't have any planets in the 5th house, and at one point in my life I change guys faster than changing underwear. And what's worse, I've cheated before.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 22, 2011 10:51 AM
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I don't have any planets in the 5th house, and at one point in my life I change guys faster than changing underwear. And what's worse, I've cheated before.
Well, as an SAT question would say---All players have 5th house planets but not all people with planets in the 5th houses are players 
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amelia28
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posted November 22, 2011 12:08 PM
Ami..interesting thread! Its kind cool to discover you have a masters in counseling and to see this compassionate side that is friends and cares for sociopath.Even though the fact that your friend is trying sooo hard to be good in order to make her mother happy shows empathy I feel to at least some extent. I sociopath uses even their parents I feel. Sociopaths use everyone. IDK. What do you think? IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted November 22, 2011 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
Out of the three I know, only two came from a broken home/abuse situation. The other two were raised priveledge and indulged. They are both from wealthy families.
I have 3 or 4 books on sociopaths and they say that in america, more sociopaths are coming from priviledged, upper class homes than any other and many have never been abused.
The girl that I spoke of, I have known all my life. My dad is best friends with her grandparents who raised her. Her mother was a total sociopath and the grandparents raised her. She has never even known her sociopathis birth mother and she is Just like her in every way. She was loved and spoiled by the grandparents in everyway yet she lies, cheats, steals, prostitures, destroys everyones lives around her and she has NO guilt or shame for any of it, she just blames everyone else. She is constantly trying to manipulate and con everyone around her, she "runs games" on everyone and seems to think she is so smart and clever when she is not. Sociopaths often think they can "fool" everyone around them, the 3 I know are just like that.
I think that makes sense that sociopaths come more from really wealthy families. I think struggling and having a hard life would make one more empathetic.
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amelia28
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posted November 22, 2011 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by iQ:
Scrappy, good point.
Since I am "conspiracy minded", I would allege that the privileged classes fund the psychiatry syllabus to force the drivel that only kids from underprivileged classes who suffer abuse or torture will become psychopaths. Fact is most such kids try to become protectors.
A billionaire who organizes wars to arrange for more weapons sales is far more cold, psychotic and wicked than a spontaneous assaulter [one who may actually have misplaced neurons.]
The Mafia bosses in the triads kill or torture for sheer fun. Cults indirectly connected to Black Masonic Lodges routinely torture young girls from their own families. I have evidence. It is a ritual collection of Energy as far as they are concerned.
How cool IQ, I am into conspiracy theories too LOL..I Like to call it in search of the truth or looking beneath the surface instead of just buying what the media spits at us since the media has managed to attach a negative connotation to conspiracy theories in order to discredit the theories very conveniently IP: Logged |
amelia28
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posted November 22, 2011 12:30 PM
but I also see what lindisfirane says about certain experiences making one shut down to a significant extent emotionally. I feel she thinks she has shut down more than she actually has.This is indeed a fascinating topic. For what is worth I only have Juno in Aries in the 5th and Jupiter has the following aspects: Jupiter conjunct Uranus
Jupiter conjunct Ascendent I feel guilty about cheating on hubby but also very much feel that people should be able to have feelings for more than one person bc the heart is huge and we grow by interacting with others in a deep level. IDK is like I am going through something in my life right now for the first time (year 2011) were I am trying to figure out what my values are (NN in Taurus) and my values since I have ascendent conjunct uranus and moon in aqua and mercury retrograde in my vedic natal chart are going to be very unique and my own indeed. My values will not be a result of any conditioning what so ever. natal mercury retrograde questions everything!! and aqua influence tends to gravitate towards original think outside the box ideas. IP: Logged |
Jounia
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posted November 22, 2011 03:06 PM
Interesting thread!Are there any particular planets in the 5th house that would indicate a player? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 22, 2011 04:43 PM
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Originally posted by Jounia:
Interesting thread!Are there any particular planets in the 5th house that would indicate a player?
Yes, if you do House Rulers, ruler of the 7th, 8th,5th, 12th and/or 10th in the 5th seems to be dominant in a players chart. That would be cuz they take non player parts of life such as spirituality, soul love, soul sexuality, and what "should" be a committed relationship and put it in the house of "flingd", the 5th house.
This is my experience as a student, studying this stuff. I am not saying I am an expert lol
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Fondue Knight
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posted November 22, 2011 05:33 PM
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NorthernLad:
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One dangerous aspect is Jupiter opposed Nessus exact.
There is far more "hard luck" in this chart than any serious sociopathy because Chart Ruler Moon is afflicted by Saturn in 5th. Aloofness/detachment is also high with Aquarius dominance. Mild sadistic tendency and chances of emotional insecurity are found when we have Cancer Rising and excess Aquarius with Sun in 7th. Sun in 7th is traditionally a weak placement.Had Dejanira been in 25 Capricorn, I would have said 75% chances of this chart being that of a sadistic sociopath. But as it is, less than 40% chance, unless provoked by very harsh Saturn Transits. There are sufficient good aspects [Neptune trine North Node, Mars in 5th, Urnaus sextile Venus ] to overcome evil. Interestingly, the psychopathic and sadistic rape-murder of ex-beauty queen Anita Cobby in Australia occurred around this time [It occurred on Feb 2, 1986. Dejanira was closer to quincunx Nessus, but also had the vile trigger of Moon in "accursed degree" 19 Scorpio conjunct Ixion in 20 Scorpio.].
(My "northernlad" account got sucked into a black hole, so this is my new incarnation. ) That chart is actually for the day after that murder  The person who belongs to that chart is someone I've know for most of my life. She comes from an abusive household and is one of the most self-centered, selfish and self-serving people I've ever known. The AC might be off by a couple of degrees because the time was an estimate, but it's definitely in late Cancer. She is highly insecure so she overcompensates with showing others that she thinks she's the greatest thing since sliced bread. She uses people left and right. She'll be sweet as pie to your face if you're of some use to her, but behind your back she will trash talk you from here to Mexico. She's extremely witty, but intentionally mean. She's very sensitive to her own feelings, but has little to no regard for those of others. She will single someone out and berate them, all the while propping herself up. She cannot fathom the universe not revolving around her. Even in situations with extreme gravity, like a funeral, she will twist the situation to serve her needs. Once someone has proven to no longer be of use to her, she will completely cut them out of her life. She'll paint whomever she's cut out as the most despicable person ever. God forbid if you associate with someone who's been black listed --it's clearly a personal attack on her if you choose to associate with anyone she's deemed not worthy of her presence. I could go on... :lol: I do think somewhere deep down inside she does ultimately mean well, but she's got a very distorted view of reality and an extremely questionable moral compass. IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted November 22, 2011 05:59 PM
^ Interesting..there always seems to be something creepy/vile about people w.Pluto conj their SN. Then you have SN conj Pluto in Scorpio of all signs.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 22, 2011 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ Interesting..there always seems to be something creepy/vile about people w.Pluto conj their SN. Then you have SN conj Pluto in Scorpio of all signs.
My Aunt has it in Cancer in the 4th house. She isn't creepy, but maybe she is an exception 
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