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Topic: The Charts of Sociopaths, Players and Child Molesters
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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 09:20 AM
  
I know this seems like a strange topic. I bring it up because I am seeing that people are born with charts that COULD make them be a sociopath. I believe God is stronger than any chart and God can change any person. I want to say that. However, I have a female friend, whom I love, and she was born a sociopath. She was born with no empathy. She is devoted to her mother and sacrifices herself to make her mother proud, but she does not and has never had empathy. I am not gonna put most of these charts up due to privacy. I will put the child molester up, if I can figure out how to do the PB.Also, I have to fool around with the ASC first, as I think it way be off a few degrees.
I know this person very well, so feel I can do this. I don't want to discuss this particular issue, please.I would like to stay with the topic, at hand. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 09:23 AM
I will come back and write about what I have found from doing charts related to this topic. In the meantime, please share anything related. Thank you!------------------
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Venus
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posted November 21, 2011 09:39 AM
i find it strange and facinating that some people simply have no empathy! i wonder how it feels to be in her shoes! i always thought that sociopathy was the result of oppression or bad experiences. i was surprised when i found out that people are born that way!do sociopaths feel guilt? IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by Venus:
i find it strange and facinating that some people simply have no empathy! i wonder how it feels to be in her shoes! i always thought that sociopathy was the result of oppression or bad experiences. i was surprised when i found out that people are born that way!do sociopaths feel guilt?
No guilt and no shame. She seems to have a deep respect for emotions of others, though.
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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by Venus:
i find it strange and facinating that some people simply have no empathy! i wonder how it feels to be in her shoes! i always thought that sociopathy was the result of oppression or bad experiences. i was surprised when i found out that people are born that way!do sociopaths feel guilt?
I have my Masters in Counseling. Throughout my education, the nurture was always thought to be the reasons for various psychological conditions That is why I am so fascinated to explore the nature. I can see that you are, too, Venus. ------------------
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Still_Hopeful
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posted November 21, 2011 10:04 AM
Thanks Ami, This is fascinating topic
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VenusDiSirius
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posted November 21, 2011 10:49 AM
psychopaths - no empathy,emotions
sociopaths hate others and love themselves,simply put.I find it funny u put players in same basket with molestors and many other-paths  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
psychopaths - no empathy,emotions
sociopaths hate others and love themselves,simply put.I find it funny u put players in same basket with molestors and many other-paths
Well, there are similarities. That is why I did. All have an afflicted Jupiter, the planet of conscience.
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athenegoddess
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posted November 21, 2011 11:03 AM
Players?Hmm.. Hugh Hefner? Gene Simmons? lol.. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Players?Hmm.. Hugh Hefner? Gene Simmons? lol..
Yes, I am interested in players, as their charts have certain traits which show up, again and again. They have somewhat of an afflicted Jupiter, NOT as bad as the sociopath, it seems.
They have a full 5th house, the house of sex,fun and romance. Players have a nurturing aspects such as a tender water ASC such as Cancer or something like the asteroid Ceres, prominent. They need to have something which draws people to them. If they were too robotic, no one would be interested lol I want to add that I am, just, a student exploring things. I am not putting this up as an expert, in anything! ------------------
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iQ
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posted November 21, 2011 11:47 AM
The "practical" dark side of Psychopaths, Sociopaths and Players will have a dash of Nessus afflicting a personal planet or asteroid like Karma.Serial Killers though have a dominant Nessus and Ixion theme. Have never researched child molestors charts due to lack of data. A dozen charts of NAMBLA pervs and we can isolate the pattern. IP: Logged |
popcorn
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posted November 21, 2011 12:03 PM
Wow. So interesting but I think this on wrong forum. IP: Logged |
Mermaid
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posted November 21, 2011 12:10 PM
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Originally posted by Venus:
i find it strange and facinating that some people simply have no empathy! i wonder how it feels to be in her shoes! i always thought that sociopathy was the result of oppression or bad experiences. i was surprised when i found out that people are born that way!do sociopaths feel guilt?
Its absence of guilt that makes them unique.Their brains are wired differently and I have read that they cannot be treated by counselling. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
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posted November 21, 2011 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Mermaid:
Its absence of guilt that makes them unique.Their brains are wired differently and I have read that they cannot be treated by counselling.
The charts have hallmarks which makes for a fascinating discussion of nature vs nurture, which is what propelled me to do this thread.
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Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 12:23 PM
My fascination with this subject is due to people I know who fall under these categories I am trying to understand the reasons why they act as they do. I want to know if they can "help it". I know this is a complicated question with an even more complicated answer. The charts are the best thing, on earth, to use when trying to figure out such things, ime.------------------
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scrappydog
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posted November 21, 2011 12:38 PM
I know several sociopaths closely, I have two in my family. I feel too like they are born this way. One is incredibly destructive, of herself and others, she can do Anything and she doesnt only not feel bad, she is just not ashamed either. It never fails to amaze me, she should be so embarassed and yet she just blames everyone else no matter what she destroys, it is everyone elses fault.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by scrappydog:
I know several sociopaths closely, I have two in my family. I feel too like they are born this way. One is incredibly destructive, of herself and others, she can do Anything and she doesnt only not feel bad, she is just not ashamed either. It never fails to amaze me, she should be so embarassed and yet she just blames everyone else no matter what she destroys, it is everyone elses fault.
A true sociopath is not embarrassed. I think there are degrees of being a sociopath. I am wondering if the degree can be linked to HOW strong the sociopath astrological aspects are--the intensity of the sociopath traits. This seems to be the case. IOW, a strong sociopath chart will be a strong sociopath. A weak sociopath chart will be a "weaker" sociopath. I did not say this well, but I am sure you know what I mean. ------------------
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frankie2912
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posted November 21, 2011 01:15 PM
The man who molested my little sister when she was 8 and tried to molest me around the same time frame (I was like 10/11) but I elbowed that motherf*cker in his fatass gut. He ruined my sister's life. Don't know his birth time but his placements are...Sun - Gemini
Moon - Pisces
Mercury - Cancer
Venus - Cancer
Mars - Virgo
He was one of my dad's best friends and no one said anything until my sister was 16 and she just broke down after keeping in that secret for 8 years..although I kind of knew all along but was afraid to place blame..
and I'm not a sociopath but I swear if I met him in a dark alley I would beat his head in beyond recognition. but he has a really bad case of diabetes now, so i'll just settle for him dying a slow painful miserable death.
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teasel
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posted November 21, 2011 02:45 PM
If I could, I would give you the birth date of one who was in my life when I was a kid, but he had two different passports, so who knows when his real birthday is?IP: Logged |
lindisfarne
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From: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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posted November 21, 2011 02:49 PM
Wow. LOL you went all out today huh?
How did you go from Sociopathy (correct term is Anti-social personality disorder) to players to child molesters?IP: Logged |
lindisfarne
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posted November 21, 2011 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Venus:
i find it strange and facinating that some people simply have no empathy! i wonder how it feels to be in her shoes! i always thought that sociopathy was the result of oppression or bad experiences. i was surprised when i found out that people are born that way!do sociopaths feel guilt?
I do not believe sociopaths are born that way.
Nurture vs Nature debate once again. I believe they have the "genes" but these genes don't necessarily HAVE to be activated, thats where nurture comes into play, how they were raised, environment they were born into may or may NOT activate their sociopathic tendencies. For example I relate to a lot of "psychopaths" difficult childhood, being molested countless times, witnessing psychological abuse, etc. But I am not out there killing people.. But can you really blame these people for lacking empathy? Look at what they grew into? Their needs could not and were not being met as children, they robbed of their innocence and childhood in some ways, most often than not. They were taught feelings did not matter, they were not of importance. They had to learn to shut that side off, the traumatic events were activated in their brain and that is what leads them in their lives. Im not saying its an excuse to be terrible people. But lack of empathy is COMPLETELY normal given in the situations they grew up in. Heck, I grew up lacking empathy. I had to *learn* to be empathetic, i still am to be honest, I *still* have a hard tim putting myself into other people's shoes, even though I have experienced similar situations, It still doesn't register but its something I am working on. Its not easy though.
I can see both pros and cons to living a live lacking empathy, as well as living a life having empathy. Growing up I preferred to live a life without having empathy for others, it made things tremendously easy for me, not caring about outcomes, not caring about how others felt, just me myself and I. Until I realized how lonely it was for me and the devastating isolation it served.
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lindisfarne
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posted November 21, 2011 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
psychopaths - no empathy,emotions
sociopaths hate others and love themselves,simply put.I find it funny u put players in same basket with molestors and many other-paths
Psychopaths do have emotions. Happiness, excitement, are all emotions. Every human being has emotions. Yes even psychopaths. They feel something, even if it is not exactly what "normal" people feel.
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teasel
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posted November 21, 2011 03:01 PM
The guy I mentioned above, had a brother who wasn't a sociopath. This one manipulated *everyone*. His own mother admitted that he was an awful person, and that he hated his brother. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted November 21, 2011 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by lindisfarne:
I do not believe sociopaths are born that way.
Nurture vs Nature debate once again.I believe they have the "genes" but these genes don't necessarily HAVE to be activated, thats where nurture comes into play, how they were raised, environment they were born into may or may NOT activate their sociopathic tendencies. For example I relate to a lot of "psychopaths" difficult childhood, being molested countless times, witnessing psychological abuse, etc. But I am not out there killing people.. But can you really blame these people for lacking empathy? Look at what they grew into? Their needs could not and were not being met as children, they robbed of their innocence and childhood in some ways, most often than not. They were taught feelings did not matter, they were not of importance. They had to learn to shut that side off, the traumatic events were activated in their brain and that is what leads them in their lives. Im not saying its an excuse to be terrible people. But lack of empathy is COMPLETELY normal given in the situations they grew up in. Heck, I grew up lacking empathy. I had to *learn* to be empathetic, i still am to be honest, I *still* have a hard tim putting myself into other people's shoes, even though I have experienced similar situations, It still doesn't register but its something I am working on. Its not easy though.
I can see both pros and cons to living a live lacking empathy, as well as living a life having empathy. Growing up I preferred to live a life without having empathy for others, it made things tremendously easy for me, not caring about outcomes, not caring about how others felt, just me myself and I. Until I realized how lonely it was for me and the devastating isolation it served.
Yes, I hear you. What aspects do you have to your Jupiter? My working theory is that your conscience MUST be blunted, in the chart, for you to be a sociopath.
Please tell me everything that hits your Jupiter----easy and hard. My guess is that it is not super afflicted. ------------------
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Betty Boop
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posted November 21, 2011 04:43 PM
I think this person might be a sociopath:Sun - Pisces
Moon - Pisces
Mercury - Aries
Venus - Aries Retro
Mars - Taurus opp Pluto - T-square Jupiter
Jupiter - Aquarius (singleton in air) IP: Logged |
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